Funk Carioca ... classic or DUD

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Popular music style not having a set-in-stone nomenclature shocker. (xpost)

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I enjoy baile funk. Don't really care about Diplo too much and I don't go out to see indie hipsters DJ (why the hell would I?) so I've had far from an overdose of the genre. The shameless use of samples from the most un-hip sources ("Who let the dogs out?!") along with the co-opting of more credible music (apparently Marlboro put the hook to "Rock the Casbah" into a song without knowing what the source of the sample was) shows the indiscriminate and, I think, brilliantly utilitarian approach to musical creation that has as its one aim dancefloor fodder.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm by no means hating on the genre. to say that i am is to misconstrue what i said. i'm tired of the four or five tracks that everyone has and plays as their "funk carioca" set. most of it is from Diplo. i'm not disputing the importance of this music for a great number of people.

the techno:rock::hiphop:funkcarioca comment stung a bit, but it would have stung more if i was actually saying that i think funk carioca is shit. didn't say that, but i appreciate the contrast, and that's exactly why i wouldn't say "fuck funk carioca ... that shit's lame." never said that.

i am tired of certain tracks. very tired. and from what i've heard ... it seems to be a really specific format, and the tracks i am tired of most closely follow that format. electro beat, sample, verse vocals ... go!

you know i respect your opinion, and the opinion of others who like this genre, but i'm just frankly sick of hearing Diplo mix after Diplo mix being played at every club. i would feel the same if it were Gabriel Ananda or Gui Boratto.

so ... no hating here. just tired of seeing "Diplo Remix" after nearly every record I see or hear. although he is definately talented. i'm just oversaturated with it right now.

no hating here!

funk carioca? classic or dud ... eh ... too early to say. i think it's been overhyped (i.e. grime) in the states. we'll see.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always found funk carioca a little boring, to be honest, plus the vocals often get stuck in my head in a very irritating way. There are some good tracks. I also don't think Diplo's mixing skills are that great.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 4 March 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

but cameron, the very way you phrase the question sets it up to look like you're hating. which is it: "funk carioca, classic or dud" or "i'm tired of hearing the same five funk tracks get played out by diplo-biters everywhere i go." two very different issues.

honestly i'm shocked you're hearing it out at all; i've never heard funk played anywhere aside from specific funk performances (and those were at, uh, sonar).

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 4 March 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah ... Beauty Bar, Arrow Bar, Milk ... even the Rickshaw! also when I go downtown there are all of those fancy retail places with DJs, and they are always playing those tracks.

believe it or not, SF is even accumulating a techno scene.

the times they are a changin'

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

also, I went to Club 6 last night to see a free Mix Master Mike set, and the resident DJ was fucking tearing it up with dancehall and funk carioca. he was just ... disgusting. it was so much fun, and he managed to do it without one of the tracks i mentioned.

seeing it outside of white boy indie scenester nights was personally refreshing, and reinvigorating. much better to hear something that would get played by DJ Marlboro next to a Sean Paul remix than a fucking bullshit Bloc Party track.

totally not hating.

also, Philip, did you know that San Francisco has 2 reggaeton radio stations? they play funk about half of the time. And ... that shit is all over the Mission. Thankfully, and with good mix tapes for cheap.

like i said, not hating ... not trying to say i'm OG and this is my shit either, but not hating.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
baile funk - search and destroy

http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=14490#unread

so many threads...must get new Essay Records vol. 2 comp that Tim F. touted over at the sandbox

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Racism is not just an attribute of white people who shun contact with all non-white ... Check Stylus Magazine for my interview with Diplo of Hollertronix. ...

lmao

and what (ooo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

-- esoteric >>> rakim

lmao

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

lol

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The Beat Diaspora guy who went to Brazil and is now in Paris and Tunisia posted more stuff recently about his time in Brazil

beat diaspora http://beatdiaspora.blogspot.com/

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

funk carioca has been around since the 80s. only recently have hipsters made it their play toy

now that the well has begun to run dry all those hipsters are beginning to talk about is this Kuduro thing, which basically sounds the same to me from the tiny bit i've heard thus far

hipstertronica...

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, I think the second essay records comp shows some interesting developments - the music seems less poppy and more ravey than before. Lots of cut-up jitter riffs, and the beats are becoming quite complex. Hardly any of the tracks use a straightforward electro beat.

Is there a term of art for the curiously loping percussion loop used on most tracks? The one that sounds like trolls playing complex skip-rope games underground?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you asking about the samples (base beats) used in the majority of Funk?

http://www.discogs.com/release/98549

http://www.discogs.com/release/47708

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 5 January 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Probably! I'd have to listen to those to find out. It's the rhythm that sounds like a really heavy bongo pattern, rather than the basic electro beats.

It's like the Amen break of funk.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 5 January 2007 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The bongo thing is ouside of my expertise. I only know about the Bass/Electro portions. I'd be curious to know though.

BTW, I'm about 85% sure that the first song to sample Amen was 2 Live Crew's "Feel Alright Ya'll", to tie it all together.

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 5 January 2007 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

funk carioca has been around since the 80s. only recently have hipsters made it their play toy

now that the well has begun to run dry all those hipsters are beginning to talk about is this Kuduro thing, which basically sounds the same to me from the tiny bit i've heard thus far

hipstertronica...

The older I get, the more bored I get of this sort of posturing. If there's a trend of a certain kind of dance music that happens to get embraced by hipsters and played at all the parties, and it also happens to be fun to dance to, I say STFU and dance. That's why it was made, and I don't think Brazilian djs care whether white kids in Brooklyn are enjoying their music out of context, even if they all have big fat smug grins on their faces.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 5 January 2007 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree. I am curious about the second Essay Records comp, and do not really care whether Brooklyn hipsters have moved on to Angolan Kudoro African rave music or not.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Hilary

With your daft African poptechno
And that wine you call bull's blood

urge to check sandbox... must resist (fandango), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I say STFU and dance.

CLEARLY you ain't never parited w/ me...

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://beatdiaspora.blogspot.com/

Some interesting postings

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 November 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

That second Rio Baile Funk comp is still one of my top 5 discs this year. People should get on it.

Tim F, Monday, 12 November 2007 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link

That's been on my 'to buy' list. Need to finally get it.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

my friend saw a young favela boy show Diplo his "Wesley" and "Pentz" tattoos on his arms, respectively
good luck, brazil

old chisel (haitch), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

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