Blur: Classic Or Dud

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Biggest British pop band of the 90s? Are you sure? By what criteria?

Tim, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD! song two is one of the most iritating songs ever (next to the equally iritating Smells like teen spirit), they have jumped more musical band wagons than i can remember, and to top it all off they are responsible for the Gorillaz.

Nick Greenfield, Monday, 2 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I've knowingly heard maybe 5 Blur songs in my life: "Parklife" as a snippet on Beavis and Butthead, "Country House" because they used to play the video every once and awhile, "Girls and Boys" because they always play it at this one club called "Popscene" in San Francisco, though I have no idea whether I've ever heard the song "Popscene", "Tender", "Coffee and TV", which is one of the best singles of whatever year it came out, and "Music is My Radar" which is projectile gorilla shit. Oh yeah, and "Song 2", which I actually like. So I like maybe half of the ones I've heard. Nothing they do is as dull as the typical Oasis song, their "rivalry" being pretty much the only context in which I think of Blur.

Kris S., Monday, 2 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The last two albums have been loathsome, but much of the earlier stuff was quite pretty. 'Clover Over Dover', 'Yuko and Hiro', 'Blue Jeans' and others I've forgotten are still great songs, I think. That said, I have't really listened to any of them in ages. Maybe I should.

Ally C, Monday, 2 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

five months pass...
I'll say this, this thread has been very eye-opening. So fascinating, seeing all the cultural baggage that goes along with this band and their success. Someone said "All of a sudden it was cool to go in the park and feed the pigeons. You didn't have to sit in your room and slit your wrists to be cool." Interesting. Were there really kids in Britain who listened to Nirvana and suddenly became morose, and then when Blur hit the charts they suddenly perked up? Sounds quite odd, doesn't strike a chord with my adolescence. For me and my friends growing up (in the 90s), you liked the music you heard and disliked the music you heard, based on your own attitude and interests. Yes, there's an element of wanting to like what everyone else does; but I can't imagine us conforming our attitudes to match the current chart atmosphere.

As for me, a benighted American youth with almost no knowledge of British pop culture beyond a typical obsession with Black Adder, Red Dwarf and Monty Python -- I really like Blur. Their songs sound good to me. I like their (metaphorical) love affair with Syd Barrett, with Pink Floyd or solo. I think all their albums, except for the first (which I've not heard) are quite good, verging on great. "Tender," "It Could Be You," and "Coffee & TV" are particularly sublime, in my estimation.

BTW, what's "pomo" or "po-mo" ?

Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Po-mo = POstMOdern.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
REVIVE. I'm listening to all of my Blur material (all albums, singles box and rare track mp3's), so I dug up this little C/D thread.
In the light of the new album release & the exit of Graham Coxon, what are your current opinions on one of (IMHO) the greatest British bands of the 90's?

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Thursday, 29 May 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

Some classic singles, several dud albums. Go figure. Even in the hey day of Britpop, Different Class shat all over everything they were doing - politically, musically and lyrically. And when they went in their 'weird' direction with the self-titled 1997 LP I thought they were sooper-dud. And the new song stinks. It's not very good.

Calz (Calz), Thursday, 29 May 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

the britpop trilogy is their creative zenith. gets better with each album, great tunes, witty lyrics etc (although i agree with calum that damon doesn't touch jarvis as a wordsmith.)

apart from that: the debut is dog-food, the self-titled fifth is patchy, but with some good tunes. 13 was spoiled by orbit's over-elaborate production. the new one is a step back in the right direction, but not back to their best.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:42 (twenty years ago) link

I bought their singles box set back when it came out and have listened to it not once. I'm not sure what this says about my opinion of the band. I suspect it says I had more money than sense though.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

you'll get value for money out of it yet. play "for tomorrow" first, then through all the Modern life/Parklife/Great Escape singles. its great.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

"Sing" is nice.

Matt K, Friday, 30 May 2003 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

The new rekid is great. 13 is great. parklife is great. Blur (the rekid) was ok. they are pretty good actually. in fact still interesting after all that time makes me like them. Are they insufferable twats. probably but if thats a reason for not liking someones music then 98% of the music industry is in trouble.

gallantseagull, Friday, 30 May 2003 05:29 (twenty years ago) link

Some of their best tracks are buried as b-sides on singles. That's why the singles box is such a good buy, it has a full 4 albums of great rare songs, an entire live album (and a remix album, for those who care for it). So, ESOJ, don't dismiss it before taking a good listen to it, you might be surprised. Killian is OTM, and some of the Leisure b-sides (along with Popscene) are grate as well.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 30 May 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link

fair call. there are quite a few big bands that put amazing stuff out on their b-sides, Radiohead being a perfect example. Interestingly, Gay Dad's b-sides were good too..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 30 May 2003 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

I'm with JP, there are a slew of great B-sides on them singles. Up until the band decided to suck for a while.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 May 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

Until I hear of Blur writing a "Living Dead" or "My Insatiable One" I'll take Suede as the world's finest B-sides band everytime.

Calz (Calz), Friday, 30 May 2003 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

Ned is OTM. 90% of the real great Blur b-sides are from the first half of their career.
Suede has a great bunch of b-sides indeed, can't wait for Sci-fi Lullabies vol. 2...

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 30 May 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
know there's not a lot of love for this band on ILX, but has anybody revisited 13 lately? just listened to "caramel" for the first time in years and was struck by how superior it still seems to virtually everything i've been listening to lately.

no i haven't just been listening to crap, thanks snarkers.

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 5 January 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, "caramel" is probably my favorite song on 13. also, i'd like to know why "trailerpark" get's so much hate on ILM.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 5 January 2006 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep saying that "13" was Blur making their "Kid A" before Radiohead made theirs, but nobody agrees with me.

("13" >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Kid A", obv.)

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 5 January 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm... not a whole lot of love for 13 - there's a good four or five songs on there, but a whole heap of bad ones. Also, can't stand "Tender" - an eternity of tedium.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 January 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"Optigan 1" and "Coffee and T.V." are the two best songs on 13.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i dread a point when "battle" wont completely destroy me.

i wish mr coxon would get back to some of the guitar work he was up to at that point...

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"Caramel" and "Bugman" are beyond fabulous.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Bugman is fucking great. So are Coffee & TV and Swampsong. After that it gets a bit sprawling - everything goes on twice as long as it needs to and outstays its welcome. Mellow Song, Battle and Trailerpark would be fantastic if someone chopped a couple of minutes off of them.

Blur are probably the most consistent guitar band of the last decade (or fifteen years, whatever).

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah, they still suck. I prefer Pavement.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you really Graham Coxon, behind that pseudonym?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Battle, Trimm Trabb, Coffee & TV, Mellow Song, Caramel, and I think that's about it. Most of the rest of 13 can swivel.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic from 1993-95. Then, gradually less classic and close to dud lately.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 January 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago) link

How could you not like Bugman, doglatin?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Friday, 6 January 2006 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Beetle Bum makes me cum...

Leeroy, Saturday, 7 January 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Bugman? They'd done that song already, but better about a million times before. It's really annoying. Next you're going to be defending BLUREMI!

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Saturday, 7 January 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Still my favorite band, ever.
Geir, I can't believe you don't like "Sweet Song" it seems right up your alley. It's also been my favorite Blur song since I first heard it. I got the CD in the mail on its release date, and I distinctly remember standing in front of my stereo- which is on my windowsill, facing west- and listening to that song. It goes very nicely with gorgeous evening light over Elliott Bay. I also feel like it pairs with "Sunset Coming On" - like it's that song again, only even prettier.

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

13 is the one that I keep coming back to. even if it has the odd weak spot like most of their albums, it seems to hang together really well whereas I only seem to listen to a handful of tracks from the other albums nowadays.

in my high school anglophile days I would've said classic without hesitation. now? well, more on the C than the D side. at least the good tunes still slay most of the other britpop awfulness.

pompe vers le haut du volume (haitch), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

word

noizem duke (noize duke), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link

The amount of praise for *anything* after 1995 from Blur terrifies me. Think Tank was the best of the lot for a very simple reason -- Coxon finally went away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

like old yeller?

pompe vers le haut du volume (haitch), Saturday, 7 January 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Love all the albums except "Think Tank". OK, "13" is far too long, but still there are a few good tracks on it. One of the best band of the 90s, without question.

1. Parklife
2. Modern Life Is Rubbish
3. The Great Escape
4. Blur
5. 13
6. Leisure
...
Think Tank

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 7 January 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Next you're going to be defending BLUREMI!

No, I won't.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Saturday, 7 January 2006 10:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and BLUREMI is great.

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 7 January 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Think Tank was wonderful -- few weak tracks like "Jet" but so it goes

Hey Wogan Lenin, name one time Blur did Bugman "already, but better about a million times before"

Thanks.

marc h. (marc h.), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The "too long" criticism always strikes me as something a pop-blur fan would say about an album that clearly sounds best under the influence. And not to get all high-school metaphorical, but I've always thought that the length of Tender works especially well, since it comes across as Damon trying way to hard to postpone the breakdown that follows.

For kind of obvious reasons, this album pairs nicely (shuffled or played back-to-back) with M's Ray of Light.

dlp9001, Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Wogan Lenin, name one time Blur did Bugman "already, but better about a million times before"

Movin On, No Monsters In Me, Come Together, Song 2, Coping, London Loves, Globe Alone, Chinese Bombs...

Actually, I'm listening to it again and it's a bit better than I remembered it. I always filed it under "token Blur-go-noisey" track. BLUREMI is the worst (x) offender though.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Saturday, 7 January 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Come Together and Globe Alone over Bugman? Come on now.

Classic of course. My opinion on their albums is that they're all roughly the same quality(except Leisure, which is shit apart from 2 songs). They've never made a perfect 5 star masterpiece, and the fact that they don't seem to be trying for it is a huge part of the appeal to me. It's like they approached every record like it was their White Album.

Here is as good a place as any to post this. Alex on the new album:

I haven't seen any of Blur very much this year. I did run into Damon on
the Portobello Road last month. He was doing wheelies on his BMX. Graham
I bumped into in The Groucho Club the month before, with his new gang. He
has motorbikes now. He used to like skateboards. He didn't turn up to the
studio this week, despite telling the Rabbi he would. Dave, who is an
aeroplane man, I've seen once this year, at Buckingham Palace. Times have
changed. Dave got the Rabbi involved to smooth things out with Graham and
the three of us. Lawyers had tried, but they are the worst people to
resolve arguments. The Rabbi got us all together and found the love in
the room. He was immense. He just wanted us to be friends again. It
nearly happened, but I think this record is going to be just the three of
us. It's a shame. I'd like to show Graham my tractor.


We'd had a couple of jams over the summer in a rehearsal joint called The
Premises on the Hackney Road. We used to go there, all together by bus,
before we had a record deal. There's an agreeable whiff of big-beard jazz
and 'JCB Song' about The Premises. It's oddball muso heaven. The café has
all the clients' press photos on the walls, and no one has drawn funny
beards on them. The menu has gone caffè latte-pain au chocolat since the
80s, and no longer features eggy specials. We used to like those. I think
Dave may have been briefly involved with the eggy-specials lady, but
she's long gone.


The management were keen for us to use their new, big, posh flagship
studio. They said we wouldn't have to pay for it. We wanted to be in one
of the little cells, like before, though. We rocked our socks off and
recorded everything on a cassette through one microphone. 'Cassette' is
practically a swearword these days. Never say 'cassette' to a sound
engineer. They can't handle it. I'm not sure where we're heading with
digital clarity and bit resolution. The nastiness of cheap, loud pop
music is often part of its appeal. Safe to say, the music of the
revolution will not be in 5.1 digital surround sound. In Studio 2, the
leads were noisy, the drum kit was junk, the vocals were going through a
nasty guitar amp, and the bass and guitar were turned up to 10. Producers
aren't comfortable with things on 10. They like eight.


Anyway, it was all wrong, except that when we listened to the tapes last
week, it sounded brilliant. We tried re-recording the first track with
posh mics, preamps and vintage compressors, but it sounded a bit polite
compared with the 50 quid's worth of gear in Hackney. What the hell?
We're going to be working with the Hackney Vibe. It rocks!


I guess we're back in business. The Foo Fighters are going to wet their
pants when they hear this stuff, and they've just built a huge studio.
But everyone's buying old gear now " new's seen as a bit semi-pro. I
think crap equipment could become fashionable next. Thing is, if you've
got a good tune, you can whistle it in the bath and it'll catch on.

jason., Saturday, 7 January 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, I can't believe you don't like "Sweet Song" it seems right up your alley. It's also been my favorite Blur song since I first heard it.

I still like the odd track on their albums. For instance, I really liked "Coffee And TV". None of them ones on "Think Tank" stick out in particular, on the other hand, the worst tracks aren't as awful as the worst ones on "13" and even "Blur".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 7 January 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, No Distance Left Run could make 13 for me. One of the sadest songs ever. I like that about Damon, the way he can show that sad, sad, melancholic, miserable feeling. Another good example is Out Of Time.

elgolfo (elgolfo), Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

wait a second....he doesn't say anything about the new album in that.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I do love Country Sad Ballad Man - underrated IMHO. And the Cornelius mix of Tender is much, much better than the original.

Mippy (Mippy), Sunday, 8 January 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Country Sad should have been a single instead of MOR.

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Sunday, 8 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

don't worry imago we were planning to erect a statue of you itt. i have the top ascii artists in the country working on it as we speak.

all this time I thought you were British (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 27 July 2023 20:47 (eight months ago) link

I hope the names of every Blur album actual sentient humans posting itt think this new one is better than are incorporated into said ascii statue

imago, Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:09 (eight months ago) link

the great escape has a few great highlights but is mostly them running out of steam & at their most annoying, so i never want to listen to it

ufo, Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:19 (eight months ago) link

It’s one of the most depressing albums I’ve ever heard, can’t say I ever really enjoyed listening to it but that has nothing to do with its quality.

brimstead, Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:25 (eight months ago) link

(the great escape)

brimstead, Thursday, 27 July 2023 21:25 (eight months ago) link

Deflatormouse OTM about TOPMAN. It is absolutely that album's "eye of the duck"

Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Thursday, 3 August 2023 23:07 (eight months ago) link

The Great Escape always reminded me of something like Seven & the Ragged Tiger. Eye of the storm kind of records.
Very confident, but with more than a touch of hysteria beneath the surface, production tarted up to make up for the dip in song quality.
Overcooked... and interesting on occasion.

mr.raffles, Friday, 4 August 2023 14:51 (eight months ago) link

i like this album a lot! it's made me go back and listen to all of Blur's catalogue, which TBH I was not overly familiar with outside of the debut, s/t, and 13.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 4 August 2023 15:34 (eight months ago) link

https://tapenotes.co.uk/project/tn119-blur-james-ford

MaresNest, Friday, 4 August 2023 23:58 (eight months ago) link

^ Podcast about the making of the new rekkid.

MaresNest, Friday, 4 August 2023 23:58 (eight months ago) link

i love the great escape :)

but i am a miserable person

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 5 August 2023 05:02 (eight months ago) link

blur discog run revealed to me yet again that i only really love s/t, 13, and think tank, but i do have some nostalgic affection for great escape bc it was my first blur record, also any album with “the universal” + a bunch of garbage would be significant, and it’s more than that

ivy., Saturday, 5 August 2023 05:17 (eight months ago) link

I'm in the same boat, Blur up to TGE is a little repertory, a little camp, a little cheeky. And then Graeme decided he'd like to be in Pavement and so the albums became chaotic, dissonant and melancholy in response, which is much more interesting for me, and makes the pop jewels shine brighter.
I'm loving The Ballad of Darren, those folks calling it "subdued" need their heads read. "Barbaric" is one of those chord progressions which feel timeless, as if written in the fabric of music.

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 5 August 2023 08:26 (eight months ago) link

Thanks for the podcast link - really enjoyed it. The amount of media work that the band has done to promote this record is phenomenal.

Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Saturday, 5 August 2023 08:48 (eight months ago) link

“ And then Graeme decided he'd like to be in Pavement and so the albums became chaotic, dissonant and melancholy in response, which is much more interesting for me, and makes the pop jewels shine brighter.”

This is when I started to care about Blur

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 5 August 2023 11:11 (eight months ago) link

After being initially nonplussed by it, Darren is now comfortably slotting into my #3 Blur spot behind s/t and 13. How many comeback records are as good as this?

Davey D, Saturday, 5 August 2023 16:12 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

Spotify Wrapped just reminded me that Blur released an album this year lol. It would be interesting to see how listening figures went for this because I must have played it so much in the week it came out that it pushed Blur into my top 2 most played artists, only to never be played again

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 20:51 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/blur-add-ca-headlining-show-with-jockstrap-ahead-of-coachella/

I might have to go to this.

Bee OK, Friday, 23 February 2024 04:22 (one month ago) link

My wife was looking at it…

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Friday, 23 February 2024 04:24 (one month ago) link

I saw Blur with Pulp and they both were so good live, the 90s ruled.

Bee OK, Friday, 23 February 2024 04:25 (one month ago) link

Ugh, so jealous. One of my biggest regrets was missing out on a ticket to perhaps my best chance to see Blur. They did a one-off show at the relatively intimate Brooklyn Bowl, which was a 15 minute walk from my apartment. ARRRRGH.

birdistheword, Friday, 23 February 2024 19:48 (one month ago) link

I forgot tickets went on sale today, I checked in two hours later and it was sold out.

Bee OK, Saturday, 2 March 2024 00:26 (one month ago) link

My wife got two pit tix. She plans to take our son, for his first concert experience…

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2024 00:53 (one month ago) link

The show more or less sold out in minutes. Pit tickets were priced at $125 plus fees but quickly shot up to $400, $550, and then $600 per ticket (plus fees) via "AXS Premium" (the equivalent of Ticketmaster's Platinum). Later some single loge seats popped up for around $550 each, plus fees.

Unreal.

DT, Saturday, 2 March 2024 06:33 (one month ago) link

Wow… sounds like she lucked out

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Saturday, 2 March 2024 07:35 (one month ago) link

That's awesome morrisp, they should have a blast.

Bee OK, Saturday, 2 March 2024 21:32 (one month ago) link

Watched the entire Brit awards thinking they were perfoming ;/

PaulTMA, Saturday, 2 March 2024 23:48 (one month ago) link


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