Curve: C or D?

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That's Toni singing the chorus of "Heaven Knows" by Robert Plant, btw.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

...which farkin' ROXORZ, incidentally.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Hah, I never realized that! Makes sense, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

How many of you have heard their most recent album, "Gift" (2002). It was alluded to in the original thread, but not much was said.
It's a patchy record, but the good stuff is awesome. They dumped the electronic Garbage-y (pun intended) direction of "Come Clean" and returned to something closer to their early days, except louder, more chaotic, and with Kevin Shields guesting on guitar.
For me, "Perish" has overtaken "Coast is Clear" as the best Curve song ever.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

with Kevin Shields guesting on guitar

Hold the phazizzlone, I didn't know that.

I haven't picked up anything of theirs after Come Clean (and sold same to SecondSpin.Com, actually). I'll stick with their early stuff, but Gift does now sound promising.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

He plays on about three tracks. As you'd expect, these are three of the best tracks on the album.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh, what Barry sez.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sure I posted this somewhere on ILM before, but I once ran into Debbie (Curve/Echobelly guitarist) working at the Record Exchange near the Notting Hill Gate tube stop in London. "Hey, yer Debbie from Curve!" I exclaimed. Yeah, she was thrilled to reminded of that, lemme tell ya.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Next time you see her, yell "hey, yer Debbie from Echobelly!" and see if there's any difference.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(side note: it was quite upsetting when we heard that Debbie was leaving an awesome band like Curve to play for friggin ECHOBELLY. I still don't understand what she saw in that band. Her look, her animated style of playing (i.e. she's a RAWK CHIK who kicks ass and takes names later, and I mean that in the most complimentary way possible) fit perfectly with Curve, and was completely out of place with Echobelly)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Agreed, Barry.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(wait, if I remember correctly, she left Curve around Cuckoo, so she must have known that Dean and Toni were about to "break up" Curve indefinitely, so you can't blame her for wanting to leave. Just wish she could have ended up with a better band than Echobelly)

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

But, y'know, maybe she thought Sonya was hotter than Toni (and she is, btw).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, but Sonya was cute until she opened her mouth, whereas Toni became sexier when she spoke.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

[It's what came out of their mouths, not the sounds of their voices that I'm referring to]

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Gift" is the album I've got around here somewhere, which I bought specifically because of the Shields tracks on it - the good stuff is good, the off stuff isn't really that awful just pale by comparison & so on.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I heart Alex In NYC for reviving this thread.

Curve are stone cold CLASSIC.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

So, they have a compilation due out soon. Here's the tracklist (from http://www.curve.co.uk/discography/wayofcurve.html)

CD 1 The Way Of Curve

1 Ten Little Girls
2 Coast Is Clear
3 Clipped
4 Die Like A Dog
5 Horror Head
6 Fait Accompli
7 Missing Link
8 Superblaster
9 Pink Girl With The Blues
10 Recovery
11 Chinese Burn
12 Coming Up Roses
13 Hell Above Water
14 Want More Need Less
15 Perish
16 Nice and Easy

CD 2 Rare and unreleased

1 On The Wheel
2 Triumph
3 Arms Out
4 Sigh
5 Mission From God
6 Today Is Not The Day
7 Low And Behold
8 Nothing Without Me
9 What A Waste with Ian Dury
10 Falling Free Aphex Twin mix
11 Chinese Burn Lunatic Calm mix
12 Coming Up Roses Kevin Shields Mix
13 I Feel Love
14 In Disguise
15 Sinner

Good choices? Bad choices? I've only heard one or two Curve tracks ever, and I don't even remember what they were.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty much a straightforward singles comp up until the end on the first disc, in that I'm not too sure if they've really released singles as such in the past couple of years. The Aphex mix is on his own remix comp, however the Ian Dury and Donna Summer covers are both pretty keen. The reappearance of "On the Wheel," "Mission From God" and "Today Is Not the Day" is long overdue and goddamn welcome. Most of the early B-sides from 1991 aren't included (thankfully "Die Like a Dog" is, my own personal anthem of agnosticism/atheism) but if you can find Pubic Fruit that will cover them completely, though replicating the first three tracks on the first disc. Also, the cover of "Overground" would have been nice in place of the Aphex mix. So those caveats aside, in sum, pretty good as a starter kit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, very informative!

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 7 May 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

You ilxors are overwhelming me. Here's yet ANOTHER band I should probably re-investigate just for fun. I was crazy about their first 2 EP's when they came out, and saw them live in England in '91. "Cherry" was somewhat of a disappointment, and when Doppelganger came out, I found it pretty stale and overdone. Anyway, I stopped paying attention until I heard "Perish" on the radio and bought Gift. But as a whole album, it left a lot to be desired and I think I sold it. Anyway, about 2 years ago I found a used copy of "Pubic Fruit" in L.A. and was really happy because I had sold the original EP's awhile back when I needed money and thought they wouldn't be so important to me later. I was surprised to find I still loved the old Curve stuff, more than I expected. I kept a promo CD I had of a few tracks off Gift, including "Perish". I think I'll play that now. That song is really incredible.

I didn't realize Kevin Shields was on Gift, either.

bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

That's really similar to my experience, bimble. I had the first two ep's on a mix tape (which I played to death), but wasn't as hot on "Cherry", and the songs on "Doppelganger" all sounded the same (more so than usual for Curve).
Cuckoo was a more restrained effort, having toned down the "100% volume all the time" in favour of some NON-grunge soft/loud dynamics. Great album, but their time as indie darlings had passed and it was ignored (search : both blackerthreetracker singles -- *awesome* stuff, courtesy of remixes by NIN and FSOL (when they were still good) and "On the Wheel", which begins with the best opening 90 seconds of any song in their career. The remaining 210 seconds couldn't hope to match up, but it's still a great song overall).
I heard "Come Clean" a couple of times in 1997 but it sounded like just another rock band trying to strike a hip electronica pose (although I don't feel that way about it today).
Then I was brought back to the fold via that very "Gift" promo CD, which contains the best three tracks on the album.
I believe there was another Curve CD quietly released around 1998, and at least one Dean Garcia solo record too, which I haven't heard (they were only available via expensive import from the band's website).
I am so listening to the first 20 minutes of "Gift" before the day is over.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, and you are right that the promo CD seemed to have the best tracks from Gift. Also, I wanted to say that I distinctly recall someone DJing and playing something from the Horror Head single: a b-side? I asked the DJ about it and he had said it was like the best Curve song in his opinion. It was really amazing and I never followed up on it. Must do that (writes it down with the rest of things I 'must follow up on' due to all you relentless ilxors)

bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

If it was a "Horror Head" B-side and was MBV-noise turned into scalpel/steel raining down from the heights horrorbeautyterror with moaning backing vocals, "Mission From God." If slow, beautiful, unfolding, powerful, a better cousin to "Sandpit," "Today is Not the Day."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 May 2004 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm glad everyone likes Curve. They're an eternal CLASSIC for me, even though I don't put them on much anymore. They were one of the first bands I really collected as a teenager, getting OOP singles sent my mail from the UK, searching for 12"'s etc.

The first EPs were absolutely classic. Doppelganger just took that sound and spread it, rather thinly, over an album, though 'Ice That Melts the Tips', 'Already Yours', and 'Think and Act' are standout album tracks. Cuckoo is where it's at for me. The album is well-sequenced too, building up to a great finish. It's the best heavy wall of goutar album I know from that period, but there's tons of variety throughout at the same time. Come Clean worked out for me, though it's the one I listen to least. I think it sounds louder and dirtier than most of the 'rock band goes electronic' albums, and besides, they were using samplers and drum machines from day one; the technology just got a lot more sophisticated in their downtime.

SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH the 'Coming Up Roses' B-sides: 'Habit and 'Midnight and Royal'. They're some of the best material from that period. Really tense and spooky without relying on conventional big guitars or noise.
I like Gift a lot, esp. the Shields tracks plus 'My Tiled White Floor'. There was very solid material on their internet-only album in 2000, Open Day at the Hatefest, but nothing really standout. I'll probably track down the new compilation, though there are only a couple of tracks I don't have in hard form. I think they got Flat Earth back for the cover, which is good.

Oh yeah; Cuckoo had a wonderful sleeve, as did the surrounding EPs. Only the Come Clean sleeve wasn't wholly interesting.

trivia: Debbie Smith last appeared playing with Luke Sutherland in Bows, which is such an improvement over Echobelly or the totally dire Snowpony. I'm going to go revive a Bows thread now.

xpost: Ned, yes oh yes Mission From God is glorious.

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:00 (nineteen years ago) link

when i saw curve toni had terrible shoes. then i saw them on devil's night on detroit with spiritualized and jamc and her shoes were worse. that was a great night, all the way down woodward without stopping for a single red light until i hit maple.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, the curse of bad shoes. I always say when your favorite artist starts wearing bad shoes, you know it's over right then and there.

bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Gift is just OK and very much in line with the formula, so it really depends how much more Curve material you need. The Kevin Shields tracks are nothing to write home about either.
I guess I would have loved this if it was the first thing I heard bythem.

Ned, what is this cover of Overground you speak of? You mean the Siouxsie track? I def. should check that out

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What was terrible about her shoes? If I'm mistaken, when I saw Curve, she was wearing brothel-creepers....and a bad denim jacket with the collar up.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Funnily enough my views on Curve and Garbage are the opposite to Dr C - I love both at them at their most glossy and gleaming (Cuckoo and 2.0 respectively), precisely because they're so mechanically pristine.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 8 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

That horrible gauzy early 90's production which Curve used is a horrible device used in the main by bands seeking to conceal their inability to come up with dynamics, structure or melodies. Strip it away and it would reveal.....nothing.

This is deeply ludicrous, of course. The thing that initially attracted me to Curve was the juxtaposition of Toni's great melodic lines against the feedback/dance beat. Plus there are always those huge bass lines...

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 May 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Plus there are always those huge bass lines...

Damn right.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll 3rd that.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, the curse of bad shoes. I always say when your favorite artist starts wearing bad shoes, you know it's over right then and there.

this is true. live they seemed pretty dull, it was all a bit thick and blurry. their love for swervedriver was always offputting too.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 May 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
This just in....CURVE HAVE OFFICIALLY SPLIT!


http://www.curve.co.uk/news.htm

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

How is this any different from their mid-90's split?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe they mean it this time?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

God this is harder than when Bonk split.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Well, it certainly reads like Toni split.

So, speaking of Curve, is there any way to get all those recent (and out of print) EPs besides sending a check to Dean?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
For me, "Perish" has overtaken "Coast is Clear" as the best Curve song ever.

"Perish" is beyond awesome. It's also the saddest noise-rock track ever.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 April 2005 07:37 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
you know a recent trip to theother side of the country meant i went on the obligatory prowl for Nasty Rox Inc's cd version of CA$H ( a personal quest whenever i visit a new place), instead i came away with cd copy of Doppelganger, an album which i never heard when released, despite the fact that i loved the first 2 ep's, i just assumed the album comprised of all the tracks from the eps - double fucking doh on my behalf! and i probably wasn't doing the noise thing in 92 ..

anyways .. i definitely side on the CLASSIC. that cold hearted drum machine pounding away while the noise shreds the paintwork and toni does her echoed goth thing is just wonderful and fits in perfectly with my current moods.

but more to the point .. did all cd copies of the album come with doubled up inner sleeves as a spin off from the album name .. or is that just me being a little too nerdy ?

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It's you, but we love you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

WILD. My copy had two cd sleeves, too, but I've always assumed it was a manufacturing error. Never thought it might have been intentional, based on the album title. Interesting.

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

ah ha !!

its not just me .. (have images of ilmers dashing off to archives to check .. )

but ta for the love anyways ned .. backatcha gorgeous.


mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

mine did too.

and I can walk out into the world, singing with my people (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link


aint ILM the best when something like this is 'exposed'. fantastic.

13 years after the albums release we all finally get the bands 'joke'.

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't recall there being two sleeves in my version at all! I conclude therefore you are all freaks. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

My copy doesn't have two sleeves. I feel left out...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Now that u mention it I think mine did too! I remember getting the cover signed by the band and not feeling bad about "ruining" the artwork (i'm anal that way) because of that!

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW Mark E - the first three EPs were collected on an album called Pubic Fruit, along with the "extended extended extended" version of Fait Accompli!


(I also have not yet gotten around to getting Doppelganger, cos I've got both the above and - rather later - the Radio Sessions comp. It's quite nice knowing that at sometime in the future I've still got "new" early Curve to listen to...)

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Another one from that playback tv appearance just popped up -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwbx6GLq6o

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link

still can't decide whether there is anything being played live on these videos and if not why the band seem so engaged

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link

It's all playback

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:37 (four years ago) link

Like the last one, this one seems all pre-recorded, the album version. Though yeah, the band is fake playing its heart out.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link

It's just kinda cool to watch them swaying about, they were always a pretty good looking band.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 9 January 2020 10:24 (four years ago) link

I dunno if any of you have ever watched this dude, but he's a totally square yet knowledgable and enthusiastic old nerd who breaks down music theory and whatnot. Anyway, out of nowhere, he included Curve is his list of the top 20 rock bass sounds of all time. #18, around the 30 minute mark!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0P5isBr7uw

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link

Nice, I like Rick's videos, his son Dylan has perfect pitch, the clips of him calling out the names and notes of gnarly cluster piano chords are amazing.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VZcW7JCpCU

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:31 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

New Toni H. EP is totally unexpected and totally awesome

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 28 March 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link

Well I trust you're going to link this!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 28 March 2021 16:43 (three years ago) link

Streamable on your favorite platform and downloads here:
https://www.junodownload.com/artists/Toni+Halliday/tracks/

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 28 March 2021 17:10 (three years ago) link

that's a timely revive.. i've been going through my old CDs and ripping ones that are missing from my digital collection and just hit the "C"s โ€“ was literally just wondering how Curve was going to hold up

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 28 March 2021 22:49 (three years ago) link

They hold up really really well! Also, mysteriously absent from Amazon's streaming service.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 March 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link

But thankfully fully on Bandcamp, including a slew of rarity comps.

https://curve.bandcamp.com/music

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 March 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link

Wow, what's all that "bootleg series" stuff?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 March 2021 03:49 (three years ago) link

A lot of it is mixes and various elements of final tracks -- Garcia breaks each entry down thoroughly in the liners.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 March 2021 04:34 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

happy 30th to cuckoo

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:09 (six months ago) link

Claaaaaaaasssssssssic (imagine this word said with tons of fuzz and overdrive and reverb and flanger and the like)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:19 (six months ago) link

I wish I knew what the mad vocal sample at the start of Clipped is all about, I've been wondering that for 30+ years.

MaresNest, Thursday, 21 September 2023 22:41 (six months ago) link

That Cuckoo tour was a hell of a thing to experience.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2023 23:00 (six months ago) link

xp the absolute zenith of Curve for me (shout out to โ€œTurkey Crossingโ€) - I remember Cherry coming out and thinking, well, this hits every mark dead-on.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 01:05 (six months ago) link

also Cuckoo is their best album by an order of magnitude

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 01:08 (six months ago) link

To each his own. Never much cared for Cuckoo despite some good moments. But then again all their albums were flawed. Pubic Fruit all the way

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 22 September 2023 05:44 (six months ago) link

well yeah the EPs were the real high point.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 22 September 2023 09:48 (six months ago) link

Curve is one of those bands where I kinda liked them, picked up Cuckoo at a record store on a whim, it became one of my favorite albums of all time, and I never really bothered finding any of their other music. Now, my curiosity is piqued and I'm finally listening to the E.P.s that comprised Pubic Fruit after all these years. Might be doing some Bandcamping today.

beard papa, Friday, 22 September 2023 16:51 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Physical box set coming in February:

Unreadable Communication: Anxious Recordings 1991-1993

The two albums, four EPs, some remixes and some live stuff. Does not include Peel Sessions, which are supposed to be very good.

I'm not a fan, but if you want remastered CDs, here you go.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 2 December 2023 18:52 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

so, remember this from a while back :

"but more to the point .. did all cd copies of the album come with doubled up inner sleeves as a spin off from the album name .. or is that just me being a little too nerdy ?

โ€• mark e (mark e), Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:53 PM (eighteen years ago)
"

well, a twitter account posted this weekend re the album, so i asked the question re the doubling up.

and look what happened :


๐˜พ๐™๐™๐™‘๐™€
liked your reply
question : was i only the person who bought this on cd to find the inner booklet doubled up ?
i assumed it was a play on the album name ..

!!!

mark e, Saturday, 9 March 2024 19:16 (one month ago) link


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