"this thread"
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link
See, I can't even see the case for this when it comes to Moving Pictures (especially if someone starts by saying they favour Jethro Tull and ELP). Every song on it seems very clearly to me to be highly crafted, with solos, fills etc only functioning as parts of the overall song structure and all of them very tuneful, precise, and easy to follow. I think "Red Barchetta" is great song(qua song)writing in particular.
And I've said it before but I really think side 2 of Caress of Steel is one of the most remarkable things they've done. I don't know that I've heard any rock music, especially not any mainstream rock that works the same way, like a series of small tableaux. It has a particular feel, kind of breezy, I dunno.
― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― retroman, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link
1. "The Trees" rocks! 2. "The Trees" thinks it's a profound parable, but it doesn't make sense, and it fails to make sense in a uniqely goofy and endearing way. The fact that these trees are capable of political argument and class warfare is in no way actually relevant to the pay-off (or vice versa), that is
SPOILER ALERT: READ NO FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD "THE TREES" BY RUSH AND DO NOT WISH TO KNOW YET HOW IT ENDS!!!
The trees, being trees, all get cut down. It's a great "yes, but so what?" moment.
― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link
The trouble with the maplesAnd they're quite convinced they're rightThey say the oaks are just too loftyAnd they grab up all the lightBut the oaks can't help their feelingsIf they like the way they're madeAnd they wonder why the maplesCan't be happy in their shade
There is trouble in the forestAnd the creatures all have fledAs the maples scream, "Oppression!"And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a unionAnd demanded equal rightsThe oaks are just too greedyWe will make them give us lightNow there's no more oak oppressionFor they passed a noble lawAnd the trees are all kept equalBy hatchet, axe, and saw
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link
I think the point is that the smaller, mewling trees have cut the bigger majestic trees down to their own size. Just like mewling socialists everywhere, you see.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
Wow, x-post!
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyways, Rush is classic. Sure, they have some shitty songs, and some head scratching political issues, but so do Dylan, Neil Young, and the Stones.
Search: Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Presto
― By-Tor, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
It's all leftover from that bullshit "year zero" mentality, which was even hypocritical from the standpoint of many of the more celebrated punks (Lydon was a huge fan of Beefheart and Van Der Graff Generator and Alice Cooper, the Clash were fans of Thin Lizzy and Mott the Hoople, etc. etc.).
The roommate of a friend of mine who went to Fordham University was the biggest hardcore punk you could imagine -- close-cropped hair, Doc Martens, all the right gear, t-shirts, records, tattoos, etc....but was a HUGE Rush fan at the same time...and refreshingly saw nothing wrong with it.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Given that the oaks literally "hold high places", are they not guilty of failing in their duty to "be the ones who start to mould a new reality" (or something like that)?
Does the song's lack of reference to other kinds of tree itself constitute an act of exclusionary oppression?
― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link
(Ha, punk guilt?)
― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 29 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link
alex lifeson, man
― j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 07:52 (five years ago) link
pretty much
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 November 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link