C/D : Rush

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And yeah, yeah, yeah... Let me do it for you:

"this thread"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say there were great songs scattered on Signals and even Moving Pictures and Power Windows, as well as a lot of Ayn Rand-inspired nonsense; then again, many of the great songs were Ayn Rand-inspired nonsense too.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

chock full of arguably needless proggy filligree

See, I can't even see the case for this when it comes to Moving Pictures (especially if someone starts by saying they favour Jethro Tull and ELP). Every song on it seems very clearly to me to be highly crafted, with solos, fills etc only functioning as parts of the overall song structure and all of them very tuneful, precise, and easy to follow. I think "Red Barchetta" is great song(qua song)writing in particular.

And I've said it before but I really think side 2 of Caress of Steel is one of the most remarkable things they've done. I don't know that I've heard any rock music, especially not any mainstream rock that works the same way, like a series of small tableaux. It has a particular feel, kind of breezy, I dunno.

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i like "tom sawyer"

retroman, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

From Permanent Waves through Signals they were masters of pop-prog.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The essence of Rush's genius is in the combination of these two facts:

1. "The Trees" rocks!
2. "The Trees" thinks it's a profound parable, but it doesn't make sense, and it fails to make sense in a uniqely goofy and endearing way. The fact that these trees are capable of political argument and class warfare is in no way actually relevant to the pay-off (or vice versa), that is


SPOILER ALERT: READ NO FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD "THE TREES" BY RUSH AND DO NOT WISH TO KNOW YET HOW IT ENDS!!!


The trees, being trees, all get cut down. It's a great "yes, but so what?" moment.

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

SOCIALISM IS BAD

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
And they're quite convinced they're right
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream, "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a great "yes, but so what?" moment.

I think the point is that the smaller, mewling trees have cut the bigger majestic trees down to their own size. Just like mewling socialists everywhere, you see.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

UNIONS ARE BAD
LABOR IS BAD

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's weird cuz usually the typical indie prog hater will say, "I hate all that wanky shit like Rush"...but for some reason King Crimson getz an indie ghetto pass from dudes, when in actuality they were probably the MOST muso-wanky of all those bands, incl. ELP and Yes....I like KC, but man Fripp's like the ulitmate chops dude, and they probably had the least pop sensibilities of all those bands.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've always wondered about that. If the problem with prog is that it's too self-indulgent, lacking in pop sensibilities, etc then you'd think Asia and Journey would be critics' heroes and King Crimson and Mahavishnu Orchestra would be their most hated bands.

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Lakeside Park" !!!

kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmm, I never thought of Rush as especially prog. Never made sense to me. Especially after the '70s their songs were all short, owed little to classical music (and more to cartoon music) and had hooks. And wanky? Dunno. Over-arranged, to be sure, but no more wanky than, say, Journey.

Wow, x-post!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Fripp played with Eno, and McClaughlin played with Miles, so they get passes, maybe?

Anyways, Rush is classic. Sure, they have some shitty songs, and some head scratching political issues, but so do Dylan, Neil Young, and the Stones.

Search: Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Presto

By-Tor, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's weird cuz usually the typical indie prog hater will say, "I hate all that wanky shit like Rush"...but for some reason King Crimson getz an indie ghetto pass from dudes, when in actuality they were probably the MOST muso-wanky of all those bands, incl. ELP and Yes....I like KC, but man Fripp's like the ulitmate chops dude, and they probably had the least pop sensibilities of all those bands.

It's all leftover from that bullshit "year zero" mentality, which was even hypocritical from the standpoint of many of the more celebrated punks (Lydon was a huge fan of Beefheart and Van Der Graff Generator and Alice Cooper, the Clash were fans of Thin Lizzy and Mott the Hoople, etc. etc.).

The roommate of a friend of mine who went to Fordham University was the biggest hardcore punk you could imagine -- close-cropped hair, Doc Martens, all the right gear, t-shirts, records, tattoos, etc....but was a HUGE Rush fan at the same time...and refreshingly saw nothing wrong with it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

But can Peart be assumed to be pro-oak and anti-maple?

Given that the oaks literally "hold high places", are they not guilty of failing in their duty to "be the ones who start to mould a new reality" (or something like that)?

Does the song's lack of reference to other kinds of tree itself constitute an act of exclusionary oppression?

Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, what about the conifers?

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

And Alex in NYC OTM. That Year Zero moment was so phony. You could continue liking the so-called dinosaurs, but it was suddenly a lot harder to admit it. That punk with the Rush love was nearly me... although for Rush probably substitute Yes and I was a lot more self-conscious about it all, which was too bad in retrospect.

(Ha, punk guilt?)

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

King Crimson and VDGG get a bypass because they aren't always as, shall I say, flowery or bordering on corny as the likes of Yes, and they come over as that much more intense and psychotic, which just may be easier to admit to relating to. If KC had split up prior to Larks' Tongues... it'd be a different story.

Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 29 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I just bought Pawn Hearts by Van Der Graaf Generator....it's awessome!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

alex lifeson, man

j., Saturday, 17 November 2018 07:52 (five years ago) link

pretty much

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 November 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link


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