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He has sorta surprised me, but please keep in mind one of his few moments of mentalism in an otherwise sane existence is his bizarre insistence that Introspective has only one good song on it, "I'm Not Scared." (Which is very good indeed but IS NOT ALONE.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like "Go West", either.

It's odd because I really adore most of their stuff (I loved _Release_, for example, and think "Home And Dry" is genius) but there are certain things that really, really aggravate me, like "Domino Dancing", "Always On My Mind", "Can You Forgive Her?", and "Go West", but those things are greatly overshadowed by the fact that most of their tracks are as great as "Se A Vida E (Deep Dish Mix)" or "The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On" or every version of "I Want A Dog" that doesn't appear on _Introspective_.

(xpost RAISE YOUR STANDARDS, PSB FANS)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

You only don't like Domino Dancing because you're American!
(yes, I'm being flip)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

DAN, IS YOUR BLOOD BOILING?!?!?!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I maintain that if "Don Juan" had been the single and "Domino Dancing" had been the b-side, I would have had a completely different reaction to _Introspective_ (besides "I'm Not Scared", most of the other tracks on it either aren't that bad or have versions elsewhere that I love but proximity to/association with "Domino Dancing" makes that entire package like Kryptonite to me).

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa "Always On My Mind" is stunning, as is "Can You Forgive Her".

other favourites-
"Love Comes Quickly"
"So Hard"
"West End Girls" (obviously)
"Kings Cross"

I could go on, and on. best band ever.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

**I don't like "Go West", either.**

WHAAAATTT??? This is madness. Holy shit, that track is so utterly great.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yes I have to agree.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I agree with the last four songs you listed, Ronan! ESPECIALLY "Love Comes Quickly" and "King's Cross"! There are just certain PSB tracks that I can't get my head around.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

can you forgive her makes me want to punch things. that's a good thing.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think there's an invisible line in my head between "outrageously clever" and "pretentiously pandering" and the PSB songs I dislike go over that line in some vague, undefined way.

I also know that part of my issue with _Introspective_ is the super-heavy hand of Shep Pettibone.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(an ILX poll of PSB songs is in the works, obv)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

are they the stereotypical ILXors favourite band?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty damned close. That or the Junior Boys. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway:

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

I have to hurt you now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

My work here is done!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

...or the Dismemberment Plan, or Annie From Norway, or Lene Nystrom, or Luomo, or Saint Etienne, or Pulp, or Ricardo Villalobos, or...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Annie, Villalobos and Luomo are not actually bands.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

But only five people on here like Lene, Marcello! (PSB and Pulp are my favourite 80s and 90s artists and I'm not even a typical ILMer)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

but they're ALL WHITE!

i smell heavy handed ILX racism at work

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost about Lene)

Six if you count me. Play With Me is a superb metapop album.

Acid Alliteration, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

...or Jay-Z, or Ludacris, or Teedee Moses, or Saul Williams, or Destiny's Child, or...

Marcello "Acid Alliteration" Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

BACK TO PET SHOP BOYS

Is anyone else happy like I am that they've released the DVD of their Behaviour tour? Especially since I missed it. When they played LA. In 1991. When I was out of town that week. And couldn't catch them. WHEN THEY PLAYED WHAT WAS APPARENTLY ONE OF THEIR BEST SHOWS ON THE TOUR ACCORDING TO PET SHOP BOYS VERSUS AMERICA. But I digress.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

At some point, when I'm very very good and actually own a DVD player, I will purchase that.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Behaviour tour - Wembley Arena - highlight of one's life

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Surely you don't find Go West to be 'pretentious pandering', Dan? It's absolutely *pure* in execution and delivery - and goes right to the heart of what maked the PSBs so great. It's just a huge gush of emotion.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

As opposed to the group Go West, who certainly could be categorised as "pretentious pandering."

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

And the video for "Go West"! My goodness, it's perfect stuff.

But Marcello, we close our eyes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

And you are the kings of wishful thinking, too.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I smell a new thread...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, even better! And Dave Q started it, bless the man!

Taking Sides:Go West vs. Wang Chung

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

And Mr. Carmody started this brilliantly titled one:

So come on Pinefox, what *do* you see in Go West?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

**I smell a new thread... **

Don't try it!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Already tried!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

_Very_ is the soundtrack of my freshman year at college - first time living alone and on my own. Growing up rather quickly in many senses of the phrase (and as horribly ridiculous and corny as this is going to sound) it's also the sound of me finding my place in the world... As an individual, as an adult, as a homosexual male - trying to balance new feelings with rational thoughts, wanting to break down stereotypes but still flirting with natural tendencies to finally identify with some sort of a "community". First love, first breakups, loss of innocence in a very real sense of the word... and all through it there was Neil and Chris soundtracking my world with a sort of forboding knowledge and guiding hand of experience. Those lyrics, those melodies, that CRAZY POUNDING DISCO BEAT!

It's still my favorite. Though the older I grow, Behavior is starting to sorta creep into my psyche and wedge itself in at a close #1.5

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like "Go West", either

this is pure insanity. There's a desperation in neil's voice that is particularly sad. The only quibble I *may* be able to come up with is the sax solo.

whoa. xposts out the wazoo.

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually thinking about Very I'm still amused how Dan was annoyed I didn't tell him earlier how good "Yesterday When I Was Mad" is. SILLY BOY I HAD BEEN SINGING THE ALBUM'S PRAISES FOR A LONG WHILE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the men's chorus in "Go West" that kills it for me. There are several ways that "I Don't Know What You Want..." and "New York City Boy" hit the same style of anthemic fist-pumping majesty without have a constipated glee club farting in the background.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also Ned, you didn't actually say anything explicit about how the album version of "Yesterday When I Was Mad" is completely, utterly batshit insane. You also don't mention "One And One Make Five".)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Also Ned, you didn't actually say anything explicit about how the album version of "Yesterday When I Was Mad" is completely, utterly batshit insane

Fine fine, go ahead and nitpick. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

xp: Is anyone else happy like I am that they've released the DVD of their Behaviour tour?

I am deliriously happy about this, as it was recorded at the very same Birmingham NEC concert that I attended in 1991.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

the extras on the dvd of PERFORMANCE are priceless, esp. chris heath's interview with the boys during rehearsals.
also the booklet of the dvd is the *actual tour brochure* from 1991! ace!

they still wouldn't let them use 'cant take my eyes off you' though it says it's on the disc on the box, it actually isnt on the disc. if u get me.

piscesboy, Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Oh dear. "Love etc" is on the internet.

It's a stinker.

what you know about hat? I know all about hat. (edwardo), Friday, 6 February 2009 00:40 (fifteen years ago) link

"A stinker's" a bit too much. I'd say it's good some good bits and some parts that really don't work. Like the first verse.

daavid, Friday, 6 February 2009 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link

it's great. it wipes the floor with BEFORE or I'M WITH STUPID as a first single off an album to name two. lovely artwork too.

piscesx, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 02:02 (fifteen years ago) link

it's good I think, not a stinker by any means. agree with daavid that the start/first verse doesn't quite work but after that I think it's pretty great

Local Garda, Sunday, 22 February 2009 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link

"I remember on Pop Idol, Pete Waterman told someone, very sympathetically, 'The thing is, you're more of a Depeche Mode kind of artist.' In other words, 'What are you doing here, pet?'

He's so right. I wish they'd kick Simon Cowell's ass.

u s steel, Sunday, 22 February 2009 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Gui Boratto and the Pet Shop Boys have hit twice with the German Film Star mix and now this Love Etc. remix. Would be great to hear Disco 5 or whatever they're on completely remixed by Boratto.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 22 February 2009 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Just because they named their new CD "Yes," does not mean that British electro-pop duo, the Pet Shop Boys, will agree to just about anything.

PETA has asked the Pet Shop Boys to change the band's name to Rescue Shelter Boys.

The band has turned down a request from an animal rights group to rename itself the Rescue Shelter Boys.

The organization, the People for the Ethical Treatment for Animals (PETA), sent a letter to Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe acknowledging that its request, at first blush, might appear "bizarre."

But, by changing its name, the band could raise awareness at every tour stop of the "cramped, filthy conditions" that breeders keep animals in before selling them to pet stores, PETA said in its letter. Read how the Pet Shop Boys got their name

The duo, which has performed under its current name for more than 20 years, reproduced PETA's written request in full on its Web site.

The musicians said they were "unable to agree" to the request "but nonetheless think (it) raises an issue worth thinking about."

The animal rights group said it was pleased the Pet Shop Boys had drawn attention to the issue by posting its letter so prominently on the band's site. Talking about its campaign on a blog entry, a PETA staffer wrote:

"I think I may have to stick "West End Girls" on my iPod right now to celebrate."

"West End Girls" is one of the many hits the group has had in its long career.

PETA is no stranger to oddball campaigns. A recent one was aimed to re-christen fish as "sea kittens" because "who could possibly want to put a hook through a sea kitten?"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/10/peta.pet.shop.boys/index.html

Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Friday, 10 April 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

it is one of the two best ads on television right now

obv #1 is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDAg3VkZPg8

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link

Indeed! You saw that Undefeated article about it, yes?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link

I did!

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link

Separately, so this "Opportunities" talk is making me think of a hilarious little-talked-about moment from their imperial phase. So there was that Billionaire Boys Club movie with Kevin Spacey a few years back, but well before that there was a 1987 NBC miniseries about the same case, starring Judd Nelson. It is VERY 1987 network TV on all fronts. Thankfully the full thing is available on YouTube.

Anyway, I remember watching it at the time, and I distinctly remember there was a montage on it where our non-hero gets himself all made over to be a power player by his fellow assholes. (Again, how perfectly 1987.) As you can see here -- the link should hopefully start at the right place; if not, skip ahead to 21 minutes into the video and let it play from there -- it is soundtracked by a terrible cover of "Opportunities" which is spectacularly missing the point, clearly because the music supervisor or producer or whoever was just all "Wow a song about money, perfect!" I kinda want to know who the guilty party who did this cover is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQOTcBbZQU4

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link

omigod that "Opportunities" montage

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link

It's AMAZING. What a fucking artifact.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

More movie montages should consist mainly of stills.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link

As long as we're talking about "Woot!", leave us not forget Downey's brill use of "Everybody Everybody":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRNawm7F9fw

dow, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link

xpost my fave (the Downy's that is)

dow, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

A further update on that terrible cover -- Nate Patrin remembered the ad for the miniseries using it. You will note, how you say, a creative edit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4R_C2L4Wmk

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

Re: That Downy ad. I submit for consideration LG selling washing machines by reinterpreting "Got Your Money":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEwxtg35BUo

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link

why are there so many street signs in that montage

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link

Billionaire Boys Club was nominated for four Emmys: Outstanding Miniseries, Outstanding Directing in a Miniseries or Special, Outstanding Writing in a Miniseries or Special, and Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Miniseries or Special for Ron Silver

lol

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

Really speaks to the sheer paucity of quality around then. "It MUST be important, it's about wannabe rich assholes in LA like us!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link

Whenever I think of the Pet Shop Boys in pop culture I always think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW8TIAHyAE0

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link

YES! on the Tag Team Geico ad being the #1 ad of the moment. I crack myself up inserting "Sprinkles!" mentally into conversations. The expression on the son's?/daughter's? faces are great, too.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 22 March 2021 19:42 (three years ago) link

One thing I like about the Tag Team commercial is that I (and I assume a lot of people) had idea what the guys looked like, and even if I did, it's kind of taken on faith that these are the same guys. And yeah, "Sprinkles!"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link

the tag team commercial also underscores the fact that "whoomp there it is" is a truly excellent song that we've taken for granted

voodoo chili, Monday, 22 March 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link

I mentioned this piece briefly but it is worth a read

https://theundefeated.com/features/behind-the-delightful-success-of-tag-team-hit-commercial-with-geico/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 March 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link

bilingual then backwards and anything after bilingual is crap!

xzanfar, Monday, 22 March 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link

nah

Vinnie, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 11:55 (three years ago) link

Geico wins Mad Men Ace Award because visuals of Allstate spoiled by shitty singing hood ornament, looking like a sweetened-up Wicked Witch, but musically I find "Opportunities" more exciting.

dow, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

I can't recall many good covers of PSB songs, except by Liza/Dusty etc, but this a lovely and summery, found by accident on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/track/4clr0ehfzrEKvLepw4WffW?si=9c65ffc509534d5c

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:30 (one year ago) link


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