King Crimson - C/D S/D

Check the entry for last Thursday.

This is why I can still put up with Robert Fripp from time to time.

I think the Thrak band is underrated. Sure, it's kind of a big mess, but sometimes it's as good as the 80s band with a lot more NOISE and percussion flying around, which can be pretty cool.

when is this ever not the case. usually cripplingly so.

I also like Fripp's comments about the music industry, the meat starts down around the question 'why independent', but anyone who's been buying the DGM releases has seen this text in the liner notes ten times over...

actually I've heard from diehard fans that Crimson had caught their wind on the last tour. everyone seems to agree that the previous tours were just fingernail torture.

I also just decided that most of the Power to Believe is pretty strong, certainly better than Construction of Light.

Tracks to search: 21st Century Schizoid Man (duh), Moonchild, Cat Food, Formentera Lady/Sailors Tale, the Letters (for the arpeggio pattern), Larks Tongues 1 & 2, Great Deceiver, Fracture, Red, Starless, Discipline, Frame by Frame, Sheltering Sky, Neil and jack and Me, REquiem, Sartori in Tangier, 3 of a perfect pair, Sleepless, Nuages, Industry, Larks Tongue 3, walking on air, one time, sex sleep eat drink dream, vrooom, thrak, larks tonue 4 (live version), eyes wide open, level 5, dangerous curves.

Also, a lot of the Red-era stuff I didn't mention is better in live versions (easy money, etc).

No, it's not a good thing...it's a GREAT thing!

Hee hee.

I'd say classic and my faves are Lizard, Islands, Starless, and Red (Lark's Tongue I think I have but acquired after I stopped listening to them so that I don't really have much of an opinion). I like the odd 80s track that I've heard but I don't think I've ever listened to an entire 80s album.

Oh, I agree totally! "Pictures of a City" is structurally like a carbon copy of "Schizoid Man". I still love both records too. Which is why I couldn't understand why Joe Lakeside said in his post to "search" the first one & "destroy" Poseidon...

The one on Cirkus SCREAMS...the sax, especially, is just out there, speed-freaked and sleazy. The second version (out of three!) on Epitaph (track 7 on disc one) is notable for being the fastest version I've probably heard - it sounds like it could fall apart any second, but it never does. Generally, I really dig the Wetton/Bruford-era KC, but that lineup's "Schizoid Man" just wasn't crazed enough. And, check out "Schizoid Men" on Ladies of the Road, which takes up an entire disc (54 minutes!) - it's one mega-version, with various solos stitched together. You might think it's too much of a good thing, but ummm boy, it's something else.

damn, he took down his version of 'fracture'.

The 80s live album, Absent Lovers, sounds so much fuller and better than the studio ones and thus even MORE like a prog Talking Heads.

fuck the 80s and 90's k.c.
it bred funk metal and you know it.

starless and bible black is probably thier last great album. and it IS great.

the song 'starless and bible black'>>>>>>>the song 'starless'

joe, lets dual. haha

Their '80s stuff is even more sterile than their earlier shit, in my opinion. Hard to fault them for execution, but it sounds to me like they're just spinning their wheels with those patented riffs...

Anyhow, Crimson-wise, I'll take about half of each of the early saxophone-&-Mellotron-drenched LPs, 2/3 of the mid-70s John Wetton LPs (most folks' favourites), and about 3/4 of the '80s Adrian Belew LPs - my personal favourites. Yes, it's uncharacteristic of a 70s-booster like me to prefer the 80s incarnation, but I really like those mock-Gamelan and pseudo-African/Arabic textures. Aside from bits of "Zoom" or "Thrak" or whatever, I've never really warmed up to those '90s-and-beyond Crimson LPs, but I'll probably give 'em another chance someday.

And the song "Thrak" is just about as good as anything the mid-70s version did.

TPP is great but inconsistent. I don't like the way the vocals are mixed, making it sound like some bad '80s bargain-bin act.

wetton's kind of a weird one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZIPwZ6BaBg

Surmounter if you like Larks' and perhaps by now, Starless & Bible Black, you of course should cop Red which is the unbelievably heavy studio pinnacle of that line-up.

Most of all though, treat yourself eventually to some live recordings from this era. The newish release of what used to be called USA, now called Asbury Park 1974 (the USA version has overdubs, the new one doesn't), is just maybe the apotheosis of the Wetton era. As with only the very awesomest of live discs, listening to it I can't believe people actually sat in an audience and SAW THIS.

is that a download only from dgm? I can't seem to find the album

Yep.
http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=5&show=419

I think maybe it's been released on CDin one of these DGM 2-fers I've been seeing around... no?

Yeah, it's on Vol. 1 of the "Collectable King Crimson" 2-fer CDs (the other concert on Vol. 1 is "Mainz 1974").

Let's go off the beaten path and try

the nonreleased and improv tracks on Vrooom and Vrooom Vrooom

and get the Heavy ConstruKction album for the new songs and improvs

I can't remember the names of my favorite songs this way but
ccccSeizurecc, Uböö, Cage, and Blastic Rhino all seem to ring a bell

this is stuff you won't find on Thrak, The Constukction of light, and
The Power To Believe albums

http://www.kimmopohjonen.com/img/kTU/KTU815press2-L.jpg

HMMM

I can't find a thread for the Discipline album.

Frame by Frame has endeared itself to my heart over the last couple of weeks big time.

nothing rocks me quite like "Red"

I'm really excited about The Great Deceiver being re-released now. I've wanted that for years, but not found it. As good as some of the studio albums are, they always (or at least since the Wetton years) were a better live group than studio band.
For those who're not familiar, TGD is a 4-disc collection of live recordings from 1973 and 1974. It's now being put out as two 2-disc sets, new packaging, but no changes whatsoever to the content of the discs themselves.

Have to admit that I would've preferred the original box being re-released as it was, as I'm not too fond of the artwork they go for these days. I also got the impression that the original liner notes are just included as a PDF this time, which is odd. But what the hell, the packaging and booklet is rarely of interest after the first day.

Further info:
Elephant Talk | Wikipedia

Here ya go, Bimble:

Defend The Hypothetically Defensible: King Crimson's Discipline

Well done! Cheers.

Larks Tongues in Aspic is nothing short of amazing. I feel/fear I might be going in to that Crimson phase I've been putting off for so long now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyysKcJLmM

:(

I want this vinyl reissue of In The Wake Of Poseidon!!!

- 200g Super-Heavyweight Vinyl
- Newly cut from Robert Fripp approved masters
- Reprint of Original Stunning Gatefold Sleeve
- Limited Time MP3 Code for access to download transfer of an original 1970 pressing

Here's some siqq ass rare 80s footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiS2LZhLvYw