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black oak arkansas. black oak arkansas. BLACK OAK ARKANSAS.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link

go jim dandy.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Monday, 25 August 2003 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

They might be from California, but Creedence Clearwater Revival sound pretty southern to me.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 07:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Always wanted to hear Greg Allman sing "Tempted" (The Squeeze song.)

! this is inspired.

and lynyrd skynyrd has long been a not-really-so-shameful "shameful pleasure." though i never could stand the allman bros. (who seemed to be in the same league as the grateful dead, at least to my ears. and being in the same league as the dead = NOT good. though i do like greg allman's voice.)

Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 08:05 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...
sweet stuff!


nice triple guitar action.

scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

my dad used to have lots of Doc Holliday albums, and i wish i had one to listen to:



scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 15:21 (twelve years ago) link

i'm surprised that chuck doesn't own all the old Doc Holliday albums. maybe he does. i don't think he does.

scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

Raging Slab was wonderful.

NYCNative, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

Do My Morning Jacket and Black Keys fall into this catergory. If so, then I recommend both.

seconded! i came to thread to say exactly this

stephen, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

also i like the idea of Black Oak Arkansas more than listening to Black Oak Arkansas. I have the live one and Street Party, both are "okay" to me, nothing more.

jim dandy is a real character though.

my fav. minneapolis record store has a little shrine to black oak, t-shirts, signed photos and albums in a glass case.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

eat yer heart out, diamond dave!


scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

but i get yer point.

scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i wanted to love them! they have their moments. the songs/band isn't as distinctive as jim dandy for me...

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

they were an inspiration to many though:



scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

where the fuck is RAM JAM in this thread? huh?

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:24 (twelve years ago) link

[xp] Yes, they were an inspiration to many:


NYCNative, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

that magazine cover is a hoot, I remember picking up a copy of After Darkaround 1975 cause it had Bowie on the cover and being totally bemused by the gay-without-quite-saying-so content. jd to the rescue.

m coleman, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:09 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

lol @ the signal to o_O ratio on this thread.

Kerm, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 23:47 (eleven years ago) link

most of the 2003 posts on this thread are so wrong it's funny.

scott seward, Thursday, 1 May 2008 00:45 (eleven years ago) link

I saw you endorse the Henry Paul Band on the rolling vinyl thread, and that's how I ended up here.

Kerm, Thursday, 1 May 2008 01:08 (eleven years ago) link

i just bought a ktel southern rock comp w/ a fried egg on the cover


deej, Thursday, 1 May 2008 01:10 (eleven years ago) link

i am surprised that alexinnyc does not honour the southern fried fire.
also, why isn't zz top southern rock? or are they? or were they?

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 1 May 2008 01:18 (eleven years ago) link

They absolutely are... who says otherwise? Nobody mentioned them previously on this thread because it is ridiculous.

Kerm, Thursday, 1 May 2008 01:24 (eleven years ago) link

Southern rock rules-zz, blackfoot, skynryd, the new orleans metal groups. Kick ass stuff. And black oak slays.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 1 May 2008 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

Just played the first side of that Henry Paul Band LP (which I bought for $1 in Austin last week.) Pretty great -- how come all bands don't have three guitar players? (When has any extra guitar player ever made a rock band worse?)

That K-Tel Southern Fried Rock LP is pretty great; also swear by South's Greatest Hits, on Capricorn from 1977. Best CD compilation I know of is Volunteer Jam: Classic Live Performances Volume One, on Sony Music Special Products, 1999.

the new orleans metal groups

Not sure what these are, but most of the '00s extreme metal bands who supposedly sound Southern rock (Pantera, Corrosion of Conformity, Crowbar, Clutch) don't sound Southern rock at all to me. I mean, maybe they're Southern, and maybe they're rock, but so are R.E.M., right?

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:00 (eleven years ago) link

I actually think my favorite New Orleans metal group is Supagroup (who don't sound very Southern rock either, usually.) But maybe I've missed some.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:07 (eleven years ago) link

'00s extreme metal bands

or '90s, for that matter.

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:10 (eleven years ago) link

Crowbar, Corrosion, Eyehategod, and their combo (Down) all have a distinctive southern feel under all the chaos, especially Down.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:11 (eleven years ago) link

I have the luxury of seeing BOA reunite about once every year or so 'cause some whippersnapper thinks it would be totally WILD to get them on the bill. It is. Totally gangbusters. Dandy does look like he crawled out from under a bridge these days though.

will, Thursday, 1 May 2008 14:17 (eleven years ago) link

REM=Southern Gothic* Rock

*in the literary sense (Faulkner, Tennessee Williams, Eudora Welty), not the Marilyn Manson sense

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:19 (eleven years ago) link

You know, I've been hearing people say that about R.E.M. and various other bands for 25 or 30 years now, and I still really have no idea what it means (though maybe I would if I'd read more Southern Gothic literature than I have, who knows.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 May 2008 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

also, why isn't zz top southern rock? or are they? or were they?

I wouldn't say ZZ Top are an obvious southern rock band. Like any rock, blues or country group from Texas, they've maintained a certain independence from the South. At least, that's how I've always seen it.

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

Then again, maybe my definition of southern rock has been drawn a little too narrow. I'm no expert on the genre, by any means.

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

ZZ Top were considered southern rock in the seventies, but the tag kinda disappeared after they went new wave.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:17 (eleven years ago) link

That makes me wonder...did Southern rock fans still consider 38 Special Southern rock after they went powerpop (which wasn't too far into their career, really)?

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:20 (eleven years ago) link


Altough I do agree w/Texas groups being independent of the movement. The only other band I can think of that comes close is Point Blank, and even then the were closer to Bad Company or April Wine than Skynyrd or the Allmans.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

I think .38 Special slides by on account of the Van Zandt bloodline.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:21 (eleven years ago) link

xp: thirding that. texas is its own thing.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:22 (eleven years ago) link

Well, the stereotypical Texan identity is too individualistic to be merely lumped in with "The South", isn't it? And was Texas even ever part of the Confederacy? (No real need to answer, I can look it up.)

Anyways, even though the guy's a racist paranoid humourless lunatic these days, Charlie Daniels used to be a cool redneck, of the whiskey-weed-&-wimmen variety. And I've got a real fondness for a big percentage of Charlie Daniels' '70s records, particularly Honey In The Rock/Uneasy Rider and the other long OOP ones.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

(pls ignore now-redundant remarks re. Texas)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

The thing about Texas is we had Outlaw Country happening at the same time.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

ZZ Top were considered southern rock in the seventies, but the tag kinda disappeared after they went new wave.

I'm of that generation. So yeah, I didn't know about the southern rock background when I was digging those funny dudes with beards on MTV.

I do think ZZ Top has always had more of a minimalist approach to grooving than most southern rock bands.

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:51 (eleven years ago) link

ZZ Top also seems less influenced by southern soul, Muscle Shoals, etc. (Again, all this stuff is new to me.)

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 1 May 2008 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

ZZ Top started out closer to Cream, James Gang, Johnny Winter. Stuff like that, power trios & what not.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

I do think they (ZZ Top) had a good grip on southern soul as well. It just wasn't their selling point.

C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 1 May 2008 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

i really need some Barefoot Jerry records. i don't have any. how come i never see them anywhere?

i've been digging my elvin bishop records a lot lately. and my grinderswitch records. and the james montgomery band album on capricorn that i picked up.

scott seward, Thursday, 1 May 2008 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

been digging my fave cowboy rekkerds as well. i'm always in the mood for those:


scott seward, Thursday, 1 May 2008 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

Point Blank reviewed

PB were definitely southern rock. They certainly seem to consider themselves so at pointblanksouthernrock.com. Their first album was ZZ Top as interpreted by angry drunks and biker-meth freaks. Heck, they were managed and produced by ZZ Top's manager who obviously wanted them to be even more dangerous. So it's their best. A long mellowing out followed.

Hydra had their moments, most of them on their first two CDs, the second with a classic photo of a copy blowing his nose with money. They were on Capricorn.

The trinity of southern rock has to be Skynyrd, the Allmans and Molly Hatchet. Besides music, they still have a lot in common. Many of them are dead. And by this they prove southern rock is something of a generic yet very distinct brand. As ringer bands, they still make records people buy and no one cares at the big country and ag fair fests that the guys onstage aren't the real guys anymore. In any case, some of the ringer guys have now been in the bands longer than the original dead guys were.

And Molly Hatchet's live CD from last year was decent. I put something on it somewhere on ILM but the search function doesn't work for shit so it's out of sight.

Gorge, Thursday, 1 May 2008 17:10 (eleven years ago) link

Dale Krantz was strong w Rossington-Collins Band---better live, but I've got both albums on an ancient CD, and they have some good tracks. Krantz later married Rossington and became a backup singer for the early semi-revived Skynyrd, dunno if she's stil with 'em. (Speaking of Blackfoot, Rickey Medlocke, whom Van Zant talked into being Skynyrd's pre-Artemus drummer, came back as singer-guitarist for the Skynyrd revival, don't know if he's still there either
The only other band with a female lead singer I can think of is Grey Ghost, fronted by Ruby Red. Saw her duet w Jim Dandy somewhere once, but don't remember how that was or what Grey Ghost sounded like.
Yeah, Randall Bramblett! Played sax with Cowboy, right? Aand still puts out good albums, singing and songwriting and playing sax, guitar, keys, kind of a backroads, backstreets Steely Dan sometimes.

dow, Friday, 29 July 2016 15:02 (three years ago) link

Blackfoot came along when new wave was becoming the hot trend, used to hear their cover of Spirit's "I Put A Line On You" on college radio around '79, '80, don't know how that first(?) album was, but '83's City Slicker was pretty decent.

dow, Friday, 29 July 2016 15:07 (three years ago) link

Mother's Finest was from Atlanta and had a female lead singer but their sound was more funk/soul hard rock than 'southern rock' in the Capricorn records/Skynyrd way. Like the Isley Brothers it's not hard to hear Mother's Finest as a 70s rock/funk version of the 60s soul sound.

earlnash, Friday, 29 July 2016 21:19 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Yeah they funk-rocked and Baby Jean Kennedy sure did sing lead, but also yeah not Southern Rock in the bandwagonesque sense.

These guys certainly were bandwagon, and could be satisfying that way when guitar urges pushed around the country-rock harmonies etc;current line-up seems like non-nonentities, especially Chris Anderson, and this album might be worth checking out, if live really is still the Outlaws thing:

For The Outlaws, it´s always about the music. Especially live music! For more than 40 years, the southern rock legend has celebrated triumphs, endured tragedies and survived legal nightmares to remain one of the most influential and best-loved bands of the genre. It's a band of brothers bound together by history, harmony and the road. It's about a group that respects its own legacy while refusing to be defined by its past. But most of all, it's about playing live, playing for their audience. The sextet proves just how well this combination works with Legacy Live, its brand-new double live CD, scheduled for release on November 18th via Steamhammer/SPV.

"I want people to hear this album and see our show and realize that The Outlaws are still there," says founding member and front man Henry Paul. "Our goal is to unite the fans and bring the group back into the limelight." Legacy Live consists of two CDs, full to the brim with classics such a ´There Goes Another Love Song`, ´(Ghost) Riders In The Sky`, ´Green Grass & High Tides Forever` and ´Freeborn Man` as well as more recent material like ´It´s About Pride`, ´Hidin` Out In Tennessee` and ´So Long`. A total of 20 songs, every one of which proves: the gritty southern rock by The Outlaws mark 2016 is as intense and passionate as it's always been.

nd what is more: On stage, the band burns hotter than ever. "The Outlaws helped define Southern Rock for me and for generations of fans," wrote American music journalist Bill Robinson in June 2012 in The Huffington Post. "Seeing them onstage with The Charlie Daniels Band, Marshall Tucker Band, Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd or countless others was, for a long time, one of the best experiences I could have." The Outlaws' live shows are blazing tributes to the band's rich history and fiery rebirth. Classic tracks and fan favorites from the first three albums - as well as The Henry Paul Band's definitive "Grey Ghost" - share the spotlight with songs from the newer discs. "I think the fans are coming away from shows feeling a part of the Outlaws experience."

Along with founding members Henry Paul and Monte Yoho, the band features several of Southern Rock's most respected veterans: Co-lead guitarist and longtime Outlaw Chris Anderson is well known for his collaborations with artists that include Dickey Betts, Lucinda Williams, Hank Williams Jr., and Skynyrd. Steve Grisham is a former member of the Soldier Of Fortune era Outlaws, a noted songwriter whose tracks include The Henry Paul Band top 40 hit "Keeping Our Love Alive" and a co-founder of the Southern Rock all-stars Brothers Of The Southland. Keyboardist/vocalist Dave Robbins is a co-founding member of Blackhawk and has written hit songs for artists that include Restless Heart, Kenny Rogers and Eric Clapton. Bassist/vocalist Randy Threet has performed with Pam Tillis, Trisha Yearwood and Blackhawk, and is familiar to TV audiences from USA Network's 'Nashville Star'. "From the very beginning, our band had a heart," Monte Yoho says, "for The Outlaws, it's still about the music. And more than ever, it's about live music!"

"Legacy Live" will be released November 11th (USA/Canada November 18th) as a 2CD digipak and download.


CD 1
1. Intro
2. There Goes Another Love Song
3. Hurry Sundown
4. Hidin' Out In Tennessee
5. Freeborn Man
6. Born To Be Bad
7. Song In The Breeze
8. Girl From Ohio
9. Holiday
10. Gunsmoke
11. Grey Ghost

CD 2
1. South Carolina
2. So Long
3. Prisoner
4. Cold Harbor
5. Trail Of Tears
6. It's About Pride
7. Waterhole
8. Knoxville Girl
9. Green Grass & High Tides Forever
10. (Ghost) Riders In The Sky

dow, Saturday, 10 September 2016 01:30 (three years ago) link

O yeah, and speaking one more time of Jim Dandy---this is from what seems to be one of the very first Consumer Guides ever, archived on xgau's site:
The Knowbody Else [Hip, 1969]
A classic white Southern rock band. Despite the terrible group name and the terrible label name (Stax subsidiary) and the terrible cover art, they really make it. Lead singer James Mangrum is a cross between Dr. John and Captain Beefheart, the arrangements are spare and evocative, the songs simple but never banal. Very nice. B
As always, gotta be about the descriptions, not the "grades"--anybody heard this album??

dow, Saturday, 10 September 2016 01:35 (three years ago) link

I've heard it before - didn't sound as inspired as the early BOA stuff. If you've heard "Early Times" I think that's more or less leftovers from the Knowbody Else stuff...

SOMEONE'S got to program the propaganda simulacra (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 12 September 2016 04:22 (three years ago) link

Downloading that Outlaws promo now. Never listened to them before. Kinda hope they're more Molly Hatchet than Marshall Tucker...

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 00:11 (three years ago) link

I mostly saw them at festivals: seemed like they wanted to be tasteful like Tucker, and they did have some harmonious hits, at least in the South, but the guitar boogie machine monster held forth in the arenas etc.

dow, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 02:46 (three years ago) link

By "machine monster", I mean something like a big ol' toy, but a loud, cross-country vehicle too.

dow, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 02:48 (three years ago) link

Most of The Outlaws records are more harmony led country rock. Green Grass and High Tides is kind of an outlier.

earlnash, Tuesday, 13 September 2016 04:55 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Think I mentioned Skydog, the monster Duane Allman box, when it came out on CD a few years ago---back now on ltd. ed. vinyl, and sounding better than ever, according to this extensive review:

dow, Monday, 24 October 2016 15:23 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

Well dang--- ahole tendencies at least, judging by his autobio and other accounts---incl. of his earlier drunk-driving adventures-----and it was already the end of an era, ABB-wise, but still:

dow, Saturday, 27 May 2017 19:50 (two years ago) link

Bruce Hampton's sudden death onstage at the climax of his 70th birthday megajam was more upsetting, and don't know that we've ever discussed him here---good thread:
Music to Eat (Hampton Grease Band): C/D

dow, Saturday, 27 May 2017 19:57 (two years ago) link

aw man. RIP Gregg Allman :(

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 28 May 2017 00:42 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Southern Blood sounds a lot better than I expected, after being disgusted with his moaning and groaning almost (except for the blessed "Instrumental Illness") all over ABB's last studio album, Hittin' The Note(2009). But now I'm thinking I should try again, and haven't heard his 2011 set Low Country Blues atall. So far, some of the tracks on here may lose momentum, but since he only lived to hear four finished, it was producer Don Was's responsibility to tighten up the set. But I've only listened a couple times, and there's some choice cuts on here for sure (must check that Johnny Jenkins album he gets one of these from)

dow, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 01:52 (two years ago) link

Digging the instrumentation here too, especially *these* horns with *this* steel guitar (and the rhythm section).

dow, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 01:54 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Scott Boyer of Cowboy (and more recently the Decoys) has died---bio and comments from Isbell, Hood etc here:

Live, Cowboy could be several things, incl. in there between Traffic and Little Feat---unlike their best known track, "Please Be With Me" w Duane Allman:

dow, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 05:06 (two years ago) link


velko, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 06:07 (two years ago) link

Thanks, hadn't heard that! This 'un is like something unaccountably left off Buffalo Springfield's Last Time Around, but also holds its own---


---from Cowboy - Boyer & Talton (Capricorn 1974) Scott Boyer & Tommy Talton With Chuck Leavell, Jaimoe, Randall Bramblett, Charley Hayward, Johnny Sandlin

dow, Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:18 (two years ago) link

if that doesn't show up here, it's "Everyone Has A Chance To Feel."

dow, Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:19 (two years ago) link

Live, Cowboy eventually could sound kind of in there between Traffic, Little Feat, little bit of early 70s Van Morrison---like Talton, Stewart & Sandlin kinda do here in the studio, on "Happy To Be Alive":


one album that I know of:
T.Talton, B.Stewart, J.Sandlin - Happy To Be Alive (CAPRICORN 1976) Johnny Sandlin - Electric Guitar, Bass Guitar Ed Freeman - Strings, Strings Arrangements, Conductor Bill Stewart - Rhythm Guitar, Drums, Percussion Bill Stewart - Drums Tommy Talton - Guitar, Vocals Guest Musicians:Bonnie Bramlett, Chuck Leavell, Dru Lombar, Joe English, Joe Walk, Scott Boyer, Steve Miller

dow, Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:24 (two years ago) link

Really trying for that 70s radio play, duh, and deservedly so.

dow, Thursday, 15 February 2018 21:25 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

A couple of Cowboy albums I didn't know about, the s/t and an expanded Cowboy: Boyer & Talton, were recently reissued, haven't heard 'em yet---also, here's Tommy Talton talking about the last show with Gregg, in 2016, and a good conversation they had, along with author's mentions of the Gregg albums T played on, ditto ABB LPs (bottom of this page has a link to review of Talton's latest solo alb):

dow, Monday, 2 July 2018 22:42 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Finally got to it--said this just now on Twitter:
Cowboy, Boyer & Talton (Expanded Edition): "It's a long short highway," amen. Bramblett, Leavell, Jaimoe, Sandlin, Hornsby, Bill Stewart, David Brown, Toy Caldwell, Dru Lombar, Charlie Hayward, Giggling Heap, Willietes, 2 bonus workouts from The Gregg Allman Tour. Earned stereo.

Anybody heard the 31rst of February album, the trio's 1968 s/t? Long ago heard the demo released in '72 as Duane & Greg Allman, backed by the trio, mainly remember Greg/Gregg bellerin' "Morning Dew."

dow, Friday, 30 November 2018 23:49 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

Blackfoot rawks some serious mullet. "Good Morning" that opens up their 'Marauder' lp kinda has a groove that splits the difference between thrash and the Walbash Cannonball.

earlnash, Sunday, 9 June 2019 13:42 (eight months ago) link

Rickey Medlocke rules!

brimstead, Monday, 10 June 2019 00:10 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

Never heard a whole Blackfoot album, but they had a decent cover of Spirit's "I Got A Line On You" in the late 70s, kind of a weird time for Southern Rock (post-Skynyrd-plane-crash, for one thing). He was mainly known as a guitarist early on, I think, but Van Zant talked him into drumming for Skyn---last I heard, he was still with the current line-up, singing and guitaring.
Just got this from Big Hassle publicists:

Gregg Allman
Laid Back Deluxe Edition and Gregg Allman Tour - August 30
Allman’s masterful debut solo album, Laid Back, will be remastered and released as an expanded two-disc deluxe edition and reissue on 180-gram vinyl. The deluxe edition features more than two dozen rarities including unreleased demos, outtakes, alternative and new mixes
xpost best Cowboy line-up backing him on the Tour LP. hope there's more involving them on this.

dow, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:16 (six months ago) link

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