this is the thread where the ILM massive teach mark s a *LESSON*

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mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(one of the purposes of this exercise will be to test my "retrieval system" whereby everything actually in the house is (supposedly) not stuck behind something else, and therefore findable...)

(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The 2-step comp to get = Ministry of Sound's Ayia Napa 2000
The gutter-garage one = (unf. I have no good answer coz the MC Garage one isn't all that, but can supply you with mp3s of the l8st & gr8st -- email me)
The microhouse one = M. Mayer's Immer, or Kompakt's Total 3.

(this is all pretty much ILX conventional wisdom I think)

Also the whole of Jay-Z's "Vol 3: The Life and Times of S. Carter"

I recommend all of these because they somehow seem outside the universe of yr. ken and methods of discussion (except the Bakhtin which seems like it provides an elusive framework of sorts to the universe of yr. ken)

[haha -- the universe of ken = the pink dream house and that's IT!]1

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

U2 - "New Year's Day": At this moment, I think this is one of the greatest postpunk singles - without a doubt, the greatest post-Joy Division postpunk single for reasons given in the linked thread. You can do the whole War album if you like. I know you hate U2 and am curious how far it extends and why.

Also, what do you think of "That Song" by Big Wreck?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really only know for a fact that you enjoy Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Xenakis, so I will recommend the electro-acoustic vampire music of Igor Wakhevitch. Any album will do. But the Hot Boy$ are good too.

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Clash.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

lp or song, shakey

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Should I Say Yes" by Nu Shooz just because it's so damn cute.

s woods, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Mothers of Invention - Freak Out

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh, I'm just being snarky, mark... but in all seriousness I nominate my most recent cause celebre: Johnny Otis "Castin' My Spell". Although how I could facilitate yr hearing I'm not sure, since I don't have an MP3, and I'm guessing you don't own it...

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Exploding Hearts -- "Guitar Romantic", out on Dirtnap Records.

in particular, the song, "Rumours in Town".

Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(one of the purposes of this exercise will be to test my "retrieval system" whereby everything actually in the house is (supposedly) not stuck behind something else, and therefore findable...)

haha welcome to my life

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Chequered Past!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Chequered Past (EMI America) 1984

trouser press sez:

Although listening to this run-of-the-mill Bad Company arena rock may not, a glance at the credits indicates why Chequered Past was one of the most depressing groups/albums of recent years. Clem Burke and Nigel Harrison (both ex-Blondie) and Steve Jones (ex-Pistols) formed three-fifths of the band, proving conclusively that even talented new wavers, no matter how idealistic and rebellious, were merely a few years away from becoming just as bogus as the musicians they originally set out to dethrone.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yur better off with the rich kids and the professionals

scott seward, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Ex-treme Dating" - like a regular dating show except that one of the daters has two exes in a nearby media van watching every move of his date via closed-circuit TV. The two exes are equipped with microphones that lead directly to an ear-bud in the OTHER dater's ear, and they are allowed to be totally merciless - "ha ha that's a LIE" or "ask him about the thing on his butt" or "he is totally looking at the waitress!!" At the end of the date the daters part ways, give their little spiel about how they think things went, and then a limo pulls up: inside is either the date, or if she/he decided "ixnay" the door opens up and it's the two exes, laughing and pointing!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

whisper in ear-bud: "this is i love music, you ignoramus!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tracer totally seconded -- also Jillian Barbierie who Blount notwithstanding still comes off as the most clever and licka.. ahem, likable host on TV.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think you should listen more with your heart chakra.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Triple R, Friends, which is like Immer except REALLY FUN

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yes, Friends is very great.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

B-but Matos, the last thing mark needs is more *fun*.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(well, it's not like the Cooler Kids or anything, but still)

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Raoul Duguay - "La bitt a tibi" - great mid-70s psych-folk radio hit from Quebec. I can get you the MP3, or burn it to CD for you - just write me.

Patrick, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio's tape he of course failed to LABEL hence its lamentable non to-handness so far)''

so how abt looking for the tape that isn't labelled.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tyranosaurous Rex - Unicorn
We all know one's opinion of Electric Warrior is the best test for the validity of their musical opinion. I spent two weeks listening to nothing but, then I decided to see what ILM had to say about T. Rex. Somewhere, some thread, someone explains how the Tyranosaurus Rex era records are like the song of the siren to female ears. I resolved to hear it ASAP, downloaded first I found it, and it is indeed some of the most engaging, odd, and feminine music I've heard. I'd like you to take a ridiculous stance on it.

Adam A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

da real one - "u like pina coladas" : stunningly accurate portrait of gender roles, leisure politics, and friday mores in anytown, usa, summer 2002.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Funkadelic's "Miss Lucifer's Love" will make you realize that when funk acts veer dangerously close to a solo Lennon sound, Valhalla-level glory ensues.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

nate which LP's that on?

(thx ppl and k-k-keep it coming — i'll start responding in abt a week, recharged and refreshed i hope from the air of snowdonia national park)

(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

That's on America Eats Its Young, which is also kicking my ass via "Loose Booty" and "You Hit the Nail On The Head" and "Everybody's Going to Make It This Time" and "That Was My Girl" (which I listened to eight times in a row on the bus; it's probably the best band-remaking-their-own-song song ever).

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

de la soul - transmistting live from mars (off of 3 feet high and rising)

it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have been listening to 3rd ear band a bit recently, so I'll nominate either "Alchemy" or "Macbeth" (I wd be interested in a sort of general way in what julio thinks of these as well)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Michael Jackson's Moonwalker -- MJ's perhaps an even sleazier exploiter of Michael Jackson than Martin Bashir is.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 23:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

There is a compilation of klezmer music called "Yikhes - Early Klezmer 1907-1939" on Trikont Records. It has a really fantastic song by clarinettist Dave Tarras on it called "A Rumenisher Nign", which has him blowing over this very minimal backing. The way he plays clarinet is like Charlie Parker would sound if he were a klezemer musician, or had made more of an effort to emulate Johnny Hodges' bending and vibrato. It also reminds me of Raymond Scott's jazz-ish stuff in a weird way. Check it out.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"it's short, it got them in a whole lot of trouble, it predates the whole francophilia farfisa downtempo thing by about 4 years... it has aged much better than the steely dan/hall and oates samples."

I can't believe you think steely dan and hall and oates samples can age. They're deathless! And "I Can't Go For That" seems to be more popular now than at any time since it came out.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


i'm so out of touch it's faux-ironic.

but seriously: the turtles... the turtles.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

have you heard Sleater-Kinney yet, Mark?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 May 2003 01:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Listen to some New Orleans brass band. Rebirth Brass Band's 'Hot Venom' is probably the most accessible, well-recorded, hip-hop influenced street shit out there right now. New Birth Brass Band's 'D-Boy' has all the classics and it sounds great too. This shit is the funkiest music on earth, it's loud, it's got soul, and no one listens to it.

You can get all the shit here.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(re sleater: you'll like the earlier stuff better -- try Call The Doctor)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I second Dave M. on Dave Tarras, but I'd reccomend his long-unavailable and recently reissued masterpiece with the Musiker Bros., Tanz!.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mmmmm. Tanz! is great. Actually my favorite klezmer album of all time is Mickey Katz's "The Family Danced", which is very cheesy and 'not klezmer' according to a leading source.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''(julio abt half my tapes are not labelled: ok it's my fault all the other ones aren't, but this one's clearly down to you!!)''

you crack me up duuude!

well since you don't buy that many recs I suspect that my tape is of a newish model. its a TDK 90 minute tape (do you have many of those with that length?).

Open the case and inside you should have the sticker labels attached. in fact it doesn't just have the sticker labels but it has other more 'colourful' labels (one is of a car, another is a guitar, and another has a cup of a tea , a star and a heart).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 8 May 2003 06:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd recommend the CDs that come with Brooklyn art magazine Cabinet. So far they've had CDs focused on the sound of weather, the sound of childhood, and the aesthetics of failure. These disks are the most stimulating thing I've heard in the last couple of years.

Cabinet, available online as well, is a brilliant read if you find yourself intrigued by these sorts of things:

How does his lifelong habit of nosepicking bring Jonathan Ames to the subject of the word 'bice'?

Might 'the cute' be as important as 'the sublime', and might one put together 15 theses about it?

How might Brian Dewan do a school slideshow (deadpan, absurd, horrific) of the Book of Deuteronomy?

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The first album by Storm and Stress. Also "Plays for Lovers" by Beefeater.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 8 May 2003 07:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think you have a high enough opinion of Lloyd Cole.

Why don't you listen to, say, the first half of his LP DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME BABE (1991)?

the pinefox, Thursday, 8 May 2003 10:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Queen 'A Nigtht At The Opera'

ss, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm... try "If only I could remember my name?" by David Crosby. It's a recent acquisition on my part and I'm still getting my head around it, but it's rather wonderful, especially if the sun is out like it is today. It's a spring / summer kind of record, but with a bit of darkness around the edges. And it's a fiver in the HMV sale.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

er thats in russian. but theres ap icture of him with his scarf hiding the gills (?!)"
and opera no.2
for the good tune..

ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

mark, while we are giving you things to do, I'd like to recommend Ned Sublette's recent Cuba & Its Music (which I assume you know about, and may even have read for all I know).

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

you were not very nice to somebody (composer) in your rise and spral (of horrible noise, not yr behind the music rise and sprawl). you know who i mean. listen again. then come to the Real Dirty South (the one where we can't afford ipods and Lil Jon CDs). and make and sell and buy and even listen to loose joints (in the mixtape sense). on the street. keeping your bias normal, your case low, your new year off-white, and represent.

don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

listen to aussie pop in 80s - wa wa nee "sugar free"

paul grey, Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

from failing memory, isn't john oswald is the only person i'm unremittingly nasty to in rise and sprawl (unless you count j!m de r0gat!s as a composer, or mark lamarr)?

(but it's a very long piece so i probbly said a million things i no longer think especially)

i don't own and can't afford an ipod :(

rockist i own records by ned s. but i never read him: but one of the records i really really like - ever-wideining circles, the one he did w.the persuasions - so i will give that book a go some time

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I was going to link to my thread about the book, but I think that must be one of the lost threads. Anyway, it's very good, and much of it should be of interest to anyone interested in the musical interactions between Africa, the New World, and Europe.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kind of like a less rockcriticerly, more expansive, Stomp and Swerve, but focusing on a different musical center.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yes of course I meant Oswald. It's the name isnt it. Put yr patriotism aside just that much ok? (Larue do you like Irakere? I like the LP ca. '78, from before several of their MVP jumped ship, pretty much literally. Does he talk about them, and/or Charlie Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra?)

don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The Sublette book only goes up to the 50s. He has a second volume planned. I'm actually not that big a fan of Cuban music per se. I prefer Puerto Rican/NuYorican/Colombian stylings, but still, the basic foundation for salsa comes via Cuba, so I am interested. I haven't liked anything I've heard by Irakere.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i happy end of 2004
ii miss scanning a ILX thread to get mark's take on the question
iii should mail you a disc of music

nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

haha don i just realised that wz you!!

but i am still trying to codecrack the patriotism gag

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i did in fact grow up near a town named for the fact that a long-ago saxon king called oswald hid in a a tree once (or wz killed by a tree or something)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but i'm saving the details of that for my sleater-kinner lesson

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Lee Harvey" was what I had in mind (relates to yr. patriotism cause Blair is Bush's poodle and your Prime Minister, nyah nyah, nah nah nah)(Bush is *my whut whut) Intriguing bout the tree (seriously), but I'll wait for the sleater-kinner(?) lesson. In the meantime, more musical recs: RIO BAILE FUNK:FAVELA BOOTY BEATS and Daara J's BOOMERAN and reggaeton too, cos you need a sunny vacation I would imagine (more UK stereotyping but still!)

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 04:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sleater-Kinner fuckin suck dog balls

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Really? Too bad. Sleater-Kinney's pretty good, though.

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
hey mark just wanted to say hi. i dig radio free narnia...see ya.

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

man that louis prima story justifies ilm in its entirety

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

di is back so maybe i shd do my tyrannosaurus rex one AT LAST

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

and thx abt rfn -- sorry it's been a bit far-and-few-between lately

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

is your beef with oswald easily summarized?

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

i am back! i am here! i am reading! i am writhing with anticipation!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

that beef w.oswald:
he had an extremely feeble video piece in the show i talk about in the rise-and-sprawl piece, as well as what i recall as a very smug cover interview in the wire round about the same time -- the culture-jamming meme was more than a bit played at that point, but no one challenged him on this

so i wz very grumpy at him -- ppl told me afterwards i was bein unfair, and that's totally possible -- i wz just fed of readin how Amazingly Daringly Subversive he was Pokin Fun at Pop, i think, and never anything abt how else his stuff maybe worked

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:44 (ten years ago) Permalink

ah ok -- his video works aren't my favorite either. I wouldn't call him smug, but he's definitely self-id's as art-world & thus rubs some people the wrong way, especially these days now that 'sampling' seems so obvious as to be politically inert

that 2 CD 'plunderphonic' box is a little indigestable, but I think you might like his 'WX' from 1983 or the revised 'Plexure' if you're curious about how he earned his rep

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

WX = scroll down to final 11 tracks

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

(just bumpi'nso asto keep 'eh lessons withinteh mark s's visibleness, wellhopefully)

tiit (tiit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

(mock me willya?) Um, if i can still make suggestions mark how about "Breaking the Split Screen Barrier" by Kim Deal's garage band The Amps?

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

early post by me^

I wish these were still going on...would love to hear him unpack a Breeders/Amps song or two; somewhere around here Sinker talks about having a shot with Kelley Deal

taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:45 (six years ago) Permalink

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