Gayngs Chub Licker

tim OTM in any event, focusing on their sincerity/smugness/seriousness/joking is kind of a red herring. they are likely joking/serious/earnest/smug/ironic/innocent all at the same time, to various degrees. also there are like 40 people in this goddamn band i doubt they all feel exactly the same way

lets agree to disagree

Whenever lex complains about a band (which seriously seems to be happening like 24hrs a day. How do you live being so unhappy all the time? When do you sleep?), it just makes me want to listen to them.

lol good luck with that

I really don't want to dogpile on lex here, but jaxon sort of hits on a point about what bugs me about lex from time to time. He is a great writer and his enthusiasm for stuff is thrilling and contagious (I wouldn't have given Girl Unit a chance without his "Wut" love), but it does get old seeing him pop up in thread after thread to remind us how much he hates "indie". I guess its just frustrating to see someone spending more energy on stuff they hate than stuff they love, but thats long been a complaint of mine with certain critics and I don't think its likely to change.

i'm fairly sure that about 80% of the music i talk and write about is stuff i love, repping for it and pointing people towards it - the rest is shit music that too many people within my purview are talking about (fkn radiohead DIE, why does any fucker care?!). i hate on that with relish. this adds up to a total of enjoying myself 100% of the time

also smugness only works if you've got something to be smug about!!!!

(gayngs don't)

(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)

yeah, i mean, we agree about the smugness charge, its a red herring

I think of the postmodern attitude as that of a man who loves a very cultivated woman and knows he cannot say to her, 'I love you madly,' because he knows that she knows (and that she knows that he knows) that these words have already been written by Barbara Cartland. Still, there is a solution. He can say, 'As Barbara Cartland would put it, I love you madly.'"

a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"

the rest is shit music that too many people within my purview are talking about (fkn radiohead DIE, why does any fucker care?!). i hate on that with relish. this adds up to a total of enjoying myself 100% of the time

rmde

I mean replace "radiohead" with "the-dream" and you'd be up in arms.

a real man would just say "i love barbara cartland madly"

― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

are you missing the point on purpose or

yes, he is

im not used to lex joking

Lex isn't being specifically annoying in this thread, he's just engaging in the kind of shifting position, multi-walled fortress approach to arguing which is ilx's modus operandi:

a. making sweeping pronouncements which seem more based on a general vibe picked up than any close study of the music;
b. when called out on it, strategically abandon that part of the argument which seems least sustainable, retreat to a new defensive position;
c. make a new argument salvaged from bits of the former argument and other bits which might be totally inconsistent with it, though the overarching conclusion (this sux) survives; and
d. repeat.

(blah blah unformed argument w/r/t opulence/decadence/innocence/that blithe balearic beach glide/the paris hilton album)

See the thing is this music has nothing to do with any of the things you've just listed. I think Lex the reason I have to harp at you when you start posting at these threads is that you dislike such a broad swathe of stuff surrounding this music that your dichotomies invariably feel really off-base, I'm sure there is indie music which would work for the Paris Hilton comparison you want to make but Gayngs isn't it (A Mountain of One would have been closer though).

It's like, you're surveying from above and trying to describe what's on the ground but can't see through the massive tropical storm of hate obscuring everything.

Though I suspect that maybe the "unformed argument" you're referring to was really concocted with Destroyer in mind and you're just mentioning it here as a placefiller?

tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me

xpost Sorry the above sounds more critical than I mean it. There are whole swathes of music that I like but feel uncomfortable writing about in great detail because I don't think I've got an adequate handle on the context (hence I simply identify the rap I'm really into rather than wax lyrical about it most of the time), obv I think you're better at operating outside of your comfort zone than I am.

oh what the hell, how bad could it be...

... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously

so people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?

okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL

thus ends today's installment of "DJP listens to something he already knew he was going to hate"

tomorrow: Taylor Swift!*

* not really

Interpol? WTF? I mean LOL it up fuzzball but really... get a grip man.

i heard the 'cry' cover a long time ago and kinda just ignored it. i love the original and didn't see the need for it. then i heard 'gaudy side of town' and was like "it's so on". the rest of the record is so different than both of them. it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production. it's kinda record collector geek music. which is why i love it obvs.

Doran, would you have been less annoyed if I'd said Editors?

(it was mostly a reference to the way dude sings)

DJP: No, but I do think that George Michael would be more on target.

it's all sort of got that AOR sound (which i absolutely love anyways), but there's just tons of psych and kraut and funk bits that get lost in great songwriting and amazing production.

I think this is key. Trying to get a sense of what Gayngs are doing from either of those two tunes alone is pretty much impossible. I think tunes like "The Walker" and "Crystal Rope" are much more "representative".

okay you cannot SERIOUSLY tell me you hear George Michael on the "Cry" cover, which is what that joke/comment was based on

maybe George Michael doing an Eeyore impersonation

No, not on Cry which is like a bunch of people singing. Cry's not really representative of the rest of the album.

lol

I know this was literally like half an hour ago but can I just point out the context here:

tbh I was going to see exactly what the fuss was about but the idea of a Godley & Creme cover terrifies me

― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh what the hell, how bad could it be...

... um okay this is not starting off very auspiciously

― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:20 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so people were really dying for a Coldplay-meets-Interpol cover band...?

― DJP, Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:21 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ok, I'm duly chastened but it did sound like you were sitting down to listen to the whole album.

I think okay is the whole album like this, because if so LOL might be a good indication that I wasn't listening to the entire album...?

also the fact that my listen concluded in 5 minutes

Yeah, OK Ming The Merciless I get it... I didn't read your post very well and you're very clever and dastardly and run circles round me. I will pay more attention in future.

haha I don't think I've been called Ming the Merciless since high school

guys lets not fight, the important thing here is that DJP has learned that this song is terrible and this band is embarrassing and awful

It's a quality murk.

not a great big fan of this band for reasons that aren't entirely about their music.

this 'crystal rope' tune is pretty good tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_yoxY2Njk

for what it's worth, (i think) the leisure suits etc in that video aren't like a regular uniform for these guys, there was a big concert at first avenue here in mpls that was billed as a "prom", i think the video was filmed then. maybe that makes it worse if you're not into it! heh

also, people complaining about the white tux lololwinkwinknudgenudge barfaroni party and i immediately thought of grady, who then came in to complain about it. hmmmm. caught you bro :D

As always, when we first hear a new band, it's usually just a CDr with a one sheet. So the stuff that gets you into it is just the music. With Gayngs it's been a long and at times painful process of seeing a symbol made from a ganja leaf and a vagina, seeing loads of guys in white leisure suits, seeing the inner art sketch of them all in a hot tub with the singer getting blown, reading some of the goofy interviews, then finally hearing that they can be all fucking hipster irony and bro-ish live.

But the stuff that made me like the album in the first place remains cool and gripping despite this stuff. As someone hinted at upthread, none of this stuff is binary. Yeah, I wish they were sincere, genuinely cool people and not smug hipsters but that's got nothing, or very little, to do with the music they make.

aaaaagggggghhhh wtf i just found out that the dude that drew the infamous hot tub picture is someone i used to hang out with all the time, its like this band is trying to singlehandedly make me hate all of these people i used to get along with ffs

next thing you know it will be revealed that Slough Feg and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum contributed members to this and justen will lose it forever

aaaaagggggghhhh wtf i just found out that the dude that drew the infamous hot tub picture is someone i used to hang out with all the time, its like this band is trying to singlehandedly make me hate all of these people i used to get along with ffs

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you like all these people have you considered that maybe problem is... you? (i mean that in a nice way no/zing)

is this like a minneapolis thing tho where these guys are huge/unavoidable there? and sucking up all the oxygen or something?

i can see it being annoying if thats the case

jjj it's weird that you ostensibly like these guys personally but absolutely thoroughly refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt

It's kind of weird that people find it really difficult to think that your attitude/opinion of a person can't change because of a visceral reaction to their artistic choices, positive or negative.

Also weird: people taking hyperbolic statements on ILM wholly at face value.

all kinds of stuff is weird!

but if u want to have a different conversation, i've known people in bands i really liked, people in bands i was indifferent to, and people in bands that sucked. it never changed how i felt about them personally!