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thinking some more about some of these based on my listening experience:

actively disliked the Alvaro "drinking my own sperm" record

didn't really like Don Bradshaw Leather

Zweistein, while cool in concept, kinda falls flat

i am not a big Anima fan but I really like Limpe Fuchs' later solo stuff (mostly on CD)

all the LAFMS stuff is worth at least a listen as noted upthread.

I'm a big AMM fan but their catalog is treacherous and hardly anything is on vinyl except the early $$ stuff and "It Was An Ordinary Enough Day" and "Generative Themes" both of which are meh, their later CDs are where the good stuff is imo.

Anal Magic rec is good

Art Zoyd & Area are RIO related iirc, which might be up yer alley since you've been digging Canterbury

Banten rec is good, so is Emtidi in the same vein

out of all the kraut stuff on this (and there is a LOT) Brainticket might be my fave, there's a poll of second-tier Kraut bands around on ILM somewhere. Agitation Free's 1st 2 are good, don't know the later ones and am scared of them.

Crass are obviously the greatest band ever.

Cupol rec is good, I used to own it. All the Dome stuff is worth a listen as well.

Pierre Henry is dependably awesome, I only have one of the huge CD box sets and it is great.

all Pop Group and Red Krayola pre-reunion recs (excluding the Krayola's "Black Snakes") are all time great.

NON's high point for me is unquestionably Blood & Flame, the Rise 12" is OK, can't vouch for the rest.

i fucking love Sally Timms and have solo recs of hers but that Smitt thing is boring.

Tokyo Kid Brother I found kinda pretentious and overblown despite the heavyweight rep.

Gong, 1st three albums are all time.

sleeve, Sunday, 20 February 2011 01:22 (nine years ago) link

What a great list! If nothing else, it made me realize that I should be listening to/seeking out way more Kraut, Postpunk, Musique Concrète, Neue Deutsche Welle, Anarcho/Peace Punk, No Wave, Psych, and early electronic stuff than I've currently been doing.

naus, Sunday, 20 February 2011 15:08 (nine years ago) link

aside from the ones that I know Pete knows, I like these in rough order from most to least -

Debris - heard this 3 or 4 years ago, keep going back to it. An all time fave
Friendsound - great late 60s psych, supposedly members of Paul Revere and the Raiders in the studio on mushrooms or something
Catherine Ribeiro and Alpes - heard No. 2, Paix, Le Temps l'AUtre, like em all
Igor Wakhevitch - Docteur Faust and Hathor both great, ditto that I heard about them via ilx / dominique
Algarnas Tradgard - cool cosmic prog, reminds me of Bo Hansson but rocks a lil harder
Magical Power Mako
Ya Ho Wa 13
Brast Burn

heard but didn't like -
Taj Mahal Travellers (not a popular opinion around here probably? I didn't get it)
Dzyan - too proggy, imo. downloaded one record but deleted. seemed wanky.

curious about -
are Plastic People of the Universe any good?

dmr, Monday, 21 February 2011 04:21 (nine years ago) link

this is a really good thread guyz, good work.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 21 February 2011 04:33 (nine years ago) link

im sort of not interested in PPotU or YaHoWa, and imma really need someone to explain the appeal of taj mahal travelers to me. im not sure if ive ever heard them, so it's not impossible, but for some reason, i feel some aversion?

wanna hear ribeiro+alpes and algernas tradgard (though i think ive heard them) soon -- my buddy mike (who introduced me to ILX in 2k3) used to freak about igor w so much.

69, Monday, 21 February 2011 04:42 (nine years ago) link

i think i might try to pull together an All NWW List show this week, though it may be shamefully kraut-centric.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 21 February 2011 05:02 (nine years ago) link

Art Bears - have owned both 'winter songs' & 'hopes and fears'. sold winter songs and am currently trying to sell 'hope songs'. never got into henry cow and kinda not really into dagmar's voice.
Robert Ashley - fell in love recently w/private parts and the video operas that are on youtube because 69's always talking about him. so great.
Franco Battiato - love the first few records. later stuff is kinda boring. selling 'Echoes Of Sufi Dances'. it's not bad, just sorta boring.
Han Bennink - euro free jazz drummer. i think pete should check out. looks like there's a 40 min doc in dutch or german on google video that you can see him torture a drum set. pretty impressive. he worked a bunch w/ Peter Brötzmann who i also think you should check out. have you heard Last Exit? so great.
Brainticket - so so so great
Comus - amateurist sent me a cdr of their first record years ago. is he still around? these guys are great.
Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft - <3 <3 <3
Dies Irae - this video is one of the greatest things on the internet
Etron Fou Leloublan - french rock in opposition prog group. selling a copy now. i'm not totally into super angular, jagged prog anymore.
Flying Lizards - love this one. are these guys like the cool/non nerdy residents? i dunno, never really listened to the residents.
Fred Frith - even tho i don't love henry cow or art bears, his 2 solo albums "gravity" & "speechless" are dope.
Ron Geesin - recognized his name from the weird album he did w/roger waters "music from the body" but didn't know until now that he orchestrated my fave pink floyd album "atom heart mother". and produced bridget st john. need to check this guy out.
Gong - i don't like the quirky early stuff. really dig the later terry riley gone funk rock sound of their late 70s records.
John Greaves and Peter Blegvad (Henry Cow/Slapp Happy). - just sold greaves' "Accident" to a friend this afternoon. really great record. artfucked bowie of sorts.
Osamu Kitajima - love this guy. japanese sorta new age. worldy, folky, proggy. kinda reminds me of jade warrior. check this track he did w/minnie ripperton doing wordless high pitched vocalizations
Michael Mantler - love anyone that has robert wyatt sing for them
Mythos - love these guys. selling a copy of dreamlab. want a copy of concrete city.
Yoko Ono - love you, boo
Evan Parker and Paul Lytton - pete is this the kinda euro jazz/free improv you're into? or more the big beat you over the head kinda stuff?
Der Plan - never fell in love w/these guys. a bit too silly. but love groups they were connected w/: pyrolator and daf
Red Krayola - always on the fence. 80s post punk stuff is cool. 60s freakout is cool. but never straight up loved.
Catherine Ribeiro and Alpes (French band) - recently picked up "Le Rat débile et l'homme des champs + Alpes". so great. french prog. tim buckley + annette peacock + weirdness.
Ray Russell (musician) - was just saying to check him out on the jaaazz thread. freaked guitar.
Terje Rypdal - another great jazz guitarist. has some stuff on ecm. spaced out 'in a silent way' type of stuff. but mixed w/like 20th cent orchestra stuff.
Samla Mammas Manna - all i know are the albums they did w/frith that i mentioned up there ^. swedish rio prog group.
Snatch (Judy Nylon) - post punk group. i heard a rad song on a brian eno comp.
Patrick Vian - been meaning to look for this record. love the cover.
Igor Wakhevitch - have the cd box set. need to revisit. only loved dr faust the first time because the other albums were too ambient spacey synthy, but those sound right up my alley now.
Robert Wyatt - all time favorite
ZNR - hector zazou's thing. always thought was a lil plinky plonky, but people who's taste i really appreciate love this guy, so...

jaxon, Monday, 21 February 2011 05:58 (nine years ago) link

In defense of Taj Mahal Travellers, I much prefer the 1st LP (1972) and the August 1974 2LP that was reissued on P-Vine. The Oz Days stuff and that Stockholm concert bootleg aren't as immediately tactile. But it is floaty and amorphous at heart. Immersion music, not background music.

Would also second jaxon's Fred Frith, Flying Lizards, and Han Bennink recs (Bennink has also played w/The Ex)

Pataqphonie, New Phonic Art, and L'Infonie fall under what I would consider the large avant orchestra heading.

Decayes are a pretty crazed US band, worth a listen, on Mutant Sounds I think.

In the Art Bears maybe Dagmar's voice is a bit harsh and commanding, but put her in the softer settings of Slapp Happy and I melt.

I much prefer the Hector Zazou solo rec from the late 80's that I have to the ZNR stuff.

sleeve, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:16 (nine years ago) link

oh also that Michael Mantler/Edward Gorey/Robert Wyatt/Carla Bley album is gold.

sleeve, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:17 (nine years ago) link

more love for arzachel pls

ooma boogy wow wow (electricsound), Monday, 21 February 2011 08:18 (nine years ago) link

maybe ill come by tomorrow afternoon and jam some NWW list shit w u jaxon...

i just bought-it-now a copy of the greaves/blegvad LP the other day, and im very much looking forward to hearing it. i think i used to feel about parson sound the way i feel about taj mahal travelers, but i now enjoy parson sound a lot, so maybe TMT are right around the corner.

hey also, i could be interested in nurse with wound's own records and also throbbing gristle. i know this is now officially thread-abuse, but i dont care on ILV. please feel free to weigh in on that stuff, too, ok?

69, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:27 (nine years ago) link

thread-abuse put out some pretty incredible cassette only releases in the 90s. i think i went to their reunion show, but it might have just been a members-of thing and the main guy wasn't there.

sarahel, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:30 (nine years ago) link

never heard evan parker, jaxon -- i associate his name w like electronicky free improv? i could def be down.

oooh right gong! right now i wish i hadnt given my friend my little-jammed camembert electrique. i feel like im coming to a time where id love to hear it a lot. also, pink floyd. im ready for atom heart mother and meddle and animals and obscured by clouds. harvest records hurrah!

xp LOL SL i was just thinking about that fictional band as i typed that phrase

69, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:33 (nine years ago) link

i like peter brotzmann but i have ZERO interest in last exit

69, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:35 (nine years ago) link

evan parker has definitely done electronicky free improv, but he's also done some some blistering more free jazz-like stuff -- like Topography of the Lungs w/Bennink

sarahel, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:35 (nine years ago) link

also love sharrock, and dont specifically hate laswell, but the whole conceit of last exit bothers me for some reason

69, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:38 (nine years ago) link

xp im into both those idioms!

69, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:38 (nine years ago) link

hahahah A+ sarahel

my NWW LP POX as of today:

Sylvie & Babs (dissected kitsch)
Huffin' Rag Blues (the same but different)
Soliloquy For Lilith (dark & meditative)
Brained/Gyllenskold (spooky)
Rock & Roll Station (trippy)
An Awkward Pause (epic rock psych jamz)
Spiral Insana (perfection, my favorite)
Ostrananie 1913 (best of the early stuff)
Automating Vol. 1 (superb early comp work)
Thunder Perfect Mind (brutal noiz plus long psych jam)

TG, well, you can't go wrong with DOA or 20 Jazz Funk Greats or Heathen Earth or any of the singles (or The Endless Not).

sleeve, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:44 (nine years ago) link

as far as TG goes, I prefer their live recordings to their studio albums

sarahel, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:45 (nine years ago) link

see Pete you just need them all!

sarahel which live ones would you rate in particular? for me it's Psychic Sacrifice and Rafters.

sleeve, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:48 (nine years ago) link

heathen earth is great, as is live at the death factory -- i think the latter was the first TG album i ever bought, though it was actually a cassette.

sarahel, Monday, 21 February 2011 08:52 (nine years ago) link

things i esp like on the list

xenaxis - electronic music, devastating comp inc 'bohor' which is one of the greatest pieces of music ever, monumental and scary and a total inspiration for ppl like double leopards
l. voag - the way out - quirky britishes post-punk, great bass player
ghedalia tazartes - transports - all tazartes is gd and unclassifable, but this might be my fave
ray russell - secret asylum - contains 'stained angel morning', his all-time great gtr skronk-out
airway - live at lace - no other recs sound like this, kinda muffled noize
amm - gotta disagree w/ sleeve here, love their early albs like ammmusic and crypt, really raw free improv stuff before the whole 'thing'/genre totally codified/settled - i jam lots of their later albs too, but they're much more glacial and within a recognisable tradition (i put that down to john tilbury)
steve beresford - bath of surprise - again, 'quirky' brit improv w homemade instruments/electronics, toys etc. big fave of otomo yoshihide, this alb
alvin lucier - i am sitting in a room - well duh
anthony moore - music from the cloudland ballroom - really charmin kinda post-lamonte young vocal droning/chanting (the singers keep collapsing into laughter) plus pre-post-rock and other groundbreaking shit
nihilist spasm band - no record
tony oxley - inchos - all of oxley's late 60s albs are essential brit free improv w/ most of the big names like parker, bailey, rutherford etc - this one has never been reissued on cd and features a great cover shot of oxley's electronically augmented drum kit

keep thinkin the east bionca rec is on the list, but don't see it

Ward Fowler, Monday, 21 February 2011 09:25 (nine years ago) link

so glad i bought that l.voag from my pal bob years and years ago. cuz i ain't seen another one since. love that thing.

scott seward, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:09 (nine years ago) link

I really do need to make more of an effort with this list. Have known some of these names *forever* but have still not got round to listening to half of them.

ka£ka (NickB), Monday, 21 February 2011 21:23 (nine years ago) link

it takes time. and a lot of downloading unless you are made out of $$$$$. and i don't download.

i take it one day at a time. plus, i like so many kinds of music. i can only do what i can do.

just got a secret oyster album last year! didn't even remember they were on this list. good stuff.

scott seward, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:48 (nine years ago) link

I should clarify that I do like the 2 early AMM recs that I know were on vinyl (Ammusic and The Crypt) a lot more than the two later ones I namechecked up above.

sleeve, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 01:26 (nine years ago) link

Brainticket - so so so great
Comus - amateurist sent me a cdr of their first record years ago. is he still around? these guys are great.
Flying Lizards - love this one. are these guys like the cool/non nerdy residents? i dunno, never really listened to the residents.
Snatch (Judy Nylon) - post punk group. i heard a rad song on a brian eno comp.

co-sign all these, forgot about Snatch, "All I Want" is the jam

need to hear more Brainticket

I think I played out Flying Lizards "Herstory" at Cake Shop when Pete's band played there. The Roots sampled it on "Water."

dmr, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 03:13 (nine years ago) link

co-sign all these, forgot about Snatch, "All I Want" is the jam

yes! i have it on a comp - forget the title

sarahel, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 03:25 (nine years ago) link

Maybe a good way to start with Taj Mahal Travelers is Takehisa Kosugi's "Catch Wave" solo release?
IMO any fan of free drone could fall head over heels for them. I don't listen to them very often just because I feel like they deserve undivided attention.
It's got a "holy drone" vibe, I think.

The first thread I started on ILM (Swedish prog folk) was looking for more bands who do Swedish psych folk prog the way Algarnas Tradgard and Arbete och Fritid do it. I think I like Arbete och Fritid a lot more than most people on the board. "The European Way" is so epic!

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:06 (nine years ago) link

Taj Mahal Travellers C/D

am0n, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:18 (nine years ago) link

It's got a "holy drone" vibe, I think.

ok sold sold sold

69, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:06 (nine years ago) link

playing all nww list rekkerds next 2 hours, (til midnight eastern us time.)

not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:07 (nine years ago) link


O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:29 (nine years ago) link

ok so far this debris thing is something i should already know about holy shit

as for the NWW the big discovery for me was Smegma, but I went into it repping for This Heat so they are prob my fave

i should prob not get started on NWW album recommends tho because uh ill be here all night.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (nine years ago) link

Yes, ian, you star! Probably should go to bed rather than listening all night, though, it's already almost 4am.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:42 (nine years ago) link

emily the show will be archived and listenable from under the academy records show.
most of this stuff is pretty 'surface' level...

not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:45 (nine years ago) link

i am putting aside the howling wolf documentary i was going to watch to listen to this. i will try to resist a full on liveblog unless other people show up on this thread tho - but i do want to say this taj mahal travelers thing is def hitting the right chord with me at the moment - also one of the more direct nwwoundy things ive heard off the list

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:48 (nine years ago) link

Ah, brilliant ian, thanks. You have a lovely voice, btw.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:49 (nine years ago) link

aw thank you :)

not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:52 (nine years ago) link

oh and also re: the original thread question - cromagnon is one of the most mindblowing things i have ever heard (which i have to thank the metal alltime poll and emil.y for i think)

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 03:59 (nine years ago) link

ok why the hell dont i listen to comus all the time

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:02 (nine years ago) link

i know, i don't think i've pulled this record out in months.. so incredible.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:03 (nine years ago) link

this is so badass

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:05 (nine years ago) link

Haha, yeah, I was responsible for getting that Cromagnon on the noms for the metal poll. Was so made up that people voted for it.

And yeah, Comus = serious genius.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:05 (nine years ago) link

ian do you do a show this time every week?

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:11 (nine years ago) link

I have heard this International Harvester before, but never really paid much attention - going down a goddamn treat right now, though.

emil.y, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:11 (nine years ago) link

yeah i dl/ed a ton of the list, and this is reminding me why i hate doing that because i have realized that i only actually listen to stuff if i can hold it in my hands - so this is awesome.

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:13 (nine years ago) link

i'm listening too! i just heard crazy ian talking!

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:16 (nine years ago) link

jjusten, i don't do it EVERY week but maybe 75%-80% of the time. you can look in our show archives and it's pretty easy to figger out which shows are mine.

not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:17 (nine years ago) link

'crazy ian'

not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 04:17 (nine years ago) link

Well, you're in for a treat. The only tracks I recognize by name are Lard Free's "Warinobaril" and the Horrific Child's "Frayeur", but they're both stone cold classics. (The Horrific Child is probably the best record JP Massiera put out.) I know the others by name - the only Mahjun I spin regularly is a dodgy audience bootleg from a '76 French rock festival but it's a jam.

Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 01:27 (ten months ago) link

I have the ZNR record the track is from, I'm sure because of the list...

S-, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 11:36 (ten months ago) link

Not sure if I know the particular tracks, but Etron Fou Leloublan have some great stuff, also know Horrific Child, Henry and Guerin. Which means there's still a lot for me to discover there.

emil.y, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 13:38 (ten months ago) link

I did a weird French music of the 70s comp for a friend a few years ago that had most of these tracks and/or artists on it!

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:41 (ten months ago) link

Have never heard of Mahjun though.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:42 (ten months ago) link

are these all French bands?

sleeve, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:42 (ten months ago) link


Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:44 (ten months ago) link

a lot of these artists can also be found on the first disc of

that release is focused on super rare shit though

Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:41 (ten months ago) link

eight months pass...

£97 it's rare itself!

Mark G, Sunday, 22 March 2020 09:55 (two months ago) link

The strain-crack-break comp is on Spotify btw

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 22 March 2020 10:51 (two months ago) link

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