Black Metal!

what nazi crap do i ride for?

aren't you a burzum defender? my bad if not, I'm going to a movie though, will be back to slander you later

I am 100% onboard with aerosmith here, I mean it is super super o_O to be okay with Burzum and not Anselmo. But for me Pantera will always and forever be linked in my mind with the racist douchebags that used to beat the shit out of my friends in high school. So, dud.

i dont defend him, i refuse to buy anything he's ever made. 2 years ago I finally downloaded a couple of Burzum albums after what 15 years or something of avoiding him and other norwegian BM because of the whole nazi thing) and found that the music was actually quite good.
Siegbran is the one who will listen to nsbm because of the music but he is in no way a neo nazi or an indie metal defender. I refuse to listen to any of that nsbm stuff. I avoided drudkh for years because of rumours until they made the statement refuting it.

but can we not argue politics in metal again this year unless we have a particular reason like another new Burzum rec.... oh, wait

What is the case for Anselmo being a racist btw?

REally? I think I've read 2 or 3 interviews w/ Anselmo and they all started with the describing the creepy backwoods Lousisiana roads to get to his compound, and only finding by the GIANT confederate flag that fies over it...

..subtle.

And there is plenty of burzum haters on ilm who hate pantera too. its got fuck all to do with "indie rock"

(xp) Phil is a person with low intelligence with a penchant for self-abuse who likes a lot of good music and sometimes performed some himself.

I don't see why I cannot separate the bonehead from the bone crushing.

Hating a band because you do not like them is one thing; pinning that hate on personal politics is silly unless a case can be made that the personal politics fueled the music itself and I don't see that in Pantera but I am open to correction.

agreed...

Really Pantera also offended me on a personal level with the cover for Power Metal.

Color pencil IS very offensive..

One of the names for the metal band my friends and I talked about but never formed was Dustin Dimebagg.

more or less stupid than the real name the guitarist chose when he did form a band, Parallax?

dustin diamond

I'm listening to Ildjarn right now. Sounds like shit.

If only we had someone who knew about indie to tell us about indie metal. ilxor are you around? What BM bands does pitchfork like?

i dont know, i only read the belle & sebastian reviews, sheesh

You're a true ilxor, ilxor!

sorry to get even more aggro than usu. I've just been listening to lots of old metal with awesome musicians and I get all heated up when I hear some of the boring amateur burzum crap that people rep for all day getting lauded for its indie-rock "depth" over actually decent bands. algerian goalkeeper rides for a lot of nazi crap but since he can't translate it from norwegian or french it's no-harm no-foul I guess

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wtf are you even arguing?

it's called trolling I think

p bad job

he certainly picked on the wrong poster to say "rides for a lot of nazi crap" about.

fwiw I have actually paid for Burzum albums and Pantera albums. Pantera was easier tpo rationalize cuz the other dudes seemed like good guys, but it took me many years for Burzum.

That said, I pirated his last album...and spend a lot of time preaching against him to metalheads, and pointing out plenty of good non-NSBM black metal.

Really though the whole scene is shady. I felt sick to my stomach hearing the Faust (Bard Eithun) story after I'd already acquired every Emperor release known to man.

If we want to be pedantic Burzum isn't actually NSBM since his views aren't expressed on his songs (not to mention the fact that the classic albums were released before he went to prison where he then supposedly began to express his views).
But perhaps someone who was into the whole thing back then can tell us.

I can say w/pretty much 100% certainty that anselmo was ( at least in the early/mid 90s) a big supporter of white power bullshit, but I am leery of getting into specifics here because of day job stuff.

Learning norwegian on rosetta stone overnight brb

BTW, back in my record store days, we used to call albums that hinted at NSBM as "sketchy." I liked it and suggest we adapt that here.

Phil believes in White Pride. I remember getting in an argument with a Pantera dan who argued that White Pride was acceptable and not racist (lolwtf)

whatever Anselmo's deal was (I knew a lot of dudes like him when going to high school in TX so I have a pretty good idea), Pantera wasn't racist or about racism. their shtick eventually got tired, and they did spawn a lot of meat-head wannabes (so did fellow great 90s bands Faith No More and Sepultura imo), but Cowboys through Far Beyond Driven was a legendary run of albums that made a huge impact on today's metal. it's not a surprise to me that some younger metal dudes don't hold them in the same high regard as I do, but I guess it's understandable. maybe they just didn't age well... my dad didn't understand why I liked the Doors but not Iron Butterfly... maybe it's the same deal. it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that anyone into stoner/sludge stuff would be put off by Pantera, though.

I love Cowboys through Driven, though I have to admit I rebought Vulgar Display of Power.a few years ago and it has dropped immwnsely in standing with me since I first heard it.

Aside from the white power shot, I am able to hate pantera

I hate my phone

Aside from the white power vibe I m able to hate pantera thx to hating phils shitty shouty fake hardcore vocals. And I like plenty of hardcore, I just think it was a terrible thing to throw on top of some relatively decent riffy stuff I might have liked oultherwise. Just a bad fit for my ears I guess.

I still sometimes have a hard time believing he's the same dude that sang Cemetary Gates

Also I much prefer listening to Exhorder's Slaughter in the Vatican over Pantera anyday

understand why US folks might be more OK with weird racist dude from Norway over racist dude from the US South. not any better for sure, but i get it.

think the indie rock poser call out is some lame bullshit.

Also I much prefer listening to Exhorder's Slaughter in the Vatican over Pantera anyday

here here!!!

Not even knowing the contaversy that would be develop, back in the day I was like wow, Pantera sure does have some similarities to Exhorder.. I LOVE Exhorder.. I always thought they were very underrratted and it was unfortunate that they were never able to record a good soundding record. But the riffage is amazing. And dudes vox were very original, until Phil decided to lift that style usuing dude from Sacred Reich's voice..

i always liked this cover:

http://www.rpmmotorsportstulsa.com/Greg/PITJ.jpg

i like the colors. already kind of a "sketchy" album title! don't know what the song is about though. never heard it.

i never listened to pantera. i've never heard a whole album. would see their videos on mtv and never thought much about them.

i purposely avoided pantera cuz of sketchy hesher dudes in high school that i didn't like

yeah, i didn't even really have an opinion back then. i knew they were around and big in the 90's, but there was so much other awesome metal to listen to back then. and if i wanted to hear knucklehead stuff i could always pull out an old youth of today or slapshot album when i was drunk.

Does anyone know a fan of glam pantera? (from the actual time) just to see what they think of what followed.

the whole industrial metal thing passed me by in the 90's too. machine head. never listened to biohazard. felt like a rehash of the 80's crossover stuff i liked. i mean i loved agnostic front and first cro mags album, so, again, its not like i was allergic to brootal mosh shit.

but the 90's had such great NEW sounds! exciting sounds.

I like some pantera songs just fine but jjjusten otm about phil's fake shouty hardcore vox. "walk" is so lame.

ARE YOU TALKIN TO ME?
NO WAY, PUNK

also read a decibel interview with phil a few months ago and he was bragging about how he beat up some guy in the 80s. cool guy.

and from a purely lyrical perspective, burzum songs are basically all about forests but phil's tough guy lyrics are definitely something of a turnoff for me.

and i don't want to do that whole "they did it better when i was a lad..." thing. its just that i had been listening to metal + punk crossover stuff for almost a decade before pantera hit it big, so it just wasn't exciting to me in a way that it would have been exciting to a teenager in the early 90's or whatever. when pantera became huge eyehategod were one of my favorite bands.

i never listen to burzum either actually. i have some of the vinyl reissues that came out but i never play them. i like that old stuff though. i'd probably rather listen to old bathory albums these days.

i just keep playing that new inquisition album. man, i cannot get enough of that.