what does this pfm song review thingy even mean anyway?

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This is all going back to my hobby horse about how people who are music critics seem to be allergic to actual music analysis and rely heavily on Barney-fucking-Grimace prose to distract the reader from their lack of technical knowledge.

most music fans and music magazine readers have as little or less 'technical knowledge' as the writers, so unless your readership was of a level of, say, readers of Guitarist magazine or another title aimed at musicians, then that wouldn't work, because the reader wouldn't necessarily understand the technical terms being (ab)used. which isn't to say your point of view is in any way invalid, but you're representing a faction of a music mag's readership.

as an avid reader of the music press growing up, i always loved writers who could demystify the technical aspects of the music just a little, but i never anted someone to lay it open. and i was always more interested in how this music related to its influence, contemporaries, followers, etc, and the experience of the musicians and how it impacted their art. and as a writer now, yes, i'm of limited technical knowledge regarding how the music is made, but i honestly don't believe that impacts on my ability to discuss the music. because i rarely appreciate it in terms of technical brilliance, but rather the personality of the music (for want of about a million better phrases), a more emotional response, i guess.

and i'm not really sure how a review's value judgement could be anything other than subjective.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Saturday, 7 January 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

you can call me 'thread-killa' if you like

i am not a nugget (stevie), Saturday, 7 January 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I really like threads like this -- I'm working on some reviews this weekend, and between this and the end-of-week Christgau stuff I feel a whole lot more clear and focused on what I want them to accomplish.

So the more I think about it, maybe the kind of criticism we're all wary of here stems from exactly the stuff Mickey is advocating -- maybe thinking about these things as "just an album review" is exactly what causes the problem. If it's "just an album review," then why not freewheel and reference and slang it out? Whereas the clearest criticism -- in lots of different arts -- tends to come around when someone has something important to say about the world beyond the art itself. Because it has something to communicate beyond just describing the record for you, something that's actually more ambitious than that.

nabiscothingy (nory), Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

pitchfork writers are impressive writers. the problem is that writing is different than music. and the only way you can critique a song is by writing (musically) your reaction to it. the original song is strictly a musical reaction to something musical, and maybe a couple personal events mixed in. i mean, it's all about reactions. and the writer's reaction is not musical, so it's confusing and she should at least write a musical score to accompany her words, so that way we can know if we can trust her.
boris yeltsin

boris yeltsin, Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

most music fans and music magazine readers have as little or less 'technical knowledge' as the writers, so unless your readership was of a level of, say, readers of Guitarist magazine or another title aimed at musicians, then that wouldn't work, because the reader wouldn't necessarily understand the technical terms being (ab)used. which isn't to say your point of view is in any way invalid, but you're representing a faction of a music mag's readership.

Guilty as charged! Although really if one goal of writing about music is to get people thinking about it, why is trying to teach your reader a little bit about the way the song is put together such a verboten thing?

Dan (And So On) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

people get real defensive when they feel dumm.

miss michel legrand (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 8 January 2006 05:06 (eighteen years ago) link

A quality review is one anybody can understand, regardless of how well-read they are. It takes skill to be descriptive while simultaneously being clear. There's no substitute for simply saying what you mean in a way that allows any given reader to understand it.

name:, Sunday, 8 January 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Although really if one goal of writing about music is to get people thinking about it, why is trying to teach your reader a little bit about the way the song is put together such a verboten thing?

dude, it totally shouldn't be! though i wouldn't be able to write that review.

my uncle often sends me letters saying he doesn't understand the stuff of mine that runs in the London Times, which is frustrating because that's generally the least-opaque, least-artful, most-straightforward stuff i write, and i *want (sometimes) to be understood by *everyone. he also clips out pieces in the paper that he liked better than mine, as 'guidance'.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Sunday, 8 January 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link


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