overplayed style

yeah see i stuff my shotgun shell pockets with d cell batteries so i can get that real authentic look

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:20 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this just reminds me of a time in 7th grade study hall when my discman was out of batteries so i leaned over and jokingly asked this one D&D/gamer lookin dude if he happened to have any batteries and he did. his pockets were full of fucking batteries. it was totally weird

nah teak is cool w/ me

maybe just don't dress like a woodsman as you politely ask the dude in the reeboks & wranglers to load the credenza into yr mercedes van

Contrast that with designer heels that are functionally no different from cheap heels, sometimes down to appearance

This not actually true, but w/e, not germane to thread.

craftsmanship will not save u from the yawning abyss of technology fyi

mercedes van

You mean your Dodge Sprinter, right?

But you paid xtra for the Merc branding kit to be installed at the dealership.

Because of, u know, craftsmanship.

speaking of technology how abt this new term for craftsmanship where there is no craftsman 'build quality'

laurel: that's the one

I love this thread so much, it's all about how 20-sthing hipsters want to my life or something??? Hilarious!

you know what i always thought were awesome these amc eagle if a truck was a car units - feel like the urban woodsman should get into it

http://grab.by/8XMW

But the menswear aesthetic of focusing on craft and history (if not real world function) is not without its merits compared to fashion as a whole.

'craft' has its merits - i mean im wearing edward green oxfords atm - but my point was more about how menswear almost needs to come pacakged w/ this kind of narrative in order for dudes to pay $$$$. the totemic qualities of 'craft' and 'quality' are p easily coopted imo & its a helpful & less self-deluding to admit that we dress for others n/h

My midwestern, woodworking, auto-repairing, LL Bean flannel and Carhartt-wearing dad has a Sprinter. Dodge logo package, because it cost extra for the Merc one and he just laughed.

feel like the 'well I'm never gonna have to replace this because it's SO WELL MADE' argument is often made just to justify having to pay a ridiculous amount for something you really wanted for other reasons - like, if you do the math, replacing it 10 times could be cheaper.

Seriously it's like you/they all want to be my dad. He has like EEE-wide feet, btw, but has never even for a second considered $400 custom work boots, I can promise you that. I can picture the face he would make right now if I even mentioned it.

lol did not know abt the dodge/benz premium pricing van scam, my god

you know what i always thought were awesome these amc eagle if a truck was a car units - feel like the urban woodsman should get into it

totes mcgotes. i wanted one of these so bad as a kid

it looks like a donk right out the box!

ok also if mercedes made their militaristic jeep in the shape of a car itd be so rad

http://grab.by/8XNv

feel like the 'well I'm never gonna have to replace this because it's SO WELL MADE' argument is often made just to justify having to pay a ridiculous amount for something you really wanted for other reasons - like, if you do the math, replacing it 10 times could be cheaper.

― iatee, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

otm. even though i can be a 'well-made' fetishist (p common among bike jerks) the simple fact is that cheap disposable jobs are likely cheaper. plus, the ppl that actually ~do the manly stuff~ that yr urban lumberjack just use whatever's close to hand. a friend of mine built his own house in rural NH and i can assure you that he wasn't using heirloom woodworking tools and wearing filson tincloth pants. it was cheap-end power tools and jeans and sneakers and tshirts all the way

xp driving those merc jeeps is sort of an experience, tbh. like the doors are just so fucking heavy and close with this solemn, teutonic "clunk". they're just so ~well-made~

Yeah, I think the Sprinters ship from the factory as Freightliner/Dodge Sprinter even though really everything about them is Mercedes-engineered. But to have all the places where there are logos changed costs some token amount, I don't remember the number. And by "token", I'm thinking it was like some thousands of dollars?

also fwiw the prep/lumberjack thing go pretty hand in hand, imo. i mean, the lumbery fashion ppl are pretty explicitly emulating an archetypical American Country Gentleman that is only rugged and handsome when he happens to be at the "cottage" in upstate NY or VT or ME or w/e. i have met these people. when they're in the city (or at the beach or w/e), they dress preppy. when they're antiquing in woodstock, vt, they're in flannel and $500 boots. they're not fashionable, they're just ~rich~. that's why these two currents are perennial styles, imo, ppl like to look expensive.

it'd be like if ppl in england started fetishizing what wealthy english "farmers" wore as they tramped around the property with a shotgun broken over their arm....oh wait

Yeah, I could find 13EE or 14EE boots that look like the LL Beans above. Or beige Timbs. But they look like crap and would cost about as much over six or seven years (I kill those kind of trail hikers in a year, easily). If I could still buy DM 1460s that fit comfortably, it would be great.

(one exception - LL Bean Katahdin Engineer Boots - ~$150, and I had a pair of them before the White's. But they're still expensive and much less comfortable)

I'm not saying they aren't a luxury or that I didn't buy them in part on looks (same reason I always loved Docs - they were suitable for all occasions). But their construction was also a legit selling point for me.

tl;dr -- both of these styles in their purest form just scream "old money" to me.

Well duh.

I'm not saying they aren't a luxury or that I didn't buy them in part on looks (same reason I always loved Docs - they were suitable for all occasions). But their construction was also a legit selling point for me.

yeah I think this is a fine way to put it...I just dislike when someone tries to argue that by buying expensive shit they're actually being very pragmatic people who are saving money. I mean there are probably some cases when this is true (when the $ margin between expensive and cheap isn't huge but the quality margin is) but it's realllly not a universal truth.

ugh i should just figure out how to make $$$ on the cult of authenticity, then i wouldn't sound like such a hater

selling thrifted brooks bros makers ties @ $40 a pop (i have been considering this tbh)

Kind of disagree about what real-world people do. If you work construction for a living, you buy the best tools you can afford. Ridgid, for instance, costs more but they're robust and when we do manage to jack one up I've got a lifetime warranty from any Home Depot.

teak credenza

can I just

just figure out what the next in line value to be considered authentic is elmo

ugh i should just figure out how to make $$$ on the cult of authenticity, then i wouldn't sound like such a hater

Style blog, duh.

I'd never heard of Filson before this thread and I don't know any of these boot manufacturers, really I am not up on what constitutes the trendy or super high-end parts of this trend at all.

xp to milo: I'm not meaning to hate on your style, but you didn't buy those boots to drip motor oil all over them. Yes, people whose lives or livelihoods depend on their clothing or equipment are going to buy the best they can reasonably afford but WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD IS STILL SEVERAL RUNGS DOWN from all these luxury woodsman goods.

maybe we just need to settle this with a credenza build-off

ugh i should just figure out how to make $$$ on the cult of authenticity, then i wouldn't sound like such a hater

just start a line repurposing mid 90s menswear - pleats volume prominent belts - i wld def be into it. u can call it 'Bohemian Softwear' itll be so rad

Laurel, I wear them every day to work. Which is construction. When I paint, I put on footies, but I do that with any shoe.
White's main demo is actual honest to God working people - primarily firefighters, loggers and western ranchers.

*forest firefighters.

Sorry, milo -- I meant to post that with more uncertainty, since actually I had no idea what you do for a living or a hobby or anything, but with emails coming in and other distractions, I just dashed off the post.

lol lamp i'm feeling this -- thinking broad camel blazers -- silk shirts -- oxblood monks -- autumnal palettes w/ cobalt accents -- kinda mizrahi

yeah I think this is a fine way to put it...I just dislike when someone tries to argue that by buying expensive shit they're actually being very pragmatic people who are saving money. I mean there are probably some cases when this is true (when the $ margin between expensive and cheap isn't huge but the quality margin is) but it's realllly not a universal truth.

― iatee, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:20 AM (37 minutes ago)

but replacing the object isn't just about the replacement cost - it's also the time spent replacing the object, deciding what to replace it with in case the design has changed. And it is also about being faced with failure -- the failure of the object to endure. Maybe the grief is very minor, like coping with the death of a $1 goldfish, but still - this thing you treasured is now dead, and it can be kinda sad. What do you do with its corpse?

good advice lamp 4 sure, luv it

just start a line repurposing mid 90s menswear - pleats volume prominent belts - i wld def be into it. u can call it 'Bohemian Softwear' itll be so rad

― Kabutt (Lamp), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:31 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw this is kind of a toronto vibe isnt it

Sarahel: clearly that's not it, because Real men don't grieve for their utilitarian objects.

sometimes they blame others for the untimely demise

so glad I don't live on the east coast

I thought Real Dudes were more likely to grieve over utilitarian items. Their high-school baseball glove, favorite fishing pole, etc.

it took one of my "Real Man" friends several years to stop blaming his ex-wife for the death of his AMC Pacer, and just accept the fact that things die, and that car wasn't particularly well-made.

xp Yes but in those cases they must do it secretly and/or sheepishly, a little emotional moment that they're allowing themselves but which they believe to be out of character for themselves and all other Real Men. If someone else were to, say, walk into the room while they were crooning over a broken ax handle or something, they would have to pretend to be looking at the flaw really closely and put it down right away.

it is a manly kind of grief

an informal moment of silence for the irreparably damaged Dewalt