Home Truths

What I want to know is : what is this 'diamond seller' bullshit? Someone has the right to know if they've been 'sold' like a piece of meat.

momus you are such a conformist.

He's already released an album called The Ultraconformist, so he shan't take that as an insult.

momus you fail to acknowledge your own position in the silencing of people. uberintellectualism and obscure art only has the value that it has BECAUSE IT EXCLUDES AND SILENCES those without education and knowledge of art. what i'm saying is how much you are railing against the system is definitely up for debate.

"excludes and silences" -- i'm not sure what that means because i don't know if i understand what's meant by 'value' -- isn't that a bit like defining a painting based on its use of negative space? does my knowledge of, say, math and physics only have value because others might not have this knowledge? ie it's possible, but sometimes it's easier to talk about things based on what they are, rather than what they aren't -- instead of continually defining your 'value' based on a series of seemingly arbitrary constraints?

*Momus:It's possible, too, that some people have too much self- esteem to feel the need to prove themselves by creative work. Good- loooking people, for instance, people loved deeply and unconditionally by their families and friends. Why on earth would they need to create anything except babies?*

Urgh! Those lines make me shudder. I hope he didn't mean for them to sound the way they do to me. Apparently, this argument is about John Peel but that just made me imagine a row of pretty but moronic girls, knees spread, crying "Impregnate me because I could never hope to achieve anything else in life!". It seems hateful of the housewife, a male disdain for the drudgery, the "less important" role of raising children. Can mothers and fathers not produce some of the most beautiful pieces of art, even more beautiful because it deals with their children? I am thinking of Mahler's Kindertotenlieder and Schumann's Scenes from Childhood. Flemish art that depicted domestic life (specifically female roles such as laceworkers and spinners) or Caravaggio's fortune tellers and local peasants were both considered controversial because it deviated from the 'high art' of the typical classical, elevated heroic mode. Jesus, I don't know how old John Peel is but he must be getting up there. He can't be dealing with bouncing girls and perfumed sex gardens forever, can he? That would be incredibly depressing. Everyone else will eventually have to deal with liver spots/sagging breasts/wrinkled penises which will not impress the cute girl/boy out there unless we happen to be fabulously wealthy. By then, will perfumed sex gardens even matter? No, you'll be hoping that you have grandchildren to take care of, tell stories to, admire their potential. Well, that is what I will be hoping anyways. Oh I am letting this thread frustrate me, sorry!

or have i misread what you are trying to say?

di: what things are = "mmmm pies" thread, which is where i'm going now - if i choose to fill my bandwidth with pecan pie rather than wilde, will the aficionados of eccentricity call me a traitor?

what i most loved about this thread so far was momus' little tantrum about "most artists not hanging around after someone calls them an asshole..." make way for the ARTISTE. except to about 2/3 of the people who post here who've never heard your music, to whom yr just another prat.

This thread and the Intellectuals and the masses thread which continues it: 426 posts.

'SOMETHING GOOD ON TELLY ALERT' thread: 1 post. Mmm Pies: 76.

Come on, admit it, you love it!

momus for someone living in a perfumed sex garden you sure do post a lot.

I think there's a terminal round the back of the second grotto, ethan.

Sexy, posting, whatever. 'It's very stimulating', in the words of Tracer's double.

This thread vs N.'s bras thread vs Lord of the Rings FITE.

Hey, guys, there's something good on the telly. Something very, very creative. It's sort of difficult, not for most. But I know you'll love it.

The first time I AIM'ed ethan, he mistook me for Momus.

Ethan, what the fuck.

Whats on the telly? They are talking about the budget on ITV! They are asking members of the public what they think!

I think he was being an insufferable cunt by talking irrefutable pabulum.

Or being slightly cruel. Rise, my son, rise.

I've got some sweet, wild, devastating news for you Momus: I think you are so wrong about the difference between Marc Bolan and Viv X from suburbia! Marc Bolan was the great baroque poet of the trivial, the fantasist of suburbia surely - like lots of the British psychedelic musicians. Marc Bolan wrote 'I've got some sweet, wild, devastating news for you baby - it's Christmas time again!' And if John Peel's doing the same thing, perhaps he's simply becoming sort of an 'artist' himself.

I have just returned from an evening making hard ghouse w/charvers & have thus missed all this which lokks somewhat interesting & i will read it in a little while etc. To answer momus' original question, yes home truths is bloody rubbish. My parents used to litsten to it, but seem to have given up ov late. From what I have heard ov it it did seem a little more interesting at first. Perhaps, like Eurotrash, it ran out of interesting weirdos, but kept going on & on nevertheless, despite having probably scraped through thee bottom ov thee barrel. As I become older & more & more embittered, life does sometimes seem somewhat "us & them". Being interested in, & attempting to create anything in an art-for-art's sake creative manner does seem to seperate one from the rest of, like humanity or something. It depresses me a little, partly b/c one wonders what do all these people that one sees actually do? What are they interested in? (etc) and partly b/c One envies this state where one is boring, but has money & "success". A little bit of an aside, which may or may not be relevant is that we do have friends who we like dearly who are into the normality lifestyle, and I do envy them. All of their things that they own actually work, eg a reasonably new motor-car which always works instead of a tatty old saab that needs a new driveshaft, a hopuse which is not falling to bits etc etc. However, two such folks, by which I mean thee male 1/2s ov het relationships, I haf found out via my delightful & charming wife's gossip w/their husbands, are intensely & phearfully jealous of ME. This is clearly insane. I am a complete fuxing crank. I sit & dick about w/modular synthesisers, making CD albums that sell <500 copies. My car is a wreck. I cycle 20 miles to work 2wice a week - clearly thee action ov a loony. I have long greying hair & a beard. I have no money. I have no money. I have no money. All ov this they are jealous ov. WHY for fuxake? I am a fucked up loser. They are "winners". I am baffled (& also v.tired & losing the plot) Apolofgies if thiz duplicates that already posted elsewhere. Answer to one of momus questions is that one has to ration one's headspace, and ignore the shit. Some of the "geniuses" are interesting, but most of them are rubbish. Most of the "breeders" are rubbish, but some of them are very interesting.
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Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit