ILX Best Films of the 1970s

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Howdy partners, only THREE MORE DAYS left to vote. I've received about 25 ballots, I think. I believe the top film will be one that you think would be in the top 10, but not the winner. The reveal should be fun.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to double the number of ballots I've received so far. I know you can do it ILX. Tell your friends, your relatives, anybody to vote. C'mon. Do it. Harder.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Ali: Fear Eats the Soul
2. Dog Day Afternoon
3. Taxi Driver
4. The Conversation
5. Annie Hall
6. Dawn of the Dead
7. F for Fake
8. Jaws
9. Patton
10. Cabaret
11. Apocalypse Now
12. Carrie
13. The Godfather (Part I)
14. The Deer Hunter
15. Young Frankenstein
16. Chinatown
17. Aguirre the Wrath of God
18. Barry Lyndon
19. Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
20. A Clockwork Orange

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Saturday, 20 August 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a reminder, the deadline for ballots is at 12:00pm, Noon, Central Standard Time on Monday. I will not be accepting any ballots after that.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 20 August 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Just submitted mine, which is:

1. The Creeping Flesh (dir. Freddie Francis, 1973)
2. The Optimists of Nine Elms (dir. Anthony Simmons, 1974)
3. Chinatown (dir. Roman Polanski, 1974)
4. House of Mortal Sin (dir. Pete Walker, 1975)
5. Radio On (dir. Christopher Petit, 1979)
6. The Shout (dir. Jerzy Skolimowski, 1978)
7. The Wicker Man (dir. Robin Hardy, 1973)
8. Breaking Away (dir. Peter Yates, 1979)
9. Death Line (dir. Gary Sherman, 1972)
10. Get Carter (dir. Mike Hodges, 1971)
11. Picnic at Hanging Rock (dir. Peter Weir, 1975)
12. O Lucky Man! (dir. Lindsay Anderson, 1973)
13. Eskimo Nell (dir. Martin Campbell, 1974)
14. Sweeney! (dir. David Wickes, 1976)
15. Jubilee (dir. Derek Jarman, 1977)
16. 10 Rillington Place (dir. Richard Fleischer, 1970)
17. Walkabout (dir. Nicolas Roeg, 1971)
18. House of Whipcord (dir. Pete Walker, 1974)
19. The Conversation (dir. Francis Ford Coppola, 1974)
20. Eraserhead (dir. David Lynch, 1977)

You will note something of an anglocentric bias (I am at the moment working on a dissertation on British cinema of the seventies), and an attempt to broaden the sort of films getting in. It's more of a favourite than necessarily a 'best' list, but certainly strongly felt. There are some very underrated films, awaiting rediscovery, in this decade... and plenty of emphasis in the twenty above upon corruption and collapse. The 'devil's decade', indeed. Something of an Indian Summer for British horror, I would argue... which very sadly petered out mid-way through the 1970s.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 21 August 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I sincerely hope "Star Wars" does not do well: it remains a sad marker for what happened to the mainstream in subsequent decades. Guinness was spot-on, frankly. I'm thinking there will be far more of worth in similarly massive hits such as "Jaws" and "American Graffiti", neither of which (bizarrely) I have seen.

"Network"... good film, certainly, but rather flawed. I mainly remember it for Peter Finch, who is marvellous; reminds me, I need to see "Sunday Bloody Sunday".

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 21 August 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Good job folks, keep them coming, a little over a day left for voting.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Also Tom, you by far have the most unique ballot submitted. Most of those films were only voted for by you.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

ALso, i'm gong back and forth how many films I want to do on the official reveal. 100 would be nice, but there are a lot of ties at the bottom of the poll. I thought counting points and total number of overall votes would keep that from happening. Wouldn't have that problem with 50.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I always think that nothing should get in on the basis of only one vote.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Number 89 is the highest one with just one vote right now. I just need more ballots!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, since other people posted their votes here, I might as well do that too:

1. Andrei Tarkovsky: Stalker
2. Marco Ferreri: La Grande bouffe (aka The Grande Bouffe)
3. Woody Allen: Annie Hall
4. François Truffaut: L'Argent de poche (aka Pocket Money)
5. Sam Peckinpah: Cross of Iron
6. Emile de Antonio: Millhouse
7. Tage Danielsson: Picassos äventyr (aka The Adventures of Picasso)
8. Stanley Kubrick: A Clockwork Orange
9. Woody Allen: Manhattan
10. Roman Polanski: Le Locataire (aka The Tenant)
11. Robert Altman: MASH
12. Milos Forman: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
13. Stanley Kubrick: Barry Lyndon
14. Roman Polanski: Chinatown
15. Steven Spielberg: 1941
16. Jean-Pierre Melville: Le Cercle rouge (aka The Red Circle)
17. Robert Benton: Kramer vs. Kramer
18. John Huston: The Man Who Would Be King
19. Terry Jones: Life of Brian
20. Francis Ford Coppola: Apocalypse Now


The seventies is a kinda difficult decade for me: having been born in 1979, I haven't really seen enough of the classics (especially those made outside the States) to give a comprehensive vote. Also, a lot of the classics, like Godfather, simply don't move me... Like Morbius said, the Godfathers are men's films, with lots of style and violence and honour and paternal/fraternal drama, but personally I find their world so removed from my own that there's simply nothing for me to root for. Admittedly, I did vote for The Red Circle, but that film is about pure style only, and it doesn't claim to be anything more. I also had lots of trouble deciding whether or not I should include Apocalypse Now, but in the end I thought that Brando's mumblings at the end don't ruin an otherwise good film.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, I sent the vote via e-mail too, if that was unclear.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, it felt a bit useless to vote for Millhouse or La Grande bouffe or Picassos äventyr because they probably won't get any other votes, but whatever.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's mine. Anything but the top 5 or 6 could probably sub out for things that aren't on it, depending on the day. And I somewhat arbitrarily limited myself to one movie per director.

1. The Godfather Part II
2. Aguirre the Wrath of God
3. Taxi Driver
4. Eraserhead
5. McCabe & Mrs. Miller
6. Cabaret
7. Badlands
8. Hearts & Minds
9. Ali: Fear Eats the Soul
10. Annie Hall
11. Little Big Man
12. Star Wars
13. Walkabout
14. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
15. The Last Picture Show
16. In the Realm of the Senses
17. The Spirit of the Beehive
18. Alien
19. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
20. Over the Edge

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 21 August 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

JAYMC, I still haven't received your ballot!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I have received tons of ballots today though. Good job, this poll is going to be great.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I will, Jeff. Maybe I will deliver it IN PERSON, haha.

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Some teasers:

4 films have received over 200 points
17 have received over 100 points
The most first place votes for any one film is 2
29 films have received first place votes

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 21 August 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Joint list from me/RJG

(1) Annie Hall
(2) The Warriors
(3) Chinatown
(4) Harold & Maude
(5) All The President's Men
(6) The Conversation
(7) The French Connection
(8) Five Easy Pieces
(9) Capricorn One
(10) Save The Tiger
(11) The Sting
(12) Dog Day Afternoon
(13) The Godfather Part Two
(14) Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory
(15) Barry Lyndon
(16) Sleeper
(17) High Plains Drifter
(18) Time After Time
(19) The Man Who Fell To Earth
(20) M*A*S*H

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

4 1/2 hours left to submit ballots

I've received 6 this morning, for a whopping 42 overall.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's my list:

1. Amarcord
2. The Godfather
3. The Godfather Part II
4. Annie Hall
5. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
6. Cries and Whispers
7. Le Cercle Rouge
8. Play It Again Sam
9. That Obscure Object of Desire
10. Manhattan
11. Chinatown
12. The Conversation
13. Apocalypse Now
14. A Clockwork Orange
15. Taxi Driver
16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
17. Marathon Man
18. Being There
19. Straw Dogs
20. Monty Python and the Holy Grail

jedidiah (jedidiah), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say it's pretty useless to vote for any foreign films, notwithstanding the tokenish-feeling votes for Fellini, Fassbinder, Herzog etc. That can't compete with all-English-lang ballots that include Capricorn One.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

bla. its useless to vote for foreign films that never had a uk/us dvd release, that much is true

fe7 (FE7), Monday, 22 August 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

THREE HOURS REMAINING

xpost Dr Morbius, you'd be surprised, several foreign films are doing extremely well.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link


I'd predict the top 100 will lack any films 1) from Africa or 2) directed by a woman.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

...as does any top 100 published anywhere. It's not ILX's fault, it's the way of the world. (Which doesn't mean it's not a bad thing.)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

>any top 100 published anywhere<

I somehow think there's a '70s film poll somewhere on Earth that included Seven Beauties, Harlan County USA, or any by Ousmane Sembene, Elaine May, or Margarethe von Trotta in the top 100 of the decade.

Since the '70s are considered an off-decade for Kurosawa, I can't see any Asian directors, or black Americans besides Van Peebles or maybe Gordon Parks, being mentioned either.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

We're so sorry for being too yobbish for your tastes! As much as I'd like to, not everyone has the chance to see these films... I don't own a DVD nor a TV set, so I rely on our local film archive for older films.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

>not everyone has the chance to see these films<

Then it doesn't make sense to vote. I'm not a huge fiction reader so I'd never partcipate in a "best novels of all time" poll.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the idea of needing a working knowledge of Margarethe von Trotta to participate in a 70's poll on ILE is sort of unworkable.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, next time I'll be sure to watch every movie ever made before casting a preference.

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

weve had this debate before

fe7 (FE7), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Sadly, yes.

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

You mean the debate in which Dr. Morbius declines to cast a ballot but hangs around anyway to deride the pointlessness of the exercise and be condescending about everyone else's ballots? Yes, we have. I think it's cute.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it's not pointless ... everyone gets to self-satisfactorily celebrate a bunch of FAMOUS American movies everyone has seen, and you all show you ghettoize foreign cinema the way you do foreign music.

Ally C/RJG, just one foreign-language film would be a jump in ambition. (no Towering Inferno?)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

On that note, may I ask whomever does the 60s poll to return to the 30-film ballot? I could do a "Top 20" on just flicks from Europe and Asia.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

morbius, I haven't noticed you, before

why such a fanny?

RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

morbius, if they wanted their films to be popular, maybe they should have made them in english then, huh, huh? didja ever think about that?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i ll never get the 'its just not fair!! people arent supposed to be like this' line of arguing. xxxpost

fe7 (FE7), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

AAAGH. I've missed the deadline. Can I send mine in now, or will it not get counted?

emil.y (emil.y), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's my ballot. I thought the films listed in this thread were the nominees so I probably left out some things I would have voted for otherwise.

1. A Clockwork Orange
2. The Rocky Horror Picture Show
3. Aguirre the Wrath of God
4. El Topo
5. Phantom of the Paradise
6. Shampoo
7. Weekend
8. Performance
9. Up in Smoke
10. Harold & Maude
11. Satan's Brew
12. Solaris
13. Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
14. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls
15. The Brood
16. The Long Goodbye
17. Susperia
18. Killing of a Chinese Bookie
19. The Muppet Movie
20. Dawn of the Dead

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Oops, I changed El Topo to the Holy Mountain.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, in retrospect I would have included Minnie and Moskowitz rather than Killing of a Chinese Bookie.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I understand Morbius' perspective. If I'd seen as much as he appears to have, I might feel the same way. Or maybe I'd still put Coppola at the top, who knows. (See all the critics who vote for The Godfather and Citizen Kane in Sight and Sound's poll.) I probably wouldn't be as snotty about it, but that's just me. I've come to think of him as an endearing presence on these threads, the hectoring crank quietly fuming in the corner and periodically letting you know he still thinks you're an idiot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 22 August 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck, I forgot Superfly.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really not convinced too many ppl here are idiots. I just wish you were less incurious about the breadth of an art form before you make retrospective lists. e.g., I find some of kranz's picks overrated or even dreadful, but at least he's seen a lot.

wk, which "Weekend"? cuz the Godard film is '67.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Who's incurious? Not having seen things =/= not wanting to see them, it just means you haven't seen it yet. And not having something on a ballot also =/= not having seen it. It's possible to see an awful lot of movies and still think, e.g., that Star Wars deserves a place on a 1970s film poll. (You can make an equally good case that Star Wars is terrible; but then, you can also make a case that Bresson is terrible. I wouldn't agree with either of those positions, but I could respect people who did.) (And I left off the only 1970s Bresson I've seen -- Lancelot -- because I found it ponderous. Which at least is something you can't say about Star Wars. Or I suppose you could. But I wouldn't.)

Point being, you're making an awful lot of assumptions about people's range of curiosity and exposure based on what they put on a message-board film-poll ballot. While refusing, of course, to submit your own list for similar assessment (admiration or derision). I'd personally like to see your list, because there are probably things on it I'd like to see. Your mention of Sembene has already prompted me to add Xala to my Netflix queue. If you're actually enthusiastic about the art form rather than scoring some kind of imagined intellectual superiority points, you've got an audience here of people interested in movies who'd probably like to hear your recommendations. But that doesn't seem to be your aim. Being condescending about other people's taste and/or level of expertise is cheap and easy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

*applause*

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Silent Running
Soylent Green

jel -- (jel), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link


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