Larry Charles to direct Borat movie

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(sorry Alba I didn't mean to confuse with my sarcasm)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Armond fact check:

introduced to U.S. audiences in the music video for Madonna’s 1998 single “Music”

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

huh? nobody over here had any idea who the guy was until around the HBO show was announced and some early boots were circulated.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's crazy that our culture is so screwed up that Armond White has a job writing film reviews.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) "Music" came out in 2000.

They’ve given up on the idea that pop culture can be a unifying force and so praise movies that make them feel superior to others.

If Armond really believed this, he'd consider his own status as film criticism's most prominent contrarian.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Borat doesn’t dare degrade N.Y./L.A. media-centers or their social presumptions.

Dude just watch it in a double-feature with Team America or something

nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"Borat doesn’t dare degrade N.Y./L.A. media-centers or their social presumptions."

What a moron.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

armond white really strikes me as a despicable person

gear (gear), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

He seems universally despised - why does he have the position he does in the first place?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

He's just crazy. Everything is some deranged conspiracy taken to the extreme. Oh no some people find Spielberg tawdry and over-sentimental! It's not because his films sentimentalism is grating to some people. No it's because most people frothing anti-semites who are ignorant to the beautiful wonders of cinema. And only deluded pompous "liberals" from NYC/LA/SF think that anyway.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Because people read him.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

He is probably right, though. I must hate people because I love reading him ... hating people.

(x-post) Offhand, I don't think he's ever passed off Spielberg hate as widespread anti-Semitism but rather anti-sensation, or something to that effect.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe so, thankfully I don't read him enough to know. The point about his crazed conspiratorial absolutism stands.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

he's a terrible writer. any one of his negative reviews could apply to any film he's ever disliked. just replace the title and names as appropriate. dude's like peter travers in that way.

gear (gear), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

HBO Comedy is starting a marathon of both seasons of Da Ali G Show starting tomorrow at noon (eastern).

I want to see this, but I'm having trouble not thinking about the tv producer in Jackson who lost his job because he got duped.

Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

That story (the producer was a she, I believe) doesn't make me think poorly of the film or SBC, but more of the stupid network that would fire her for being duped.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was Ali G in the "Beautiful Stranger" video? I can't remember. Whatever video where he drove her around in the car.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

That slate article seems to have taken what it wanted from the television series and ignored the other half; the fact is that 'borat 2' always existed alongside 'borat 1' on the series itself.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how Armond White unfavorably compares Borat to fucking JIMINY GLICK

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah alot of shit in the movie was 'smarter' than the tv stuff id seen

and what (ooo), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost)

I was going to say the same about Talledega Nights.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Borat doesn’t dare degrade N.Y./L.A. media-centers or their social presumptions."

watch one Bruno Ali G skit.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it was pretty bad overall.

No variety, terrible pacing - a few funny moments along the way, but overall just very tedious. If it had been a DVD I would have stopped it every 30 minutes to go do something else.

Not half as funny overall as Jackass, I much prefer comedy where the ridicule is internal vs. making fun of people who are otherwise unsuspecting.

milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I even felt bad for the Pentecostals, and I didn't think that was possible. Leave the poor snake-handlers to do their shit in private, please.

milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

That slate article seems to have taken what it wanted from the television series and ignored the other half; the fact is that 'borat 2' always existed alongside 'borat 1' on the series itself.

OTM, even in the same SEGMENT as the "Throw the Jew Down the Well" scene, you had Borat teaching "Kazakh" folk dances to a square dance group ("walk like a homosexual", "beat the gypsy", and so on).

Why would someone centre his longass "critique" around a scene he admittedly saw only once?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

haha the best part of 'walk like a homosexual' though is how you see one of the guys start his own version until Borat corrects him on the correct way to walk like a homosexual

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

On top of everything else:

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ABE FOXMAN ON BORAT

Fresh from squashing the Tony Judt speech at the Polish Legation in New York, the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman threw himself today into the controversy surrounding the faux-Moslem comedian Borat. Foxman expressed “profound misgivings” about the “propriety of having an Israeli-born Jew portray a Moslem in an insulting and defamatory manner.” Professing to speak as the “voice of painful experience,” Foxman spoke in anguished tones:

“The Jewish people know something about defamation through humor, whether it be in anti-Semitic cartoons or Shakespearean comedies. Defamation, however ‘skillful’ and ‘funny’ is no joke, just as racism is no joke.”

Foxman was especially uneasy with the portrayal being done by an Israeli-born Jew:

“I have been accused of being hypersensitive to ethnic slurs, but one needn’t be the head of the ADL to deplore the spectacle being made in Hollywood over a Jewish comedian who impersonates Moslems in a manner that depicts an entire people as imbeciles and bigots and wins applause for it.”

Nor was Foxman happy over the national media’s embrace of Borat’s brand of what Foxman labels, “defamatory and belittling stereotypes”:

“Even if CNN and Jon Stewart think it is funny, it isn’t funny when a blood libel is perpetrated against the entire people of Kazakhstan. And, wink-nudge, everyone knows the Kazaks are just a stand-in for Arabs in general.”

Foxman insists it was a “no-brainer to step forward,” despite the ADL’s usual prime focus on defamation of Jews:

“I asked myself, ‘suppose we had an Arab on national TV networks doing a hilariously funny impersonation of a Jew but in a derogatory manner, say as greedy or rude?’ I’d do my job and he wouldn’t be on TV very long. Indeed, with the JDL like it is, he might not be alive very long. I’d prefer it never come to that.”

For his part, Jon Stewart said, he wouldn’t hesitate to put such a Arab comedian on his show, but he doubted such an actor could “impersonate a preposterous Jew as effectively as Foxman does.”

— Max Scherz Unsinn

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

faux-Moslem comedian Borat

huh?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha oh Jon.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

even the local website entertainment guy wrote about the number of guffaws in the flick.

still, going to see this in about 6 hours.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i have really strong second thoughts about borat--the schtick and the movie.

pretty weak overall. but i bust a few guts just the same. naked wrestling was an all-time classic.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 4 November 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I really enjoyed this. Talladega Nights was probably the only flick I've seen in a while that had a better density of gags.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Still recuperating. Oh my.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Although I will say this -- not only do I know exactly where the Virgin Megastore is near the end of the film, and have been there for a signing session (Sparks, in that case), there was also a strong chance that we were going to go to the theatre elsewhere in that mall to see it this evening. If only.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I even felt bad for the Pentecostals, and I didn't think that was possible. Leave the poor snake-handlers to do their shit in private, please.

Considering two of the speakers were a member of Congress and a state Supreme Court justice, I'd have thought you'd be at least a little concerned over that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link

so far, so good

Based on the anecdotal evidence pouring in to me about long lines at the box office, sold-out screenings, and fans driving more than an hour to find a theater showing the pic, I believe Borat was standing room only inside those screenings.

this was true of the late show in Portland i attended.

also, i liked that we saw trailers for both the Reno 911 movie(FINALLY) and Casino Royale(for the Sellers connection).

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

On the whole I was quite disappointed with the film. I didn't like the fact that it was so obvious that it was a film and it had a story, it made it feel less "real" to me. If that makes any sense. And the jokes weren't as funny. The part with the jocks and the prostotitute were so boring, just like the one where he ends up in a ghetto in Atalanta. I think I would have enjoyed this film much more if I had never seen anything by Borat before cause a lot of the jokes felt so old.

But the scenes at the bed and breakfast place and the one where he is fighting with his producer are as funny as things can get.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Atlanta*

Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I would have enjoyed this film much more if I had never seen anything by Borat before

This was actually my situation, FWIW -- I'd seen a couple of bits but no more. Therefore, everything felt v. fresh.

AND SPEAKING OF THE TRAILERS. Yeah, the Reno 911 and Bond ones were cool. Everything else made me want to kill.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

the bear in the ice cream truck. i would watch a whole hour of that.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

anybody have somebody show up to the screening in full costume? we had a guy show up in Borat's gem-bag swimsuit thing.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Considering two of the speakers were a member of Congress and a state Supreme Court justice, I'd have thought you'd be at least a little concerned over that.
Conservative evangelicals in GOP shockah!

But the scenes at the bed and breakfast place
I thought that sequence was dull and uncomfortable. Once you've had The Running of the Jew and the Jewchick, you've pretty much mined anti-anti-Semitic humor as far as you can.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

horseshit. the only thing that disappointed me about the "throwing money at cockroaches to make them go away" scene was that i knew about it going in.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

also, the bit in the megachurch/warehouse, where he's on the mic and asking who jesus likes, has a straight Groucho-type punchline.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

and did anyone notice that he took approx the same route thru the U.S. that the sex pistols did?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Milo: Alright, maybe. But I didn't enjoy those two scenes very much.

But come on, even you were laughing so hard your stomach hurt when Borat threw the money at the cochroadches.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I do love the details of this chart:

1 BORAT: CULTURAL LEARNINGS OF AMERICA FOR MAKE BENEFIT GLORIOUS NATION OF KAZAKHSTAN
Fox

837 theatres $9,050,000
$10,812 per screen.

2 THE SANTA CLAUSE 3: THE ESCAPE CLAUSE
Buena Vista

3,458 theatres $5,200,000
$1,504 per screen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Another thing i noticed, the last picture after the credits is a portrait of Ilham Aliyev, president of Azerbaijan.

Jena (JenaP), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

haha god those numbers - fox fucked up bad

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how Armond White unfavorably compares Borat to fucking JIMINY GLICK

-- deej.. (clublonel...), November 3rd, 2006 12:36 PM. (deej..) (later) (link)

also: according to him, Kazakhstan is in Eastern Europe. UH.

gbx (skowly), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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