New York City is for sellouts

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My photos are not being posted necessarily because of what they look like, though there are a couple of ones that are actually mine (not googled) that I'm kind of proud of. The context and content are the point of mine, not that they're beautiful to look at! One of them is actually my house.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

When I was in Chicago for a month, I was surprised to find that the majority of people I met in, uh, "Chicago hipster bars" weren't from Chicago either. Ohio, Missouri, Michigan, Texas, the Rockies, even some West Coast transplants. So its not only NYC that the kids are moving to.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

The pics are beautiful, but prove nothing.

Well, to be fair, NA, you did kinda spring this thread during the day when proud New Yawrkers are at work and can't go home to prepare Powerpoint slides and portfolios. :)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

When I was in Chicago for a month, I was surprised to find that the majority of people I met in, uh, "Chicago hipster bars" weren't from Chicago either. Ohio, Missouri, Michigan, Texas, the Rockies, even some West Coast transplants. So its not only NYC that the kids are moving to.

Yeah, I always felt like the real sellouts are the people who move to Chicago instead of New York because it's "easier to make it." If that's the case, why not stay in Ohio, Missouri, Michigan, the Rockies, etc.?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

My school looks like a city unto itself!

http://www.cap.bnl.gov/nufact03/campus_lo2-020924c.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Again, I kinda like how this thread turned out -- if for anything, that we'll see more "[city that you love] is for sellouts..." threads showing some great and yet not so necessarily touristy photos.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

No, PBR, I'm not implying that all New Yorkers lack imagination. I'm implying that people who move to NYC without considering moving to any other US city just because it's NYC so it's gotta be great! lack imagination.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

No, PBR, I'm not implying that all New Yorkers lack imagination. I'm implying that people who move to NYC without considering moving to any other US city just because it's NYC so it's gotta be great! lack imagination.

Maybe they're more informed than you think?

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

name one person who moved to nyc for this reason

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

besides momus

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

zing

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

For what reason? Jason Sehorn?

http://www.jericbarnes.com/shp/columbia/images/large_columbia_statue.JPG

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

I only need one good reason to move to NYC and that I've got. Unfortunately I also need a job.

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

I'm implying that people who move to NYC without considering moving to any other US city just because it's NYC so it's gotta be great! lack imagination

How do they necessarily lack imagination? NYC is well documented as great by a number of sources. So are some other cities, but arguably none as much as New York. So what imagination are they lacking? The imagination that will convince them that some other city is great when they've never heard anything great about it? Is it lack of imagination that causes people to go with a "sure win" instead of something more risky?

I'm moving to Seattle after living in New York and Nashville, but I don't think I'm any more imaginative now than when I wanted to move to NYC. Seattle was suggested to me by a few people who know me well as a place they thought I'd like, and I had started seriously considering moving there. I finally had a chance to visit it, and I did like it a lot, so I'm moving. But I don't think imagination had much to do with it at all.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

My imagination tells me I should live under the sea.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

in fact, regarding my current occupational experience and situation I'm kind of selling out by staying in the DC area.

xpost for shit

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

I only need one good reason to move to NYC and that I've got. Unfortunately I also need a job.

I hear NYC has a huge demand for Ringo Starr impersonators.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

My imagination always said I should become a space hooker and pilot the Millennium Falcon to be honest. All silver clothes and space cowboys, yo. What the fuck, NYC is total ass compared to that.

Fuck having a job in NYC, I'm not going to have one in approximately 4 months and it'll be wonderful.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

My apartment has a huge demand for such, at least.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

Ally, move to Tokyo with me.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

Defending NYC brings Ally and JBR together! What further proof does one need?!?!??!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

Can I change my name to Fujiko, Phil? Cos I am so in!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

Ny is too pally

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

My real reasons for staying in NYC.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

I still don't understand why you would think moving to NYC is for sellouts. I don't think it's "mythology" at all that there are more opportunities to do whatever the hell you could possibly think of here than anywhere else in the world. I guess maybe except surfing. That's better on the west coast. If you wanted to get into publishing, why the hell would you want to move to Chattanooga? and so on.

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I'm just irrational, but when 800 million people start to talk about how great something is, I instantly want to dislike it.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

no you're right - new york does suck

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

Fujiko Kearney?

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

remember yr approaching this as a natvie NYer and probably don't have the set of expectations in terms of 'relaxation' and 'personal space' that people from other parts of the country have.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

Blount, what do you like exactly?

Phil, yeah, I like that. Can I bring a guest on this move? Can I wear silver space shoes?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

Argh. I am not saying that New York sucks or that people that live there are stupid or even that people that move there are stupid.

I think I need a cooling off period. I'm not reading this thread again until 3:45. That's 37 minutes from now.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

it would help if you could provide one example of a person moving to nyc for the reason you state

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

you can wear whatever you want, fujiko... except no panties.

i need to find someone to move with me. i donut want to go all alone :(

phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

I posted a better explanation of my statment about expectations above but the browser crashed so whatever, bleh. this thread's totatlly not what Nick wanted anyway.

I want to talk about living under the sea.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

Like I even wear panties half the time anyway, dude do you even realize how long I went without doing laundry? The women who did my laundry for me wree probably thinking I was a prostitute with all the panties they washed.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolivesinapineappleunderthesea?

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

why move to NYC and not anywhere else in the world?

Well for one thing, NYC is located at a convenient midpoint between London and Los Angeles (my second- and third-favorite cities).

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

SPONGE BOB SQUAREPANTS!!!!!!!!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

There's no point in naming names as you wouldn't know any of the people, but there is quite a crowd of folks moving from Richmond up to New York City this summer. I asked the one who is closest to me, Tim, why he's going there and he's just like, "Meh." Then he started talking about how he wants to do something with his life because he's bored. It's like, you move to NYC and suddenly your life means something (uh, not you, just you in a generic sense).

Anyway, this thread got rather touchy. Who knew?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure NYC is a lovely place to live in. I mean, heck, I've entertained thoughts of living there from time to time. (Not as much as I've entertained thoughts of living in London, though -- my Anglophilia rules over all.) But I think the general point of this thread is that people who move to a place because it's supposedly "hip" and "cooler than thou" and offers this gigantic mystique that could very easily be had many other places around the U.S. (or even around the world) are not exactly thinking clearly. Sure, if you feel this intense draw to move somewhere, move there, but after you weigh all sides and you are truly prepared to live where you are moving to. Or, conversely, if you live somewhere already where you feel comfortable living in, stay there. No need to move about or have to defend why you love your home.

In fact, I can totally understand it if one might be tired of defending one's home locale. Lord knows how many times I've had to explain to incredibly ignorant people that Texas is a wonderful state, that we are modern, that we have all the comforts of living in any other state in the U.S., that we aren't the way we're depicted on TV and in the movies, etc. One of the few moments when I was moved to cry in deepest anger was when I was watching the episode of "Coach" supposedly set in my city (San Antonio, for those not paying attention *wink*), that was filled with all of these horrid and humiliating stereotypes of what the city was supposed to be like instead of anything even remotely resembling what the city really is like. I do realize that yes, this is a sitcom, and yes, they are bound to do this, but imagine being younger and not living in this city. Imagine being influenced by what you watch on TV in regards to what your opinions and thoughts of a particular place is, and having nothing but horrible old and decayed stereotypes that essentially add up to "oh, avoid this backwards place" thoughts. It really hurts. It really hurts me every time I see something on TV or in a movie that shows Texas in a negative light, because we have had so few opportunities in the past to have it shown in a positive light OR EVEN IN JUST A REGULAR, TRUTHFUL LIGHT. To me, it's just as if there was a movie that was released and the central female figure was this huge, cartoonish, firey Latina maid who sang mariachi songs and said "Madre de Dios" every half minute, and who had that ridiculous frilly off-the-shoulders blouse and wore horrendously bright red lipstick, and this creature was presented as a Real, True Latina.

*ahem* Many sorries. I digress. Just had some issues to work out.

Anyway, if you're a huge fan of NYC, good for you. If you're a huge fan of another location, good for you. Just try to keep your mind open to the fact that there are other locations out there with their own fans and their own good points, and that there are people EVERYWHERE who wouldn't give up their OWN locations for all the money in the world. This goes for both sides here.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

But not one person on this thread has given any single reason as to why A) moving to a place cos you think the place seems cool is bad B) who is actually up and doing this anyway. Sarah kind of just gave B right now. No one is trashing any other city here nor is anyone saying you shouldn't live in your chosen locale.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Ok, I must've missed something here.

Don't mind me. Am just going through a really touchy period. Thanks.

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

i donut want to go all alone :(

!!

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's a sign that you need to come to Tokyo too.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

You can't build space stations in NYC. To build space stations you have to move to Alabama.

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Not enough people think under the sea is cool.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Um, well Sarah and NA, I guess the point is.. you guys already know better. So spread some science to your friends, yo. :) And tell them NYC don't got no X10, Pop Faction, Avail, nor Rah Bras nor all the awesome folks at Elwood Thompson's.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link


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