Rolling 2011 thread where I buy and listen to jazz albums for the first time ever

btw wayne shorter's "speak no evil" has always seemed like the perfect intersection of the miles and coltrane groups

Looks like the Sun Ra album I mentioned upthread, Live at the Paradox, was recorded during a September 2008 residency and released in 2009. Four tracks penned by Sun Ra, four by Marshall Allen. Gonna pass on it for now, methinks...

http://www.amazon.com/Live-Paradox-Arkestra-Marshall-Allen/dp/B001U1K5R6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1297273114&sr=8-1

I'm listening to Mostly Other People Do The Killing's double live CD on Clean Feed, The Coimbra Concert, and it's fucking amazing. This band kicks so, so much ass. The lineup is Peter Evans on trumpet, Jon Irabagon (profiled in Burning Ambulance #3!) on saxophones, Moppa Elliott (who writes all their material) on bass and Kevin Shea on drums. The music is hard-swinging free bop, basically, but they throw in old-style New Orleans polyphony, extended solo horn passages including circular breathing, skronky free stuff, and much more; it kinda reminds me of Wynton Marsalis's 7CD Village Vanguard box crossed with Sonny Rollins's Our Man In Jazz. Really, really exciting stuff.

I don't know that particular Live at the Paradox set but imho the Arkestra under Marshall Allen is still a great live show. I saw them as part of Arthur Nights several years ago (w/Wayne Kramer sitting in lol) and they were the high point of the show.

The lineup is Peter Evans on trumpet, Jon Irabagon (profiled in Burning Ambulance #3!) on saxophones, Moppa Elliott (who writes all their material) on bass and Kevin Shea on drums.

have i gushed about how awesome Peter Evans is on this thread? Kevin Shea is great, and also funny.

Anyone read those Ashley Kahn books on Kind of Blue and A Love Supreme? I wonder if reading those would be a worthwhile exercise for me; using my most familiar recordings as a basis/springboard for some general knowledge about jazz in general.

I found them very interesting. I remember the Miles one better possibly because of the citing of influence by other musicians. It went into how several JBs and Duane Allman among others were directly influenced in their musical thinking.

Both were fascinating though

re: sanders, i don't think he's the guy to go to for frenzied; for me he's far more of a tone guy - just beautiful playing that fits whatever he's asked to do or wants to do so well; he never seems out of control but at the same time whilst being poised and calm and sounding so natural it's also intensely moving and deep.... ilxor you should make Karma the first choice for him... it really is one of the most amazing pieces of music of all time.

The frenzied stuff is his earliest, the ESP discs and live with Trane.
Think he worked beyond that shortly after Trane died, though there are elements on his late 60s/early 70s work if I'm thinking right.
Not listened to Karma in a while, but isn't there a honking section somewhere in Creator's half hour plus?

ilxor i suggest you check this hard, hard track. shepp is a monster on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpE9SN81H6E

I could be waaay off base here, but seems like Coltrane was pushing the envelope in more obvious ways earlier on. Miles obviously moved his share of mountains, but perhaps in less obvious ways. What I mean is...I hear some of this mid-60's Columbia stuff and while I absolutely adore it, it's not until I read some (usually) musicology analysis of why it's groundbreaking that I realize it's more than just amazing sounding stuff.

I would tend to think that you are thinking from a perspective permeated by innovations brought in years earlier. Subsequently you wouldn't really notice what changes were being made on historic recordings since you were living in the result of those changes.
Might depend on which record you were talking about too. & some stuff might be more subtle than others anyway.
Coltrane was inventing on the stand all the time & doing so inside solos. One of Miles innovations involved spontaneous group improvisation, would that provide a reason it was so noticeable?

Listening to Coltrane Live at Birdland right now and this is gorgeous stuff. Hard to really give it my full attention at work with a cheap earbud in one ear, but even then it's really something. Loving it. Will listen closely soon.

I need to go back through the past 1-2 weeks of recommendations here and add them to the master list I've made... yikes!

So much good music.

Coltrane was inventing on the stand all the time & doing so inside solos. One of Miles innovations involved spontaneous group improvisation, would that provide a reason it was so noticeable?

― Stevolende, Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:58 AM Bookmark

Not sure what you mean by this, esp. "spontaneous group improvisation." Group improvisation goes back to new orleans jazz, and there are varying degrees of it in almost any kind of jazz. Do you mean the particular way he loosened the bebop structure with the 60s quintet? I don't think he so much innovated group improvisation as played around with the parameters of group improvisation.

But yeah I tend to think that a lot of Coltrane's innovation was in terms of what the soloist does (though he pushed other boundaries in his last few years), whereas Miles was more interested in changing the group dynamic.

stevolende, do you also post on IHM?

So I've been listening to less jazz in recent weeks. Overdid it a bit, I think. But now I'm spinning some records again. Anyone heard the following? Saw these over the weekend for pretty cheap:

Coltrane, John - Living Space
Coltrane, John - The John Coltrane Quartet Plays
Hancock, Herbie - Maiden Voyage
Sun Ra - Space Is the Place

you need the herbie and the sun ra! go buy now! quick!!!

The Herbie is a '60s Blue Note thing, looks and probably sounds v different from '70s space-fusion Herbie. And the Sun Ra is on Impulse—his highest profile release I've come across to date.

it is, but its terrific blue note hard bop

that sun ra is prob my fave

yeah dude maiden voyage is a quintessential record of that genre, it is a requirement to at least hear it at some point

Well hey, I picked it up today for $4 so rest assured I'll be hearing it soon!

$4 seems so cheap for a quality used jazz CD, but that shit is still like, a fuckin 6" Subway sandwich. Is Maiden Voyage better than a 6" turkey on wheat w/ all the veggies? Where is Whiney G. when I need him?? ;_;

lmao

I only skimmed the thread, but i didn't seen anyone mention the Duke Ellington album ...And His Mother Called Him Bill. It was in dedication to his arranger who past called Bill Strayhorn. My co-worker burnt me a copy. I would suggest this album to ilxor if he likes jazz music that calms you and makes you reflect on life.

***My only sheepish contribution to this thread***

Runs Away

Ahh...was curious how you were doing with this, ilxor. Thanks for the update.

My Coltrane obsession has kind of gone full-bloom. I've been slowing making my way through the Impulse! records (Africa/Brass through A Love Supreme) and just finding myself getting more and more sucked in. Loving the way each album becomes more and more ingrained and enjoyable with each listen. That self-titled 1962 album has become a favorite. Keep reaching for that one, it seems. At first, the mellow and traditional vibe of the Duke Ellington and Johnny Hartman records (as well as Ballads) kind of threw me for a loop, but I find them to be the perfect album to either begin or end a day with.

Such great amazing music and to imagine how I am not even beginning to scratch the surface is kind of daunting and fantastic.

Also, I recently picked up a vinyl copy of Coltrane's "Om". Woah. That is some ish for which I am not quite sure I am ready...

That self-titled 1962 album has become a favorite

Yeah, that's one of my favourites too! 'Out of this World' is absolutely gorgeous.

Also, I recently picked up a vinyl copy of Coltrane's "Om". Woah. That is some ish for which I am not quite sure I am ready...

Jealous

Coltrane's Meditations is popular, but I don't see First Meditations (For Quartet) mentioned much. I think I like that one even better, up there with 1964's Crescent, with Transition just behind it, and then The John Coltrane Quartet Plays and Sun Ship. All are essential 1965 Coltrane. The 1962 Coltrane is nearly perfect too. Hard to go wrong with him.

lol I thought everyone hated Om. For some reason it is the only Coltrane I have on vinyl

the Impulse Space is the Place (assuming that's what yr talking about - several different records have been released under that title) is great. hits a bunch of his different styles, with the Arkestra arguably at their peak

http://www.united-mutations.com/r/sunra_spaceistheplace2010_sutrolp.jpg

^^^like I just got this recently and it is entirely different from both the official film soundtrack and the Impulse album

I Like Om a lot

"Space is the Place" on Impulse! was my introduction to Sun Ra. It's lots of fun, especially the title track, but I wouldn't say it's his best album.

I don't think it's his best either - but it's not a bad sampler/overview

The actual soundtrack on ESP or whatever is better.

wouldn't even really call "maiden voyage" hard bop, more post-hard bob or something, more open, less bluesy. it's fantastic, of course.

so happen to be listening to Ascension at the moment... is it me or does the beginning quote Blue Train...?

My copy of Space is the Place (yes, on Impulse) looks like this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41YZSKZHCRL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

great album

Good old Space 15 The Place

Strange Celestial Roads is still one of my favourite Sun Ra records. It's also one of the most laid back things I've heard him do. It lacks the overt out-thereness of a lot of his stuff and it all potters by at quite a sedate pace, but I'm really quite happy to just sit and listen to it and drift off into the far reaches of the galaxy. What else did he do along the same sort of lines?

^^^great album. in a similar vein:

Sleeping Beauty
On Jupiter
Lanquidity (altho this does get a little out/uptempo in places)

i recommend you get http://cgi.ebay.com/SUN-RA-ANGELS-DEMONS-PLAY-THE-NUBIANS-NEW-CD-/130489873842?pt=Music_CDs&hash=item1e61cd75b2

Cool, thanks guys!

that was to ilxor btw

I was gonna say - that is not a particularly mellow/lilting pair of Sun Ra albums...

haha yes, I hope he didn't rush out to buy it expecting some quiet disc

Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil (1964)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ezi4gCqxL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

I've not had enough time for jazz in February (finally picked up some new releases, started a small writing gig that's eaten up some of my time, etc.) but here's a quick review of a very nice album that I've been playing.

This is a really gorgeous album. Overall an easy listen: there's a sense of relaxation, cool and confidence throughout. The playing is well-paced, never forceful. Strong melodies abound. To hear Shorter playing alongside Herbie Hancock (whose playing here sounds similar to his same-era Blue Note album, Maiden voyage) is a treat.

I get a strong sense of composition from these songs. Everything seems very much thought out and measured, not in an overcooked sense, but in a master songwriting way. I could be wrong (and I've not read any background on this album yet) but this doesn't have a sense of meandering improvisation like Coltrane or Ornette Coleman do on many of their recordings. And this is in no sense "masturbatory" jazz: Shorter never seems like he's showing off his chops, even though he's clearly got them. This is a master of his instrument using his skills toward something far more measured, elegant and beautifully restrained than others would have the discipline to do.

Beyond all of that, I get a very real sense of joy from these recordings. It sounds like Shorter, Freddie Hubbard (trumpet), Herbie Hancock (piano) and the other fellas are having fun here. It makes me happy to hear these songs. I don't hear much tension in this album... simply the joy of playing music.

Rating: ✰✰✰✰

Freddie Hubbard (trumpet), Herbie Hancock (piano)

Haha, can't believe I listed this stuff out at the END of the review. I think I wrote this part first, then added to the beginning and forgot to take out the lol obvious full name + instrument statements here.

Nice review, ilxor. Glad you're keeping this thread going. I need to hit the shop and pick up that used copy of Juju I saw recently. I read somewhere that with Speak No Evil Shorter was really branching out with new players, as he was trying to disprove those who dismissed him as simply a Coltrane-acolyte (on the preceding Juju he is backed by Tyner/Garrison/Jones).

NP: Alice Coltrane, Ptah The El Daoud (this is really doing it for me this am)

Cool, I'm watching for Juju... pretty sure that's counted among his "great" records, right?

Love that Alice Coltrane album, need to post some thoughts on it. Played it endlessly the night before a 50 mile trail run a few wks ago... perfect way to get in the right frame of mind to run for 12 hours. :)