"This Is Happening": the third album by LCD Soundsystem

I don't know James Murphy so I can't ask him but my guess would be that his income is from a) live shows/DJ gigs and b) maybe some income from the label. And it's not like LCDs commanding Rolling Stones'-level touring budgets.

I kinda lol at anybody that thinks any musician is rich, especially someone with as low a profile as James Murphy. He's not Jay-Z for fuck's sake.

like I dunno if you guys talk to musicians at all but everybody is fucking broke

What about Damon Alborn (?) and Justine Frischmann (?)

James Murphy is not broke, he is loaded btw.

Albarn was at the top of the industry when the industry was at it's peak so duh. Frischmann got advertising money iirc - that Wire ripoff was everywhere. (If LCD's licensed any tunes to commercials I haven't noticed - highest profile think I noticed them in was Step Brothers lol)

were you hanging out on his yacht last weekend or what shasta

i'm sure murphy's doing fine, he must make $$$ on dj gigs. the "interview" from this thread did make me wonder though: BEST JAMES MURPHY ANSWER FROM NEW YORK MAGAZINE

4. Would you still live here on a $35,000 salary?
I've lived here on WAY less for more than a decade, so sure. If you don't want to, there are plenty of suburbs to wait for death in.

BILLIONAIRE

someone very reliable once told me that the original All My Friends was so much like a certain 80s New Order track (i forget which) that they'd have got sued if it'd have come out that way. so they had to go back and fiddle with it to make it sound.. a lot less so.
Without any inside knowledge, I'm 95% sure its "Ceremony."

I'd be suspicious of any English musician claiming they're weathy, what with their tax rates.

I mean lol if you think James Murphy is living off songwriting royalties, which is what a sample-based lawsuit would be entitled to go after

― bien-pensant vibe (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 8, 2011 6:42 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that is not how it works.

Elastica were fucking coining it in during the 18 months they were successful... on airplay royalties

Also note that it was *in* those 18 months that they got sued by Wire and Stranglers

that is not how it works.

by all means, feel free to elaborate

(1) revenue is not limited to songwriting royalties, e.g. live performance, mechanicals, publishing rights, etc. (2) damages are not limited to the revenue accrued directly from the violation, e.g. you may be forced to pay damages for an infringing sample on a track you gave away.

how are damages calculated?

they're _unlikely_ to be more than the defendant can afford (but lol RIAA showboating). apart from that, it depends entirely on the nature/scale of infringement, jurisdiction, etc. and only very weakly on direct revenue.

note i know uk law better than us law, but the principle that you can be sued even if you give the infringing work away is true everywhere afaik.

also if you could only be sued for revenue, then there would be no punitive deterrent. i.e. just sample whatever, if you get caught then no biggie, just pay the man his money.

gonna sue james soundsystem now.

let me know how much of his <$35k salary you manage to garnish

real talk: anyone a) know if there's an online presale

there is, tomorrow at 10 am, via pitchfork

http://pitchfork.com/news/41507-lcd-soundsystem-presale-tickets-on-sale-today/

presale was a joke. pretty much sold out within 2 minutes.

All those people waiting in line at Mercury Lounge in 10 degrees this morning was a joke.

brrrrrr

"This 10 Degree Weather Is Happening": waiting in line to see the final concert for the third by LCD Soundsystem

http://sickmouthy.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/the-original-bits-arent-good/

smh. do you people really only enjoy the first two minutes of this song? it's just the build up for the good part.

also horribly wrong about bittersweet symphony

My appreciation of Dance Yrself Clean isn't ruined by The Pool. I think it would be nicer if the bands LCD are stealing from were credited but lots of things would make this world nicer. Not a big deal.

Is that all at me? Because I definitely don't only enjoy the first two minutes of DYC, nor meant to express that anywhere; it's my favourite off TIH, and one of my favourite LCD tracks fullstop.

Horribly wrong about BSS in what regard? I don't think I expressed an opinion regarding its quality...

xpost.

What would be excellent is if just after the farewell show JM released a compilation of all the tracks that he'd homaged/lifted so that obscure folk like The Pool could get some recognition and $$$, LCD fans would discover some good stuff, and the whole obvious-referencing side of LCD could be taken to its logical (and most candid) conclusion.

I'd certainly buy a copy of that mythical compilation.

Re: Nick's blog, I remember a sampling special on Radio 1 where somebody (Jo Whiley maybe?) told the whole story of the lawsuit and said the Verve had been outrageously swindled and that the song BSS sounded nothing like it really. Then she played The Last Time and for a few seconds I assumed it was BSS. It was so blatant, and so demolished the DJ's argument, that I actually laughed out loud.

That compilation idea is great.

I don't think the orchestral version of the stones song is particularly interesting. Don't think that were it released on a 90s stones album it would end up being one of the biggest hits of the decade. the verve made something out of not much - and while bss might fall apart without the sample it's far from the only thing the song is built on. it's got nothing to do with the vocal melody. xp

Bitter Sweet Symphony doesn't really HAVE a vocal melody.

If you stripped the vocals off BSS and mixed/mastered it in a 60s rather than 90s fashion, you'd have the start of the instrumental version of The Last Time, looped.

Just because you play the same drumbeat rather than outright sampling it doesn't mean it's not still the same drumbeat. Even Mccabe's guitar doesn't add much in terms of melody / layering / structure / texture / etc. I love BSS, think it does something amazing, but it's totally and utterly built on that sample / steal.

violins add a lot!

And the main violin hook is from The Last Time, as I recall, as are the main violin chords.

But then I remember hearing the orchestral version of The Rolling Stones’ The Last Time for the first time, the Andrew Loog Oldham version that Bittersweet Symphony sampled. I’d read something which suggested that all The Verve had borrowed was a chord sequence played by the string section, that the drum pattern and main string hook, the two most vital identifying parts of the song, were their own work, Ashcroft’s own work, and the sample was buried and barely audible, and that it was pure avarice that made Loog Oldham seize songwriting credits for himself, Jagger and Richards.

Rubbish. That whole sweeping string hook, the double-thwack rhythm of the drums, the stately pace, the swell and poise of Bittersweet Symphony all came directly from The Last Time.

Sorry dude but this is just factually incorrect, I just listened to the Loog Oldham track again and the most obvious memorable and distinctive hook in BSS (the violins over the top) aren't there. The drum beat is different as well.

(We shouldn't be having this discussion, or even the "what is musical theft?" discussion in 2011, but that's by the bye).

(Probably not, no.)

Just listening to it again on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Y9qQnIPdk), and 48 seconds in the drumbeat, after wandering around a bit, falls into the same double-thwack pattern. The main string sequence is there but not the actual riff, to be fair. The bells, though, are totally ripped off both by McCabe's guitar line and, in the extended version, by the bell-laden middle section. The bassline's the same too. The piano line at about 1:40 is ripped off too.

Which is all to say that they steal more than just a tiny inconsequential bit that you'd never notice.

had this argument a million times but one thing no one ever seems to remember is that tge Stones ripped the Last Time off from the Staples Singers btw.

uncredited too!

Haha, I didn't know that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1jGF-6bFpI

(early gospel Staple Singers some of the best music ever btw)

I like to think JM would be amused at this thread devolving into a general discussion of plagiarism.

never knew that about the last time, that adds a hilarious dimension to this

pretty sure Allen Klein knew about it fwiw

Oldham Orchestra track is about 1 million times better than the Verve rip. Primarily because there's not idiot sputtering about how hard life is when you're a millionaire.

In fairness, he wasn't actually a millionaire when that song was recorded, far from it probably.