post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

The primary rule is don't be a dick. If 51 people think that you are somewhere between dick and sociopath then you probably should examine your behaviour.

If 51 people think that you are somewhere between dick and sociopath then you probably should examine your behaviour.

How do you know all of the 51 people clicked "suggest ban" for this exact reason?

you don't, but at some point you have to make an assumption.

You wouldn't even get to 51% of active users.

Then it should be obvious the suggest ban system has no real moral validity and it should be switched off.

But 51 is a lot of burritos. Even if you had 500 active burritos, 51 would be a lot.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/chillywilly2626/i-like-where-this-thread-is-going-8.jpg

Stop talking about "moral validity". There doesn't need to be any. ILX is and always has been a privately controlled message board, it isn't the foundation of a democratic constitution or a Vatican council or anything else.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/P-51_Mustang_edit1.jpg

51% of active users is similarly arbitrary, tyranny of the majority and all that. More than 51% of british people would like the death penalty to be brought back, it doesn't make it the right moral choice or mean that we should.

so just go back to banning at mod discretion. SB is suggesting some kind of democratic input when, as you say, in reality it's purely arbitrary.

The death penalty is a considerably more divisive issue in Britain today than in other major countries in Western Europe or North America, a new Associated Press International Affairs poll conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs has revealed.

The poll, conducted in the UK in February 2007, finds that half the British public (50%) say they favour the death penalty for people convicted of murder, while 45% are opposed. This suggests a weakening of British support for capital punishment in recent years, since polls in the past have tended to find a clear majority in favour of restoring the death penalty.

damn you, great british public, getting more progressive and ruining my argument

I think that introducing the death penalty here would be a step too far.

I think the correct figure was over 51% of statistics are made up on the spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GI9VunCkEU

Stop talking about "moral validity". There doesn't need to be any. ILX is and always has been a privately controlled message board, it isn't the foundation of a democratic constitution or a Vatican council or anything else.

Yeah, but the decision that the comfort of 51 posters weighs more than one person being able to post to this site is a moral decision. If it has no moral justification except that "the number is pretty high", then it's kind of a bad decision. Of course nothing has stopped it becoming the rule anyway, but wouldn't it be better if ILX modding was based on solid moral ground instead of random tyranny of the minority?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK3ZP6frAMc

I agree with this call for solid moral ground on ILX and demand that all future mod actions conform to the 10 Commandments, and that we ban atheists.

Anyone who has admitted to using a condom is henceforth banned with immediate effect.

Post only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.

kant be arsed, sorry

moral validity is a good goal for mod actions, since morals are totally objective and never subject to questioning.

But my point exactly was that a majority decision is more objective.

You don't have a point, is the problem. Or, to be more precise, few of the people you are talking to think your point is valid.

i don't get this attitude of not recognising that it is a privilege, not a right, to post here. this isn't a public fucking park, tuomas.

The parkie kicked me out once for climbing a tree even though 67% of park-goers were completely unaware of my actions.

Tuomas I think the way your voice can be best heard is by you boycotting ILX, specifically all threads in the IMP and Mod Request boards

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1153/1490353699_40d0fa7f3a_o.jpg

It would be pretty awesome if - instead of the white, minimal - background, our posts scrolled across this static image.

I'm picturing a flasher running around a store screaming obscenities and exposing himself to people, and a couple of cops looking on; "shouldn't we do something?" "nah, what's the rush? he should be allowed to get to at least half the customers before we arrest him."

That would be the moral thing to do.

Dom wrote a ton of slanderous shit that had solicitors writing the site mods threatening legal action. This is why the mods decided to never unban him.

― Indolence Mission (DJP), Monday, February 7, 2011 10:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

btw i've never heard you describe the circumstances of dom's ban in this way before, i probably wouldn't have made as much noise about how an indefinite ban is unreasonable if i didn't have the impression he just said something rude and personal to you in an e-mail.

to be fair, it was dan's lawyers who were threatening legal action

some dude 180ing on this is kinda depressing

has the idea of temporary board bans even been acknowledged or are mods still doing that thing where they act like the most ridiculous opposition poster represents what the rest of us want too

I don't actually know what you want, you said you wanted one thing, I pointed out that was basically the status quo already, and you're still complaining. Sometimes I think you just oppose things for the sake of it.

wait, what did i do a 180 on

http://www.styleceo.com/images/stores/46/1/180s-earmuffs-urban-2125321

I'm curious about who Dom slandered.

I mean in this case banning Whiney and Deej from ILM would only relocate their beef to another board. And most posters who are SB'ed get it from across a range of boards.

http://www.everythinginmoderation.org/2003/10/on_building_killfiles_into_your_communities.shtml

But while they seem like an obvious solution to user-on-user fighting and troll-avoidance, killfiles (and other forms of 'ignore user' functionality) have considerable problems and by themselves are not particularly effective ways of helping a community self-manage. For a start they immediately and inevitably start fracturing the ways in which individuals see the community around them. If every user has a different killfile (or even if a substantial minority do) then each has a different view of the community around them, who has spoken, who is silent and what the gist of the current conversation might be. The consequences may not be catastrophic, but they are irritating - people start talking at cross purposes, individuals talk over one another, repeating suggestions, misinterpreting cues. In fact the only circumstances where killfiles work is where pretty much everyone on the community decides to killfile precisely the same people - or when the culture is strong enough that they simply won't be abused. These circumstances are ... rare ...

The consequences may not be catastrophic, but they are irritating - people start talking at cross purposes, individuals talk over one another, repeating suggestions, misinterpreting cues.

^most threads

people start talking at cross purposes, individuals talk over one another, repeating suggestions, misinterpreting cues.

Yes, God help us if that ever happens to ILX.

haha

wait, what did i do a 180 on

― some dude, Tuesday, February 8, 2011 11:49 AM (11 minutes ago)

idk maybe i'm misremembering your stance on SB

The primary rule is don't be a dick.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, February 8, 2011 3:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this kind of wheaton's law/google prime directive stuff is glib verging on content free imo (and is not accurate descrption of ilx)

i think you might be! although i'm not sure what i may or may have not said about it early on when the policy was more of a theory or a threat than an existing thing that has had very plain and clear effects. (xpost)

be a dick, but don't be an annoying or psychotic dick

hahaha

be a big dick, but don't be a fully erect Ron Jeremy or anything

just keep whatever you're spewing out of my eye.