post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users

i meant to lol at this, i'll just do it now

id be curious to know how many users post frequently, lets say ten posts a month

pixel - you want to count active users, then sb's should be expiring in that same time frame that makes someone "active"

the point is that 51 is an arbitrary number and SB's suck

i get why this is acrimonious between ppl vs mods, but, are mods really the people that have a say in this, at all? unless the people who coded ilx, or someone else with those skills, says they're going to donate some coding time to make changes, ilx is going to stay the way it is. mods aren't really the issue i don't think

I think a majority of mods are pro-SB

if they weren't, they be looking for ways to implement alternatives

pixel - you want to count active users, then sb's should be expiring in that same time frame that makes someone "active"

I don't, that's why I said both percentages were equally meaningless.

granted it could be possible to change board policy and just ignore sb counts altogether, i guess. if i understand things right. tho i think 51 kicks ppl off automatically.

xp

any number would be arbitrary since there is no agreed-upon definition of an active user

p.s., I'm not modding anymore

i guess we're also at the point where everyone needs to be reminded that like one or two people can change ilx's code

keith will touch the code occasionally, I know caek had volunteered his services recently

if i understand things right. tho i think 51 kicks ppl off automatically.

it doesnt. mods have said over and over that they make the final decision once someone hits 51

Let's take the rats from the cats and the cats from the rats and get the cat skins for nothin'.

Why does it have to be a "vox populi"? Why can't it just be "an awful lot of people"?

Because if it's just a random number, there's no real moral justification for the ban. You can't claim "this poster's behaviour ruined ILX for everyone else", if it turns out only a small minority of posters thought the behaviour was bad enough to click on the SB.

How do you feel about minority rights in general?

what about the subset of posters who never saw the offending posts though? you'd be setting the bar really high considering there's a lot of active users who only read certain rolling threads or subforums. if someone's being a dick on ILM and only 40% of active users read ILM, they'd have immunity.

resurrect aja/dante board, rename it i love beefs, open it to whiney & deej only and make it the only place they can post for 30 days

that way all capn-save-a-hos can benefit from these posters' glorious wit, the world will be spared more lol-but-sad twitter accounts, and free speech is saved. amen

Whether it's half or a quarter of whatever is defined as an active user is irrelevant. Let's do one of those annoying and pointless irl analogies:

A man is having a seriously noisy party with loud music, shouting, fighting, people throwing up in the street and lots of generally antisocial and dickish behaviour. He is really annoying several (say 5) of his neighbours. Should their complaints carry any weight at all when like 50 people live in that street and 25 of them are at the party getting mashed and don't give a shit?

amazing analogy

What if those 25 neighbors could put up steel blinds that would let them continue to read the latest Franzen novel in peace while the other 25 get to party hearty?

what kind of food do they have at the party?

http://goodmessengers.org/pic/whatif.png

are they smanging it at the party?

hard cheeses, berries, curry and soup

xxxp

bile dip

SC - theifyoudontagreewithmeyoushouldbebannedelite, dig?

im getting bored of the whole variant question/same answer routine, so heres a little play for you all i call "Equally possible ILE threads: Two threads in two acts" (Pls allow for some creative license ie the unlikelyhood of the party in act two)

Act 1, Thread 1:

My neighbours are having a party again! Its loud!
-- Bee 1

Im SO sorry, Bee 1! How dreadful. *hugs!*
-- Bee 2

OMG!! They should burn in hell! Call the cops. Take it to the city. Youve got rights!
-- Bee 3

Yeah, but you don't have an apostophe. :P
-- HotGrammarCop (imustbeintelligentbecauseicanpunctu✧✧✧@mommysai✧✧✧.o✧✧)

Show up at their door with a knife!
Better still...AN AXE!
-- Bee 4

LOL!!!!1!11 OMG You should totally do that.
-- Random Kiss Ass

Act 2, Thread 2:

Someone showed up at my door with an axe last night! I was having a party!
-- Bee 1

Im SO sorry, Bee 1! How dreadful. *hugs!*
-- Bee 2

OMG!! They should burn in hell! Call the cops. Take it to the city. Youve got rights!
-- Bee 3

Yeah, but you don't have an apostophe. :P
-- HotGrammarCop (imustbeintelligentbecauseicanpunctu✧✧✧@mommysai✧✧✧.o✧✧)

You should have another party next weekend!
Better still...A LOUDER PARTY!
-- Bee 4

LOL!!!!1!11 OMG You should totally do that.
-- Random Kiss Ass

― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Monday, July 25, 2005 4:23 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark

hard cheeses, berries, curry and soup]

lol at uk party fare

lol @ -- Random Kiss Ass

anyone who cares that much about having an accurate # of currently active users should a month doing excruciating work looking at every post on every thread and keeping count of what people post and how often.

the point isnt to have an accurate number the point is to point out that 51 is bullshit

anyway i forgot: i'm over it

im honestly curious as to how many people post regularly, not for sb purposes, just for knowing purposes

me too

i curious how many "frequent lurkers" there are and how often they SB

what about the subset of posters who never saw the offending posts though? you'd be setting the bar really high considering there's a lot of active users who only read certain rolling threads or subforums. if someone's being a dick on ILM and only 40% of active users read ILM, they'd have immunity.

― ciderpress, Monday, February 7, 2011 3:10 PM (11 minutes ago)

if only it were possible to ban someone from a particular board say whiney and deej from ilm hmmm no SB system is fine how it is

btw i v much support the concept of keeping one board open to the s banned and imo it would be hilarious

i always read "sb" as shit-banned

shit-banned with extreme prejudice

sbed w/ep

aphex twins sbed ep

a subboard for the sugbanned would just be hundreds of posts of "to so-and-so on such-and-such ILE thread: you're so wrong, and i had a great zing for that i would've posted if i could"

otm it would be mostly sad kind of pointless

Whether it's half or a quarter of whatever is defined as an active user is irrelevant. Let's do one of those annoying and pointless irl analogies:

A man is having a seriously noisy party with loud music, shouting, fighting, people throwing up in the street and lots of generally antisocial and dickish behaviour. He is really annoying several (say 5) of his neighbours. Should their complaints carry any weight at all when like 50 people live in that street and 25 of them are at the party getting mashed and don't give a shit?

― AYE... MON THEN -----O----- (onimo), Monday, 7 February 2011 20:15 (55 minutes ago)

in the US if one neighbor complains the cops will show up, so by this logic the 51 should be lowered to 1

that would be AWESOME and then I would def use the SB function

still trying to wrap my mind around the "moral justification" of a banning
most of what we discuss on here is krautrock, hot chicks, predator ships, duke nukem and waka flocka
moral doesn't live here anymore alice

With all the Goldberg-style solutions being suggested here allow me to contribute my own algorithm (it's complex so please bear with me):

1. sb ends
2. mods do modding

\(^o^)/

that idea is so bad

How about this idea:

Don't piss off 51 people in 6 months.

seems p obv theres no "scientific" method that will make sb more fair or w/e to the ppl who think its like some evil regime. the only thing is that i mean the more u post the more u can piss ppl off i think. this is the only objection that kindof makes sense to me. i mean i am super cranky i just dont really take things srsly i guess but yeah some dude otm i have had crazy legroom to be an asshole w/o getting sbed but maybe i just post less than wgw idk. also e/time i see wgw i think of wong kar wai.'hi everyone