post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

can you unblock my work and home ip addresses?

I think there should be a SB thread that the banned alone can post to - a kind of ILX purgatory.

Voyage of the Banned

it's called THE REST OF THE INTERNET

Banned à part

haha forks otm

Actually from what I can see this would only overcomplicate the system it would have the added problem of moving the goalposts every day - the number of unique visitors fluctuates quite a lot and no one would ever know where they stood or how close they were to a ban.

― Matt DC, Monday, February 7, 2011 6:53 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

Then take average daily counts for a week and generate a number. Point is if sb is meant to be the majority opinion then you might want to figure out how many the majority actually is.

also i just do not get the appeal of killfile, especially as a replacement for SBs. just because i don't love a particular person's posts doesn't mean i necessarily want to look at the whole board through a filter that removes their posts and probably makes threads they participate in harder to follow or enjoy. and what if your issue with someone is that they like to say mean things to or about you? killfiling them just makes you ignorant of what they're saying and less able to do anything about it.

if people think 51 is just too low a number, why get complicated about it, just change it to 101. there are some people that will hit that goal easy anyway.

Suggest Ban Permalink
I think there should be a SB thread that the banned alone can post to - a kind of ILX purgatory.

― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, February 7, 2011 1:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Think that's what Whiney was going for here, before he got bored.
http://twitter.com/WhineyArea51#

Point is if sb is meant to be the majority opinion then you might want to figure out how many the majority actually is.

I am pretty sure that it was not intended to be a majority opinion.

the sad truth is that the vast vast majority of ilx posters don't make much of an impression and don't differentiate themselves in my mind at all, good or bad. this is probably true of everyone and probably true of my writing to everyone else.

i've changed my mind on sb's in the past year (used to think was ok, now don't) but i can't find the post where i talked about it. it doesn't really matter, does it?

I don't like it either, but I s/b like a demon because it's there and I can't help myself.

I am pretty sure that it was not intended to be a majority opinion.

It's just an arbitrary threshold beyond which you are no longer fit for posting society.

It's a pretty large threshhold!

also i just do not get the appeal of killfile, especially as a replacement for SBs. just because i don't love a particular person's posts doesn't mean i necessarily want to look at the whole board through a filter that removes their posts and probably makes threads they participate in harder to follow or enjoy. and what if your issue with someone is that they like to say mean things to or about you? killfiling them just makes you ignorant of what they're saying and less able to do anything about it.

yes, otm

i think we should all be able to edit each others posts
--goole

Booming post

This is almost what IRE was like when everyone was a mod

And thn everyone just benned each other

Rip lingbert

Originally there was a poll on the mod board about whether we want "democratic bans". But at some point this turned into "51 clicks and you're out", a random number which I've never heard any admin explain... Yet pro-SB tend to justify it as if it's some kind of vox populi, even though no one knows how big the populi actually is.

Here's an idea: count the average amount of unique daily visitors in 2010 (i.e. add up the unique visitors for each of the 365 days, then divide the result by 365), and is someone gets more SBed than 50% of that number, then he's banned. Do the same for the year 2012, 2013, etc. Shouldn't be too much of an effort to do this once a year, and then the results would actually resemble a "democratic ban".

i don't like the idea of using 50% of the # of active users because then i feel like my impartiality becomes a tacit approval of shitty/disruptive posting

Why does it have to be a "vox populi"? Why can't it just be "an awful lot of people"?

wish john d. was still around to tell tuomas to stfu.

oh THAT'S how you do an average

Yeah, Tuomas, that threshold is kind of meaninglessly high.

wish whiney g. weingarten was still around to tell tuomas

http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/792.jpg

if it's not a majority you are back to the problem of the other side who don't want the person banned having no say whatsoever.

they expressed themselves - they did not ban the person

Well we could supplement "suggest ban" with "suggest awesome"?

i don't really understand? i tacitly express my approval of almost all ilx posters, by not banning them.

i'd be ok with a like/dislike system where you can go positive or negative and get banned at -51 or whatever. but i think the current system is alright, it seems to take a lot of disruptive behavior to get to 51

an ilx "like" button would result in a disgusting popularity contest imo

IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME

http://www.denofgeek.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/56658.png

self-xp eh that's actually harsh but w/e i don't understand why this is a necessary function

it seems to take a lot of disruptive behavior to get to 51

^

xp: cad, to clarify, I wasn't really advocating for that. I'm pretty sure that idea has been brought up half a dozen times in previous post-ban clusterfucks.

yeah i didn't really think you were but this idea keeps coming up and frankly should be shot down immediately for several reasons

whither the statscock?

yet we never got a chance to shoot down the sb system before it was implemented

life's a bitch i guess

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users

lol, and 57.3% of current active users. both percentages equally meaningless

I wanted to shoot down the meaningless sham of Parliamentary Democracy but I never got a chance before it was implemented

mods too scared to implement "suggest stay" buttons

51 bans = 1.5 percent of registered users

i meant to lol at this, i'll just do it now

id be curious to know how many users post frequently, lets say ten posts a month

pixel - you want to count active users, then sb's should be expiring in that same time frame that makes someone "active"

the point is that 51 is an arbitrary number and SB's suck

i get why this is acrimonious between ppl vs mods, but, are mods really the people that have a say in this, at all? unless the people who coded ilx, or someone else with those skills, says they're going to donate some coding time to make changes, ilx is going to stay the way it is. mods aren't really the issue i don't think

I think a majority of mods are pro-SB

if they weren't, they be looking for ways to implement alternatives

pixel - you want to count active users, then sb's should be expiring in that same time frame that makes someone "active"

I don't, that's why I said both percentages were equally meaningless.

granted it could be possible to change board policy and just ignore sb counts altogether, i guess. if i understand things right. tho i think 51 kicks ppl off automatically.

xp

any number would be arbitrary since there is no agreed-upon definition of an active user