post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

i just cleaned out all the old sbs and, based on what i saw, it's very rare that people catch a suggest ban weeks later. It's almost always people impulse shooting.
It's worth stressing again that there are hundreds of users on ilx and generally, at any one time, maybe one or two who have over 40 sbs. Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population. For the rest of us, we ALL have at least three or four sbs because several people use them cavalierly and with a LOL U BANNED bent. But honestly, most people don't. the system, however flawed and stupid it may be, generally works; there's yet to be a ban kicked in where everyone was SHOCKED, SHOCKED to discover that person had gone over the line... cept maybe jordan and i don't remember what the problem was there.

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

Perhaps have ilx send that 40-sb email along with a link to every sbed post? Just a thought.

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 07:18 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

When a mod temp banned deej from one of the threads turned into beef I don't remember anyone complaining except him.

A ban from one thread that lasts a matter of hours is a totally different thing.

change that?

the ONLY idea i like from this dumb thread is board pemabans, not site permabans. and it wouldn't be v. hard to do--just count sbs per board.

where's that cankles post about how suggest bans should allow everyone to see who sb'd them so that there's a massive drama trainwreck on here everyday?

Actually I would kinda support de-anonymizing SBs.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XZNhfZqFCH4/S9cmnNDMkkI/AAAAAAAAAGs/We5Kab3UljQ/s320/PixelFarm2+copy.jpg

Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population.

a tiny percentage, you mean.

still h8 SB and wish it would go away but i'll admit the arguments for it are good ones, even if they mostly boil down to "its not going away, deal with it".

but i am for both these initiatives:

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

― bnw, Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:47 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Actually I would kinda support de-anonymizing SBs.

― where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:08 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I just had this vision - what if, when creating a new thread, the thread-creator had the option of turning off SBs for that one thread. so there would be these anything goes, wild wild west threads, with "HERE BE DRAGONS" labels affixed.

think about it

xpost -- I won't be starting any gripey threads if it doesn't happen, though.

they can't just create a system that automatically is configured to ban l0u1s jagg3r

p sure the evidence has shown that they did

lol sb redirects the clusterfuck to where im not gonna read it. approve.

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

I think this is very reasonable. Also, if a suggest ban flags a specific post, and some mods (or at least JJJusten) already tell the people who are close to 51 what posts of theirs have been SBed, why not make it so that each poster (but no one else) can see a list of their SBed posts in their profile? This would help them see what kind of behaviour is causing the SBs, if they are blind to it (as Deejs seems to have been), and (in the best case) modify it. Plus there'd be no need for mods to send special emails to people who are close to 51 anymore.

When somebody gets 51'd, they should have to post under their mother-given government names for a month.

can't wait to welcome back Poopy G. Stinkgarten

actual lol

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

Actually from what I can see this would only overcomplicate the system it would have the added problem of moving the goalposts every day - the number of unique visitors fluctuates quite a lot and no one would ever know where they stood or how close they were to a ban.

Can you give us an idea on the range of daily unique visitors? I'm sure that this has been brought up before, but I can't remember what it is.

It sort of assumes that everyone reads everything too. I don't know how visits to the different boards break down, but if someone was being a cock on eg ILM, maybe less than 50% of posters would encounter them on a regular basis, and some of those might want them banned. xp

and *only* some of those might want them banned (might be a large proportion though)

I don't know how visits to the different boards break down, but if someone was being a cock on eg ILM, maybe less than 50% of posters would encounter them on a regular basis

Yeah, like, would you factor in the De Subjectivisten and Aeon Flux Top Level people?

Well, just having a look at the Aeon Flux board, that probably wouldn't sway things too much.

i can at least understand people who want to do away with the SB system entirely, but people who keep suggesting these increasingly intricate Rube Goldberg modifications to the system as if that's what will magically make the whole thing totally fine and uncontroversial are just ridiculous imo.

otm

Every time the sb button gets clicked, a truck nutz jpeg should be inserted into the post in question.

WhineyArea51 Whiney G. Weingarten
Let @WizardIsHungry post again, you assholes.

kkvgz is making me sad b/c I mis-read his username.

was not trying to do that

so a problem poster is one whose presence makes it hard if not impossible for other people to enjoy/use ILX
temporary suspensions restore the function of the board for those users
some users will miss the problem poster, but so far nobody has actually left the boards because of an asshole absence (many people have left because of assholes' presences)
therefore the SB system works as well as could be hoped?

playing devil's advocate you could argue there's a smeed's law effect to encourage people to just be even more boring than ever but it's long been the case that ILX is not really all about being a site for good ol' noyz transgressive fun, so residential speed limits are in effect, deal

xp no harm, mang. Just reminds me of WizardIsHungry, is all.

thing is, the cool funny enjoyable posters who've been banned never really got banned for the stuff they did that was cool or funny or enjoyable, unless they were just taking that stuff to some obstinate extreme. so unless the thing you love about someone is how insanely incorrigible and unreasonable they are, the whole "you guys are making this place lame by penalizing awesome people" argument is just kinda dumb, and even then it's still a little dumb.

like i consider both whiney and deej bros and will probably have civil and friendly off-ilx interactions w/ them while they're banned, but they'd both become committed to posting in ways that only made them happy or fulfilled their own compulsions and had no interest in toning it down for anyone else's benefit, so getting a timeout seems like the only real option there.

I'm trying to think of a funny celebrity analogy better than paul reubens and can't

some dude is the voice of reason here.

unfortunately we can't remember who

I have never and will never sb anyone. If anyone on ILX annoys me I walk away. I wouldn't use the killfile option but it seems far less harsh than the SB.

I think this is very reasonable. Also, if a suggest ban flags a specific post, and some mods (or at least JJJusten) already tell the people who are close to 51 what posts of theirs have been SBed, why not make it so that each poster (but no one else) can see a list of their SBed posts in their profile? This would help them see what kind of behaviour is causing the SBs, if they are blind to it (as Deejs seems to have been), and (in the best case) modify it. Plus there'd be no need for mods to send special emails to people who are close to 51 anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/UhK1e.jpg

is that real? what is that?

An uphill climb from the bottom.

The symbolism was apparent to me! I just want to know if I can go visit that.

apparently it's the mt huashan hiking trail in china -

http://www.ssqq.com/ARCHIVE/vinlin27d.htm

Get to the top and an old beardy dude will teach you some serious kick ass martial arts.

I have never and will never sb anyone. If anyone on ILX annoys me I walk away. I wouldn't use the killfile option but it seems far less harsh than the SB.

― Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Monday, February 7, 2011 11:08 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

huh you might be right about gabbneb - if so thats probably dumb and should be reversed because dude was never a real problem iirc. so hey gabbneb if you are reading this come home all is forgiven (until yer next sb)

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:23 AM

"never a real problem" how is gabbneb allowed back but dom isn't, at the very least can we get some consistency w/r/t all this

reinstate jw & chakee

reinstate gw & chenee