post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

no it'd still be "people who ban people for being annoying are douchebags"

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code era?

― gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (1 hour ago)

Can't remember if you were here during the C-man/Momus days, but yes they were, very much so.

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 07:18 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...minus the usual sb cluskterfuck.

uh no there would have been a clusterfuck

AA i didn't mean to sound like such a dick btw, sorry

Banning posters for causing clusterfucks causes clusterfucks.

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code era?

― gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (1 hour ago)

Can't remember if you were here during the C-man/Momus days, but yes they were, very much so.

― Pashmina, Sunday, February 6, 2011 8:28 PM (5 minutes ago)

also 40 fucking "ban _________" threads every week

AA i didn't mean to sound like such a dick btw, sorry

np

my suggestion:

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can let the poster know that they are annoying a lot of people, and point to particular posts that have gotten flagged. the poster can engage with the mods to tell his/her side of the story, and ultimately mods can give the poster a warning that getting more SBs in the near future for the same behavior will result in a temp ban, like a week or something.

this sort of returns some agency to being a mod, allows for a little "due process" to the whole ordeal, and actually should give the poster some direct feedback

i think this would have worked well with whiney/deej tbh

"annoying" might be the wrong word but i think you get me

my suggestion:

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can whack them and leave the body lying there in the tall grass

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can let the poster know that they are annoying a lot of people, and point to particular posts that have gotten flagged. the poster can engage with the mods to tell his/her side of the story, and ultimately mods can give the poster a warning that getting more SBs in the near future for the same behavior will result in a temp ban, like a week or something.

This is pretty much what we now have already. Forks emailed both Deej and Whiney when they passed the 40 mark, which is something that's going to happen as a matter of course now. It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.

Forks emailed both Deej and Whiney when they passed the 40 mark, which is something that's going to happen as a matter of course now. It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.
Orrite, that's sound, I'm 100% behind it.

gr80's (buried) suggestion that the sb link be moved to the user profile page needs more consideration btw.

unco at posting today

sounds reasonable enough

Only thing I can see w that is: suggest ban button next to a post in effect flags that post as being problematic. SB report page shows a list of user's posts that have received SBs, which is often a p solid indication of what exactly it is that's fucking off ppl about whoever. (this is v useful when a spammer or racist dickhead shows up) Having SB button on profile page wd just result in poster x being sb'ed by these posters for....some unidentified reason. I think?

Thanks, Pash.

(sincere response btw (I'm on a tram))

update: I'm over it

the user profile link already has a messageid that identifies the post

sure, and i think that's an improvement. i think it could be better, though - many ppl (myself included, and i'm about to hit the 40 mark) either don't check their ilx email or have since lost access to it. also what i said forces an interaction between the poster and the mods in a way that a simple email notification doesnt

i really do think instant notification when you get the sb button pressed on you is something that has to happen soon though

xp to matt

wtf have u been posting to get 40 sbs dude

i really do think instant notification when you get the sb button pressed on you is something that has to happen soon though

― originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:10 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

this seems unnecessary labour for the mods or coders or whoever

i mean ffs, hardly anyone gets banned, and those that do are unlikely to modify their behaviour because some feeb has s-b'd them. moreover, one doesn't necessarily push the button next to an obviously offending post.

It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.

This seems like a good thing to do. Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

xp yeah maybe a yellow card would be good as well as an email; this is pretty much what yellow cards were introduced for originally before all the lols, right?

i have v few sb's but i think that would just hurt my feelings. also anonymity of sb's would be compromised, which is impt imo

i don't think putting the sb button on someone's profile really solves much but if you can still track the post i guess why not

yeah i mean coding the entire sb system in the first place was unnecessary labor and has been nothing but a failure, but here we are. might as well try to improve it

Not sure how a Suggest Ban system that leads to people getting banned can be considered a failure.

it's the wrong people getting banned, but that isn't the coders' fault

they can't just create a system that automatically is configured to ban l0u1s jagg3r

Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

i just cleaned out all the old sbs and, based on what i saw, it's very rare that people catch a suggest ban weeks later. It's almost always people impulse shooting.
It's worth stressing again that there are hundreds of users on ilx and generally, at any one time, maybe one or two who have over 40 sbs. Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population. For the rest of us, we ALL have at least three or four sbs because several people use them cavalierly and with a LOL U BANNED bent. But honestly, most people don't. the system, however flawed and stupid it may be, generally works; there's yet to be a ban kicked in where everyone was SHOCKED, SHOCKED to discover that person had gone over the line... cept maybe jordan and i don't remember what the problem was there.

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

Perhaps have ilx send that 40-sb email along with a link to every sbed post? Just a thought.

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 07:18 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

When a mod temp banned deej from one of the threads turned into beef I don't remember anyone complaining except him.

A ban from one thread that lasts a matter of hours is a totally different thing.

change that?

the ONLY idea i like from this dumb thread is board pemabans, not site permabans. and it wouldn't be v. hard to do--just count sbs per board.

where's that cankles post about how suggest bans should allow everyone to see who sb'd them so that there's a massive drama trainwreck on here everyday?

Actually I would kinda support de-anonymizing SBs.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XZNhfZqFCH4/S9cmnNDMkkI/AAAAAAAAAGs/We5Kab3UljQ/s320/PixelFarm2+copy.jpg

Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population.

a tiny percentage, you mean.

still h8 SB and wish it would go away but i'll admit the arguments for it are good ones, even if they mostly boil down to "its not going away, deal with it".

but i am for both these initiatives:

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

― bnw, Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:47 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Actually I would kinda support de-anonymizing SBs.

― where'd ya get that crapp? (pixel farmer), Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:08 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I just had this vision - what if, when creating a new thread, the thread-creator had the option of turning off SBs for that one thread. so there would be these anything goes, wild wild west threads, with "HERE BE DRAGONS" labels affixed.

think about it

xpost -- I won't be starting any gripey threads if it doesn't happen, though.

they can't just create a system that automatically is configured to ban l0u1s jagg3r

p sure the evidence has shown that they did

lol sb redirects the clusterfuck to where im not gonna read it. approve.

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.

I think this is very reasonable. Also, if a suggest ban flags a specific post, and some mods (or at least JJJusten) already tell the people who are close to 51 what posts of theirs have been SBed, why not make it so that each poster (but no one else) can see a list of their SBed posts in their profile? This would help them see what kind of behaviour is causing the SBs, if they are blind to it (as Deejs seems to have been), and (in the best case) modify it. Plus there'd be no need for mods to send special emails to people who are close to 51 anymore.

When somebody gets 51'd, they should have to post under their mother-given government names for a month.

can't wait to welcome back Poopy G. Stinkgarten