post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

hahaha

what if the SB system was like Yellow Card in which every time you got SBed, a little yellow tag showed up at the top of your screen, along with a personal message.

― r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Sunday, February 6, 2011 1:43 PM (1 hour ago)

yeah i know it's A LOT OF WORK and everything but can whoever is in charge work on improving the SB experience in ways like this if this godawful system is never going to be taken away

or they can't because it's a waste of time to cater to the ten fucking people who blab on about it incessantly.

the thing where the notifications take up your screen or whatever is kinda cheesy but yeah, real-timeish notifications of when and for what posts for which you've been SB'd would be an improvement

Total SBs received and issued should be on a users profile page. And every time you issue or receive 25 or so, you should get a little symbol after your username after each post... like football helmet reward decals. In general, we need a points systems so we know who the real winners are.

a post's background colors should get increasingly redder the more SBs that post earns.

looool

blacker imo, so eventually it will vanish

now we're cookin'

better option:

instead of colors, add brick JPGs from the bottom to the top of the post until it's entirely covered.

the SB of amontillado

why is a hyperlink allowing you to "killfile" a poster less gross than one to "suggest ban"

because it allows you to dealwithit on yr own w/o affecting others

everytime you get SBed, someone close to you is abducted and flogged

with great posting comes great responsibility

The mods' arguments itt are on the whole otm with the single glaring exception being that the sb system is not necessary.

In this particular case it sounds like whiney got to 51 and the mods said 'oh yeah, he's shitting up the place, temp ban', i.e. the whole sb culture didn't actually need to exist.

that's what happens every time, thanks for your input

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

yea then it'd be "why didn't we have a say"

no it'd still be "people who ban people for being annoying are douchebags"

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code era?

― gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (1 hour ago)

Can't remember if you were here during the C-man/Momus days, but yes they were, very much so.

Oh come on, if we'd banned Whiney outright exactly the same people would have been complaining.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 February 2011 07:18 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...minus the usual sb cluskterfuck.

uh no there would have been a clusterfuck

AA i didn't mean to sound like such a dick btw, sorry

Banning posters for causing clusterfucks causes clusterfucks.

honest question, because i can't remember: were bans/talk of bans/fear of bans/300+ threads on bans ever this big a part of ILX culture before nu-code era?

― gr8080, Sunday, 6 February 2011 18:48 (1 hour ago)

Can't remember if you were here during the C-man/Momus days, but yes they were, very much so.

― Pashmina, Sunday, February 6, 2011 8:28 PM (5 minutes ago)

also 40 fucking "ban _________" threads every week

AA i didn't mean to sound like such a dick btw, sorry

np

my suggestion:

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can let the poster know that they are annoying a lot of people, and point to particular posts that have gotten flagged. the poster can engage with the mods to tell his/her side of the story, and ultimately mods can give the poster a warning that getting more SBs in the near future for the same behavior will result in a temp ban, like a week or something.

this sort of returns some agency to being a mod, allows for a little "due process" to the whole ordeal, and actually should give the poster some direct feedback

i think this would have worked well with whiney/deej tbh

"annoying" might be the wrong word but i think you get me

my suggestion:

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can whack them and leave the body lying there in the tall grass

keep the suggest ban button. when a poster or posters (as in this case) starts racking a bunch up in a short period of time, mods invite them to a private mod board or thread, where the mods can let the poster know that they are annoying a lot of people, and point to particular posts that have gotten flagged. the poster can engage with the mods to tell his/her side of the story, and ultimately mods can give the poster a warning that getting more SBs in the near future for the same behavior will result in a temp ban, like a week or something.

This is pretty much what we now have already. Forks emailed both Deej and Whiney when they passed the 40 mark, which is something that's going to happen as a matter of course now. It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.

Forks emailed both Deej and Whiney when they passed the 40 mark, which is something that's going to happen as a matter of course now. It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.
Orrite, that's sound, I'm 100% behind it.

gr80's (buried) suggestion that the sb link be moved to the user profile page needs more consideration btw.

unco at posting today

sounds reasonable enough

Only thing I can see w that is: suggest ban button next to a post in effect flags that post as being problematic. SB report page shows a list of user's posts that have received SBs, which is often a p solid indication of what exactly it is that's fucking off ppl about whoever. (this is v useful when a spammer or racist dickhead shows up) Having SB button on profile page wd just result in poster x being sb'ed by these posters for....some unidentified reason. I think?

Thanks, Pash.

(sincere response btw (I'm on a tram))

update: I'm over it

the user profile link already has a messageid that identifies the post

sure, and i think that's an improvement. i think it could be better, though - many ppl (myself included, and i'm about to hit the 40 mark) either don't check their ilx email or have since lost access to it. also what i said forces an interaction between the poster and the mods in a way that a simple email notification doesnt

i really do think instant notification when you get the sb button pressed on you is something that has to happen soon though

xp to matt

wtf have u been posting to get 40 sbs dude

i really do think instant notification when you get the sb button pressed on you is something that has to happen soon though

― originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:10 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

this seems unnecessary labour for the mods or coders or whoever

i mean ffs, hardly anyone gets banned, and those that do are unlikely to modify their behaviour because some feeb has s-b'd them. moreover, one doesn't necessarily push the button next to an obviously offending post.

It was along the lines of "this is a courtesy email to let you know you've now got 40 SBs, nothing to worry about yet but you may want to modify your posting style over the next few weeks". Neither of them did.

This seems like a good thing to do. Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

xp yeah maybe a yellow card would be good as well as an email; this is pretty much what yellow cards were introduced for originally before all the lols, right?

i have v few sb's but i think that would just hurt my feelings. also anonymity of sb's would be compromised, which is impt imo

i don't think putting the sb button on someone's profile really solves much but if you can still track the post i guess why not

yeah i mean coding the entire sb system in the first place was unnecessary labor and has been nothing but a failure, but here we are. might as well try to improve it

Not sure how a Suggest Ban system that leads to people getting banned can be considered a failure.

it's the wrong people getting banned, but that isn't the coders' fault

they can't just create a system that automatically is configured to ban l0u1s jagg3r

Just wondering, if a controversial poster calms down after receiving their 40 SB notification but continues to rack up another 11 SBs from week-old posts, would this be borne in mind by the mods or wd it just be "lol well too late, sucker"? (Or are SBs almost always given within a day or two of the posts they're attached to?)

i just cleaned out all the old sbs and, based on what i saw, it's very rare that people catch a suggest ban weeks later. It's almost always people impulse shooting.
It's worth stressing again that there are hundreds of users on ilx and generally, at any one time, maybe one or two who have over 40 sbs. Anybody on that end of the spectrum is doing SOMETHING to agitate a sizable percentage of the population. For the rest of us, we ALL have at least three or four sbs because several people use them cavalierly and with a LOL U BANNED bent. But honestly, most people don't. the system, however flawed and stupid it may be, generally works; there's yet to be a ban kicked in where everyone was SHOCKED, SHOCKED to discover that person had gone over the line... cept maybe jordan and i don't remember what the problem was there.

Change 51 to a dynamic number based on over 50% of daily unique visitors. Should take only 5 minutes.