Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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Harris is divested of music titles.

that's pretty big news, I'd say! they had a bunch of them.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish they sold metal hammer where i live. i wish they sold anything where i live. they do have revolver at the drug store, but i've never bought a copy. which is weird, cuz i'll buy anything. maybe i'll buy the one out now. (that interview with the editor over at revolver on rockcritics.com scared me from ever sending them my stuff. he said something about not liking...whatever it is i do. i can't remember the specifics.)

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"whatever it is i do"

not ME personally. just my ilk, i guess.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

You have an ilk?

I want an ilk.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 March 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate the rest of denis publications, but blender is good with all kinds of music, its smart about shit that sells (cf the kenny chesney feature), it cares about culture (the mars hill article), it has fun (the 848 feature) and it actually hires women and other minorities to write for it...its not a bad magazine.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:03 (eighteen years ago) link

the butt-rock journal of note

roffle

m coleman (lovebug starski), Thursday, 9 March 2006 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Bring back MELODY MAKER...

Russell Dixon (Skinny), Thursday, 9 March 2006 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait did Matos really come out pro-America's Sweetheart in this thread?

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

That rockcritics.com interview was weird, because the interviewer mentioned me by name as a contributor that made the mag interesting, or something (I forget, it's been awhile), yet it was right after that that my work for them pretty much dried up.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh I currently owe Harris thousands of dollars so I feel like they had more than just Revolver, or did they sell other ones lately?

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

uhh, you owe Harris $$$, Eppy? are you an advertiser, or do you work for one?

harris owned Guitar World forever, and started Revolver as an american Mojo/Q right before Blender came along. So they changed it into a slightly more canny version of Hit Parader or Circus or…Rock Sound? is that what it's called? it has made money, apparently, on the backs of white dirtbags. the editor referenced above doesn't much care for the nu-metal/screamo stuff he must cover…

I think harris still owns King, which wags referred to as "Blaxim."

veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Er, sorry, it's probably worrisome that I personalized it so much, but I really mean "the company that I work for." Harris is very much on my mind these days.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM: The Magazine needs its own thread.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to do a "ChartWatch" column for ILM: The Magazine (if the Good Dr. Bill doesn't beat me to it)!

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://www.spin.com/needanangel/images/final_main2.jpg

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

alt.porn? Is that where they have alt.sex?

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Great, just what we need. Another talent-free low self-esteem girl to help us "broaden our horizons".

Goodbye Spin.

everything, Friday, 31 March 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

She's about as curvy as a stringbean.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, at least she resembles PJ Harvey a little bit.

Jeff K (jeff k), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if they're circling the drain - check out this scoop:

http://www.spin.com/reviews/magazine/2006/04/060323_gunsnroses/

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait a minute, how can that review be posted on April 1st if it's still March 31st? (wink, wink)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

what, they review Chinese Democracy but not the new My Bloody Valentine album??!? Spin has LOST IT

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

lol what about the neutral milk hotel album, fellows

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

its only slightly worse than the Smiths reunion album.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of reunions, there's mumblings of a lethargy/vertigo one-off charity festival date

latebloomer: a power and finesse vocalist (latebloomer), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't forget the 'Mats! (I'd tell my troubles to that girl, but I bet she's not the real Adviser.)

don, Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Porn and sex are barely connected so I don't see how a 'porn star' could help people with sexual problems.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 1 April 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

It's alt. porn. They have tattoos and flesh plugs and stuff!

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Saturday, 1 April 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd say Spin started going downhill once Ultragrrrl stopped writing for them.

Wrinklepaws (Wrinklepaws), Saturday, 1 April 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I looked at ms Angel's website, the url of which was listed on the spin advert that don weiner presented, above. I d/l-ed & watched one of the clips. A skanky, albeit attractive young woman with a lot of tattoos is in a house with a young bearded guy who appears to be a carpenter - he has carpentry tools attached to his belt. She has bleached blonde hair with the roots showing (I like this) and too much eye makeup (not this though. Pandas =/= hott) They feel each other up a bit, then have sex. In one short sequence they are in "reverse cowgirl" position, or a minor variant thereof. She props hersef up by holding onto one of those long yellow aluminium spirit levels. They then shift to missionary position. She is wearing horrible platform shoes. Perhaps she isn't that attractive really. I notice that she is wearing a necklace withe the word "skank" on it. The guy looks a bit dorky. Then they are standing next to each other. The woman says to the man "I can't wait to put my mouth on your cock". In what I presume is an attempt at humour, the man holds up a caulk gun of the sort one would use to squirt silicone sealant around the edge of a bathtub, advises her that it is hazardous to her health, and that she should try his dick. It wasn't terrible, I guess, but I didn't think it was very good either. The woman in the clip was not the woman in the spin advert.

I am not sure how producing material of this sort qualifies ms Angel to be a sex columnist? Unless the only questions they will be fielding will be from workers in the adult industry?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

ewww.. looks like something else is circling the drain.

Chex Dwarf (sanskrit), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, Nu-Spin is trying to jump on the alt-porn/Suicide Girls thing, I can understand the thinking there. The thing that throws me is that woman being described as "curvy." I'm hoping that's just a lazy copy writer's generic way of signifying a sexy woman, or that's really warped.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Tut tut Pash, once you bragged of having none of that kinda stuff, now you jump at every chance to see it. I blame the (incredibly crappy) 9 Songs.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Saturday, 1 April 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Spin should just merge with Fuse and call the magazine Boob Fusion. Sales would be thru the roof!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 1 April 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Patrick you found out my mucky secret, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club turned me into a raging perv :|

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 1 April 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

They should get Pashmina to do a sex advice column.

Eppy (Eppy), Saturday, 1 April 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

dear ms angel,

i met this girl on ilm and at first the sex was really great but now she thinks the first side of forever changes is better than the second wtf.

please help,
c/d my girlfriend

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 1 April 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

visible boobs = curvy these days, I think. Blame Paris Hilton and Mischa Barton, etc..

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Saturday, 1 April 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

SPIN Magazine: Teaching America to not just accept upcoming global famine, but enjoy as well.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 1 April 2006 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

scott, please cross over and become an editor somewheres...

Beta (abeta), Saturday, 1 April 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Pashmina's description is hilarious but I suspect the actual videos leave a lot to be desired.

more alt.humor, less alt.porn (mike h.), Sunday, 2 April 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

That Chinese Democracy review is great. I love Klosterman's music writing. Jon Dolan's Katrina piece was my favorite thing in there for years.

Both of them are out of the new Spin, though, or so I hear...

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Sunday, 2 April 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

there are exactly two folks from the edit staff left…i would imagine that their hatred for the new EIC is fairly volcanic…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Sunday, 2 April 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
the new, fully Pemberton-ized Spin is out. look at in the store, and marvel at how laughably similar it is to Blender.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:50 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
It finally arrived at my house and honestly, I simply cannot believe it is this bad.

The sectional breakdown, so you never have to waste your money on this:

COVER: Dismal layout/design, pathetically cloying typeface, a thudding dumbing-down that simply could not have been imagined. Gag on this: "America's 101 Wildest Parties!" At least the new tagline is mediocre; it could have been outright bad.

MASTHEAD: Pemberton's name makes me anxious. Having Charles Aaron as music editor makes me feel like I'm 40.

FOB - SPIN OUT: awful, 2nd-rate VICE photo gag featuring the absolute worst NYC nightlife has to offer. I don't want to know these people, let alone read about them or hear their response to the inane question of "If you were a musical instrument, what kind of musical instrument would you be?" Seriously, who the fuck wrote this?

FOB - Editor's letter: Embarassingly unfunny. Predictably poorly written. Wow.

FOB - "The Download 20": ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FOB - "Barometer": worst lead-off FOB article in a music mag, like, ever. This is how you introduce "music for life"? The second article is actualyl even LESS FUCKING RELEVANT; why is there an article on French rioters?

FOB - "The Joy of Text": this appears to be an unclever idea for a column...Ariane Marder (WTF?) interviews people by text messaging.

FOB - More "Barometer" featuring one of those really, really interesting updates on Pete Doherty. Somebody wake up the fucking editor there and tell them that there are at least 10,000 junkies more interesting than this guy, and probably several hundred who sell more records.'

FOB - "SPIN Looks": This is another VICE-ly stab at relevance where they take a picture of some fame-seeker in New York and then ask a bunch of fashion related questions. Not only dumb, but poorly executed. Several pages later, we have "My Brilliant Career", which is sort of the same thing except they have some editorial assistant's friend who doesn't even work in the music business playing "ten questions." Oh, and then to show how much Pemberton doesn't get it, he repeats the "SPIN Looks" sidebar a couple of pages later with someone who is even more uninteresting than the first.

FOB - "The Brain" : In yet another idea repurposed from Blender, Charles Aaron "answers your ticklish questions" about music. What's with everyone in the mag with even a partial column getting their picture by the header. I'm a fan of Aaron but dude seriously looks like he's got a physics class to teach. Nearby "The Brain" we have one of those advertorials called "SPIN Genius Thing", which tells us how great the $350 Pentax camera is.

FOB - "Send Me An Angel": Here we have the slut column. Words fail me.

Interview - LL COOL J: He was the coolest rapper when I was in high school. In 1986. The "buying guide" sidebar is handy, if pretty much ubiquitous (thanks to Pemberton's alma mater.)

Summer Concert Preview - Kind of better than I thought it might be, but it's nothing new to the magazine.

Feature - Kelis: Is she really going to be hot this year or yet another one-hit wonder?

Feature - "Welcome To Ghost Town": thousands of words on...Chernobyl?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Have these people lost their fucking minds?????????

Feature - Eddie Vedder: a decent Q&A, although since he's hitting all the major mags it's sort of seems...dated already. Hopefully they've got a Nirvana interview to run next month as a follow-up.

Feature - Parker Posey's picture scrapbook: kind of a good idea, although Posey seems like one of those celebs that only New Yorkers are in love with. That, and I kept wondering where the pics of Ryan Adams were.

Feature - Jack White and his backing band: Is this guy blowing someone at SPIN? Because they are on his jock like white on rice.

Reviews - now called "In & Out": The thing that happens when you slice reviews down to 100 or so words is that you pretty much make them stylishly indistinguishable. In other words, there's no need for bylines since every writer sounds exactly the same. Or, in this case, every review reads like it was lifted from Blender. The section is totally without personality. Same with the video reviews. Congrats, SPIN. You've really cooked this goose well.

BOB - "SPIN Out": Distressingly titled, but simply the absolute worst waste of copy space I've ever seen in a glossy. Ever. Worse than any events listing in any alterna-weekly. And as if listing over a hundred bar nights in a ploy to raise ad revenues wasn't bad enough, SPIN brings back the dingbat known as Ultragrrl as a feature events writer. There are SIX FULL PAGES OF THIS WITH NO ADS TO BREAK ANYTHING UP. It's worthless, unimaginative, and ugly in a way that I am stunned any graphic designer could tolerate.

BOB - "Navigator": Cribbed from CMJ Monthly, this is a city guide. CMJ did this much better. Terribly ugly to look at, so bad that you will never read one entry.

Backpage - "25 Questions For Bill Maher": The biggest question of course is, "Who gives a shit about Bill Maher?"


Admittedly, I had low expectations but this issue floored me. The design alone is so pathetic, so lifeless. The editorial direction has absolutely no focus and the execution is what I might expect from Parade magazine; I'd credit part of this to a new editor but there is no promise anywhere. Blender is ten times better than this.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally finished reading this. It didn't get better with perusal.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

You're only making me want to buy a copy, if only to marvel at the trainwreck of it all.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I looked at it in the Birmingham, Alabama airport yesterday and I was a bit shocked at how short reviews are now in print media. Were they always that short? They must be under a lot of pressure.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Blender's reviews have way more character than the blurbs running in Spin now

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"Navigator": Cribbed from CMJ Monthly, this is a city guide. CMJ did this much better. Terribly ugly to look at, so bad that you will never read one entry.

These things were such a fucking pain in the ass to put together! They can have them!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link


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