post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

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So since this us kinda winding down - just to clarify there aren't any actual arguments in this thread for getting rid of suggest ban other than

1. I don't like it
2. People I like get sbed so sb is bad
3. It is gross because having it by every post makes ilx look bad to the rest of the Internet
4. It enables sissies/pussies/the thin skinned/the passive aggressive and they should directly approach the sbed dude because that is what I think I would do if I were them

Absolutely none of which is convincing to me at all.

uh oh

god save the mod

5. 51 is an arbitrary number especially considering there's no "suggest stay" KIP BRO

6. reject ban culture

Right but any number is a arbitrary number so I don't see what that has to do with anything really xpost

thats exactly the point that I'm making about why SB's are gross

Balance it out with a "suggest stay" or get rid of it. 51 is bullshit.

that was a bullshit summary, jjjusten. You'd do much better saying you hear the arguments against but still think it serves a purpose, etc. Being totally dismissive just makes people who don't like the system feel they aren't being heard at all.

and also this "people I like get sb'd" is no worse then "people I don't like, I sb" i.e. why do we need a reason to justify not banning someone if the sb system requires no such reason to ban someone?

im not being dismissive, im being honest. i honestly see absolutely no other arguments being raised here, and if someone wants to point out what im missing thats great. but i dont actually think i am, and i think this kind of always boils down to i want the board to be this way vs someone else wanting the board to be a different way - which means that no matter what, people dont get what they want.

also i think that yer setting up a false dichotomy there in the second post - it seems kinda clear that people are sbing for reasons beyond i dont like this person, ie this person is making me avoid threads i want to participate in, or this person is abusing other posters and that makes this feel like this is a hostile environment where i better not open my mouth unless i am willing to take the heat. that goes far beyond oh shit this dude is a dick (which sure happens), but equating that to i like this person and now i cant read their posts for a month is kinda not in the same ballpark.

I'm going to concede that I've lost this argument.

But before Pashmina or someone else shows up to do the whole "fucks sake, people" *lock thread* routine, I want say that I started this thread to constructively address something I honestly feel is bad about a messageboard I otherwise really like. Not to have some fun stirring up shit for laughs.

Less sitewide bans in general, 51 or otherwise imo

fucks sake people

psst, incidentally: the way that there will be less people banned is if less people USE the suggestban function
and i know you don't use it either grady. but a great number of people do.

Lets get back to thread/board/3-day bans

Tomboy's been gone for a while now

Tombot too

Stop Sbitchin'

'I am going to swing this knife in your direction and you get cut it's yoooooour fault'

this whole thing reminds me of a really bad pickup basketball game

the amount of weed carrying that gets done for mods banned posters around here is sickening btw, let them defend themselves not be retarded dickheads, they have all the power

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hahaha

loooooooooooooooooool

ie this person is making me avoid threads i want to participate in, or this person is abusing other posters and that makes this feel like this is a hostile environment where i better not open my mouth unless i am willing to take the heat.

this is so, so otm, esp the latter part

markers, thank you for offering your snaxpert opinion.

― estela, Friday, February 4, 2011 9:02 PM (2 days ago)

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Hundreds of responses already but I should probably point out that THERE IS ALREADY A KILLFILE SYSTEM. Killfiling doesn't really work with posters like Deej and Whiney because as mentioned above you still get all of the annoying clusterfuck that goes with them.

ok i am going to sound a total bitch right now but every single fucking time i went to post on ANY ONE of the threads about 'last train to paris', because i wanted to talk about how much i liked that record w/ ppl whose opinions i wanted to hear, it had just been taken over by tedious whiney/deej/somedude/whoever else in-biting bullshit, and i thought 'well fuck this' and fucked off. Yes they are all valued posters - certainly more integral to the life of ilx or w/e than i am - but lately it's felt like month upon month of every fucking thread skunk-sprayed with the same vicious clique being aggy and sniping at each other and frankly the thought that i'll get at least a month of ilxing without having to see deej and whiney bitching at each other fills me with relief.

and i didn't even have to sb either of them myself! (this time)

― c sharp major, Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:51 (Yesterday)

This is OTM and bears repeating. Whiney and Deej really were ruining ILM over the last few weeks. I don't think anyone is suggesting that either of them be permanently banned but really a time-out will be good for the board and hopefully the posters themselves.

i often think that the sb system sucks and was a terrible idea, but then every time i also remember that it got rid of dom, so for that reason alone i am fine with it.

― lextasy refix (lex pretend), Saturday, 5 February 2011 13:58 (Yesterday)

This is wrong, Dom was a mod ban rather than a Suggest Ban. One of the many reasons he hasn't been allowed back.

it is still a terrible system and just about every forum on the internet gets along fine without it.

― bnw, Saturday, 5 February 2011 06:33 (Yesterday)

Yes but most other forums on the internet are fucking terrible - ILX should be BETTER than other internet forums, it's the whole point. I think it was Noodle Vague who said that the primary job of mods should be to prevent ILX becoming like the rest of the internet.

idk, c sharp major is entitled to her point of view, but there are regular posters out there who are 100x more unpleasant and uninteresting than whiney, and who never get suggest-banned or even mildly censured -- but im hardly going to ask the board to change its ways just because im right and they're not

it's pretty simple mathematics that the most visible posters will get sb'd the most, which is one reason why it's a dumb system

suggest ban system has made ilx more like metafilter, which is fine for some i guess, but i stopped reading metafilter years ago because ilx was so much funnier

at what point will you stop reading ilx max

flopsonned

there are regular posters out there who are 100x more unpleasant and uninteresting than whiney, and who never get suggest-banned or even mildly censured

This is obviously subject to individual opinion. If poster x were never suggb'd, however annoying or boring they are to you, then 50 other posters didn't agree with you.

I think the reason Whiney gets SBed so often is because while there are bigger dicks on the boards, when he's being a dick he's being so in a very prolific way, and on an awful lot of threads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

xpost

Matt OTM. I mean even if he got SBed for like 17% of the annoying, dickish 'troll'-y posts he made, 17% of like 1,783 still equals more than 51.

This is wrong, Dom was a mod ban rather than a Suggest Ban

i guess this is true but when he was first b& a big deal was made out of the fact that dom had also received 51 suggest bans which felt like an attempt to bolster 'the case' against him

I don't think anyone is suggesting that either of them be permanently banned but really a time-out will be good for the board and hopefully the posters themselves.

ill suggest it. i mean if ppl are this annoyed by them why not? what purpose does sb even serve if you just keep letting ppl back

xpost(that said I actually found the beef posts amusing up until like the last two weeks -- but, like others have said, just because I found it amusing doesn't mean I should expect everyone to).

Maybe for SB to function more democratically we should allow people to campaign openly and canvass SBers. Perhaps threads titled "Ban ______" could be used for this.

I also think the main problem many people have with these "Remove SB" threads are:

1. They're often very condescending, either directly or indirectly, to anybody who contributed to a recent SB
2. They often chastise people for using the system that they have the right to use
3. They sometimes come off as "you guys suck cuz you banned someone I like, everyone should think like me".

Maybe don't start off so confrontational and alienate people from the onset!

whiney was actually banned on 3 november -- this must be a record for re-banning?

I'm pretty sure Gabbnebb got there quicker, but yeah it was very quick.

will it really be 90 days though?

Re: tyranny of the majority --
decisions made by a majority under that system would place that majority's interests so far above a dissenting individual's interest that the individual would be actively oppressed

What would the dissenting individual's interest be here? Developing an aesthetic of uncivility?

also i have to say i think deej getting 51'd is particularly mean-spirited because his obtuse efforts at understanding just why he annoyed so many other posters was so sad & charming & authentic

reminding ILXors that ILX is the internet, and not say, COMPARABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT

^^^ talks democracy but favours the jackboot of STFU