post here if you favor replacing our Suggest Ban system with a Killfile system

suggest ban is for shit. so is killfile, but that's up to the moron who institutes it for him/herself.

also re: my hilarious post you quoted: iirc when SB's were first rolled out it was understood that it was a permanent ban. 51'd posters being allowed to return came later.

Draw the line where in real life you would punch them in the face or call the cops. Not where you would throw a drink in their face. Certainly not the SB system where if you're obnoxious 50 times in 6 months you get a month in solitary.

― Kerm, Friday, February 4, 2011 9:30 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Uh-oh. Looks like you're going to get banned too.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, February 5, 2011 12:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

wut?

http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/su_spot-black.gif

I am so much a lover of freedom that I don't even sb evildoers

ok i am going to sound a total bitch right now but every single fucking time i went to post on ANY ONE of the threads about 'last train to paris', because i wanted to talk about how much i liked that record w/ ppl whose opinions i wanted to hear, it had just been taken over by tedious whiney/deej/somedude/whoever else in-biting bullshit, and i thought 'well fuck this' and fucked off. Yes they are all valued posters - certainly more integral to the life of ilx or w/e than i am - but lately it's felt like month upon month of every fucking thread skunk-sprayed with the same vicious clique being aggy and sniping at each other and frankly the thought that i'll get at least a month of ilxing without having to see deej and whiney bitching at each other fills me with relief.

and i didn't even have to sb either of them myself! (this time)

otm

i often think that the sb system sucks and was a terrible idea, but then every time i also remember that it got rid of dom, so for that reason alone i am fine with it.

So we've got talk on this thread about permabans (including a list), a mod misses the point on the OP and then pulls the "why should I even bother!" card, a discussion on whether users should be able to view all of the site's new answers at once, and maybe a fifth of the thread actually talking about sb's vs killfiles. Great job, everyone!

Okay, personally I think killfiles are a bad idea. If I killfiled someone, I'd still have to read everybody's responses to them on whatever thread we were mutually posting on. When you sb someone, you take them out f the picture entirely for like a month, and for the most part when they happen it's a total fucking relief.

x-post Yeah but that's not exactly surprising, is it?

I don't have a problem with any of these guys individually but everything CSM said is totally right. I've avoided many threads because the discussion seems to get derailed by cattiness and dumb bitching between a small group of people. Maybe some people find that interesting to read but I can't really think of anything I'd want to read less. OK, that's and exaggeration but you know what I mean.

I used to be totally against the SB system and I'm still not really sure where I stand on it but it seems to have worked pretty damn well today. Yes, I've used it, but I'd be surprised if I've ever done so more than 10 times in total. I think it should be reserved for extreme situations only but anyway for now I'm happy that it exists and forces some people to have necessary breaks. Maybe when they return they can grow up a little and stop acting like middle schoolers and fucking up perfectly good threads.

So I guess I'm in favor of keeping SB but I do like the idea of putting the button on the user profile instead of next to each and every post.

Yeah, that's probably not a bad idea.

And everybody's profile should have the user's baby picture on it, to drive home the fact that they too once were innocent.

my only recommendation would be some kind of auto-notification system for when you're getting close

what does placing the SB button in the user profile do - some sort of peta "you must yourself kill the cow you're going to eat" type deal?

does anyone actually look at user profile pages?

probably not but if the SB button was there I'm sure they would

most of them are empty?

the point of having the SB button next to the post is it gives some indication - a vague one sometimes but still - of what a poster says that actually makes people want them to go sit on the naughty step for a month

Yeah but nobody sees that except mods so I don't really see how that's helpful.

I just thought that putting it in the profile might make people less likely to SB left and right for every little post and reserve it for more serious occasions.

On the contrary tho, it might make the SB a personal grudge thing rather than a response to specific acts of dickery? I freely admit to having a wobbly SB finger but I've honestly never clicked somebody just because of who they are. Admittedly some people have a habit of being annoying repeatedly but I do wait until I'm actively annoyed.

man I was totally going to do That's When I Reach for My SB Button as a dn but what's the point after it's already a thread title

Yeah, there is that.

Oh fuck it, I don't know. It's obviously a very flawed system and in a lot of ways I'm still inclined to think that people should just stop being babies and learn to deal with it and ignore posters they don't like. However, in this particular instance and it's probably the first time I can actually say this, I'm glad to see certain people SBd. It was just too much! I felt like parts of the board were taken over by stupid unfunny beefs between a couple of posters.

In regards to the killfile thing I'll echo what other people have said and don't really see that as a great solution because you'd still have to view the responses and ensuing clusterfucks etc. around people that you've killfiled. Also, I'm not a child and, for the most part, can read but gloss over the posts of people I don't like.

not gloss over but you know what I mean - read but ignore or whatever

I can't think of anybody who got 51d where there wasn't clear and obvious reasons why it might've happened, right or wrong.

I only started using killfile recently & it's been very nice; the posters I've ~~eliminated~~ annoyed me but seem ok to others, & threads still flow fine to me.

Maybe a first thing before pushing strongly for replacing sb with killfile would be for more posters to see how they like ILX with the ones they dread killfiled. Like maybe the dynamic of the board would change a lot if killfile were more widespread & the things that lead to sbs would be reduced (if there's a troll in the thread & nobody reads it, is it really a troll?)

a board full of people talking to themselves would just be

no, I got nothing. sorry.

btw the reason i didnt address the the points in the original post is that i didnt think my response was gonna be terribly edifying - basically it would be that i think the sb system works just fine, i think killfile is super annoying and dont see why peeps should have to do that just so other peeps can act however they want, and as for the big problem with the sb link being by every post - i honestly dont understand at all what the issue with that is at all. plus it is the only way mods can tell why someone is getting the sbs, which ive shared with any high sb poster that asks.

i actually think that sb by user profile would make the whole system way shittier, more likely to be personal/vindictive, and more impenetrable.

and annoyingly i am about to leave for work so if that needs clarification im not going to be back for a bit, so i swear im not ignoring you

haha yeah I don't think it'd work like that exactly; my guess is that the same small group of people would be killfiled...which is why thinking that sb & killfile could play a similar functional role in ~improving the board~ is reasonable imo

xp to nv

the comedy prospects of that are intriguing but I wd want some sort of inverted site view where you could visit the valley of the killfiled and see what it looks like

y'all know that you can set up which boards show up on your Site New Answers view, right?

i dunno, i've used sb more as a "u need a break" thing than a "i actually dislike u" thing--in some cases it's been posters whose posts i oftentimes like but they've kind of gone off the rails w/r/t signal:noise ratio. i don't think there's anyone on this board today who i've found so awful that i never, ever want to read what they have to say.

(many xposts)

comedy response would be ILM but it's not what I think & anyway your q is butthurt catnip so I'm gonna stay away

xp to nv again

i mean there've been some o_O SBs but like why is it every time a completely obvious one happens, there's an ILX tribunal? Like it's the damning evidence that finally exposes the fatal flaw in the system?

I mean I like Whiney and deej both and would never vote for them to be excommunicated, but I mean asking "why?" is like saying "How come Michael Hutchence doesn't answer the phone when I call?"

imo, give whiney and deej 30 days off -- and when they come back, as a permanent punishment, ban Whiney from 'based god' nicknames, and deej from 'kl0p' nicknames as a permanent reminder of the ramifications of thread-shitting-up

I think the best solution is when whiney and deej come back, permanently killfile them from each other

won't stop them. then we'll get the 'hypothetical' beef

"if whiney just made a sarcastic dismissal of a Gucci mixtape TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF"

I don't think a killfile function would be like reading a thread with one of the stereo channels turned off or that there would be these gaping holes in the conversation. Users would likely not killfile anyone they want to engage with on a regular basis, and when you think about it really, this whole board sometimes sounds like a bunch of Sixth Sense ghosts talking about similar topics inside a thread.

For example, though I think I make some pretty good points, if you were to have me killfile and couldn't read this, your posting experience wouldn't be much different in all likelihood.

Putting the SB button on the profile and adding that extra step would be as effective as only selling alcohol from state-owned liquor stores. People are still going to get fucked up, even if they have to drive to the county line or walk the extra block.

I feel like liberal use of the killfile would turn ILX into the message board equivalent of those garfield cartoons w/ the captions removed

killfile paranoia, unbearable

killfile to me = "just put up with AssholePosterA's really irritating behavior and ignore them", which kind of means let people be dicks without repercussion.

yea, if someone is merely annoying to you, I don't think that's grounds for SB at all. there's always people we don't like. however, in many cases, pedantic and frequent derailing personal arguments/insults and/or all-out dickheaded behavior really clusterfuck up threads and ruin them for everybody.

A distinction between these two types of behavior is important, and kind of illustrates why neither killfile or SB are the real answer. People should have to deal with the fact that they'll find some people annoying, and if they wanna killfile em, so be it...but there is behavior that goes beyond "annoying" and into "disruptive", and those people should be dealt with.

--spoken as a man who has been banned from more message boards then I can count on 7 hands.

And everybody's profile should have the user's baby picture on it, to drive home the fact that they too once were innocent.
― Catsupppppp Grind (kkvgz), Saturday, February 5, 2011 2:42 PM

^A+ post imo btw

peron! peron! peron!

I was sick and tired of deej and whiney fucking up every thread too but I chose to be an adult and engage them when it was an option and ignore them when it wasn't.

your SB vote should be made public, not be a chickenshit anonymous move.

also re: how weird threads would get with killfile: it's a pretty standard function on lots of other message boards who don't seem to have that problem at all whereas ILX is the only board to give you an option to kick off another poster next to every post.

problem is no matter how often some of us said "knock off the beef", it...kept...on....going.

no disrespect to either of em cuz they're valid contributors, and I want em back, but...I think both of em need time off

i wd like a killfile system

mods are manipulating suggest ban totals fyi

classic thread, classic closing post

keep it negative dickhole 77 zing posse

clearly!