In Praise Of : New Order's 'Movement'

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Do it! I want to hear this. Chosen time has always seemed like an underappreciated gem in their back catalogue (though I know there are people who'll make the same claim for every album track they've got). One of the more successful productions on 'Movement', IMO, with fantastic drums and that incredible outro.

Have just been youtubing looking for some of those wonderful live performances! Also thanks to this thread will be ripping Taras DVD to mp3.

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Is 'Chosen Time' the missing link between traditional drums-guitar-bass-synth stuff like 'Procession' and the first experiments with letting a sequencer lead the way, like 'EGG'? Seems so.

it's very fast. i'd say it's nearly 140bpm. high 130s for sure. would make a compelling dnb remix if done in a style similar to black secret technology.

Track down the bootleg of their gig at the Haçienda, 26 June 1982 — VERY fast. Not the best recording I've heard, but the band absolutely tear through the material. 'Denial' is punishing.

I guess I could post the files somewhere, if anyone's interested.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/carnage2/204856356/

This gig!

Oh, people would be interested!

I'm working on it :)

I will work on the re-edit. Might take a while though, don't want to accidentally make my favourite song suck.

I guess I could post the files somewhere, if anyone's interested

FUCK yes.

Chosen time seems to be at 162bpm!

Wow.

Cerysmatic Factory's info page

Seems that there's some confusion about what songs were played on the Haçienda's opening night, but here's the real setlist:

In a Lonely Place
Ultraviolence (power was cut during the gig, resumed after 20 minutes)
Ultraviolence (best performance I've ever heard)
Denial
The Village
We All Stand
Senses
Chosen Time
5-8-6/Temptation (a pretty sweet segue)

Percussion is overpowering and bass levels are way too high, but it's remarkably clear — I'd take something like this over a soundboard recording. Best listened to LOUD.

Can we post direct links to bootlegs here? It's ready.

DO IT!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/d44xo6

192 kbps AAC's from a friend 3-4 years ago. Wish I had the original source.

Millsner, you are an almighty dude. Thank you.

Wow, that is fast!

I just like having other people to gush over the songs with!

LOLing at Bernard singing 1 line falsetto during In A Lonely Place :)

I'm not going to get a chance to listen to this till tomorrow. But I genuinely cannot wait. I might get up early especially.

Haha, punter yelling "brilliant!" in the left channel around 3:40.

It's probably one of the 5 favourite bootlegs in my stash. I'm more than happy to share!

Excellent version of Denial, Steve playing unbelievably fast, synths sounding otherworldly, heavy echo on Bernard's vox

Amazing raspy / farty sawtooth bass on The Village. Cool proto lyrics too "It goes up, it goes down" Plus whooping.

It's always the live performances that remind me how kickass and heavy Senses is once it gets going.

Ha. Saw them a few times around then, even @ the Hacienda in what I RECALL as the Summer of 82, but maybe it was 83. Every time I've seen them they've gone on about an hour late, and then, every time I've seen them, somewhere in the set I would think to myself, this may be one of the greatest rock bands ever.

That being said, I don't think of myself as a huge fan, and BTW, Bernard Sumner is a huge TWAT.

Thanks for the DL!

Have we polled this album? One of these records where each song seems to be my favorite when it plays. Right now it's 'Denial'. I dunno if its my favoirte NO record but I don't think Bernard's guitar never sounded as good.

Ok no - The Him is my favorite!

Have we polled this album? One of these records where each song seems to be my favorite when it plays. Right now it's 'Denial'. I dunno if its my favoirte NO record but I don't think Bernard's guitar never sounded as good.

Sure Barney's a twat, but can you handle the MOVEMENT poll?

ICB Live 1981

Chosen Time Live 1981

I'm working on posting a New Order 1982/83 set of live stuff here.Uploading as i type.Various sound quality but mostly soundboard.You could assemble your own live show out of it.Here's the tracks.

In a Lonely Place/Temptation/586/ICB/Leave Me Alone/Hurt(2 different versions by accident)/Chosen Time/Truth(2 versions again by mistake)/Confusion/Denial/Your Silent Face/Procession/Ceremony/Blue Monday/The Him/We All Stand/The Village/Age of Consent/Ultraviolence/When I'm With You(Sparks cover!!)/She's Lost Control(actually from 1985..i cheated)

These are warts & all versions & some of the songs are in the early stages of their development.Great stuff & i'll have them up sometime tonight using Divshare.

Thanks, will look forward to hearing those. And thanks also to brotherlovesdub for the videos.

Okay 3 folders 3 links 23 songs played live by New Order in 1982/83 in fair to excellent quality.No order to the folders i just bunched them together.And yes they played their early material really fast at times

http://www.divshare.com/download/6014801-102

http://www.divshare.com/download/6014602-0a7

http://www.divshare.com/download/6014212-bd9

Bought this on vinyl this week because Dr C is such a convincing apostle and i love other early new order. What put me off buying the album when I was a teenager was
a) the blurriness of the vocal presence down in the mix. This occurred for obvious reasons, the rest of the band lacked confidence after IC, but it can be offputting. Doubts Even Here is the strongest song in that sense, so it carries a greater emotional charge. The blurring effect of adding Gillian's voice keeps the mystery intact.
b) the density of sound. This is probably due to Hannett's production, brilliant though it is.
What happened around the time of Blue Monday and Power Corruption and Lies was the vocal line became clearer, with more confident melodies and lyrics, and the sound became more sparse; more empty spaces.
It remains a fascinating piece of work, and I especially love Dreams Never End, Chosen Time and Doubts Even Here. Intere4sting how if prefigures so much 80s indie work. Dreams Never End is the Cure's Inbetween Days, for instance.
I'm interested in what Dr C's other 2 favourite New Order tracks are? My money is on Ceremony and Everything's Gone Green.
I'm still more in love with PCL than Movement; it retains the experimentation that made their early work so great, but with the beginnings of that pop sensibility that took over later.

Wow, on the 1981 YouTube of chosen time above the music is perfect, and there is a great extended coda, but Barney's vocal is compellingly monotone. A real train wreck of a vocal, he looks so uncomfortable up there. Recommended.

Captain Groovy, not had a chance to listen to your links yet, but thanks for sharing.

I'm interested in what Dr C's other 2 favourite New Order tracks are? My money is on Ceremony and Everything's Gone Green.

I can't remember what they were when I wrote the above, but I'd probably go for those two. Ceremony would have to be the 3-piece original version of course!

Dr. C makes an appearance on this thread! Woohoo!

Dr. C I wore a green Ceremony T-shirt to the ACR gig last month. Did you know that?

Those are my fave songs of all time, EGG and Ceremony.

Jesus Christ of a MOTHER FUCKER that Chosen Time clip upthread.

Yeah, I just watched that Chosen Time clip about 5 times in a row. I remember discussing with Pashmina, yonks ago, what synth it was that they used on the early stuff - very clearly an ARP Quadra, so that's nice to have properly confirmed.

I can't remember what I've said on what thread, too many Movement threads going at once!

x-post : no Bimble I didn't know that, funnily enough :)

this album keeps getting better and better. the guitar in the first 30 seconds or so of Dreams Never End is stunning.

Dr C, good to hear from you. And Hi Bimble, I didn't know that either.
Have just spun the self-produced Temptation/Hurt, and it sounds heavy-handed by comparison.
Chosen Time has the womb-like warmth of Heart and Soul.

The 'slamming door' snare sound on Temptation is pretty irritating - yet it's still a fantastic track. The technology seems barely able to keep up with the bands ideas.

The production on Temptation is definitely half-assed, but not without charm. It's surprising how much better they got at it by PC&L and Blue Monday.

And I lurrrrve that 'slamming door' snare sound. The last 30 secs of Hurt are heaven.

Chosen Time could very nearly top it. Since nobody has ever re-edited it and doubled it in length I may have to give it a go myself.

― Home made ectoplasm (I am using your worlds), Thursday, December 4,

Please to make double-length, extended version of Chosen Time.

These threads are a joy. Not had a chance to catch up with all the clips and links, but the Hacienda gig is tremendous.

The technology seems barely able to keep up with the bands ideas

This has always, always been my point about New Order: that they were at their best when they were limited by the technology available, and had to work wonders/hit it with iron bars in order to make it work. And the hit-and-miss nature of the live performances just makes me love them -- the way they were -- even more. This, for instance:

is all over the fucking shop, yet it still brings a lump to my throat. There's an alchemy there; something so, so much greater than the sum of its parts -- despite, or maybe somehow because of, the fact that they were so obviously making up their entire career as they went along. And I guess what's so amazing isn't that they eventually lost it, but that they managed to maintain it for so long.

Mr. Christgau's review of Substance speaks to those points, grimly:

The secret of Bernard Albrecht's elementary vocals, Gillian Gilbert's two-finger exercises, Peter Hook's strummed bass, and the compressed physicality of Steve Morris's drums was never virtuosity--it was conception, timing, rapport, devotional concentration. Originally attracted to disco because it was trancelike, they broke through when they devised a system of kinetic percussion and hypnotic chants to keep themselves awake.

I don't think they've lost it, though; I like their newer albums a lot more than I like their mid-period albums (although favorite individual songs are largely from early-to-mid era).