latepassapedia: records that were light years better the ones indie dudes eventually endorsed as classics

This premise is retarded and that's why lj doesn't get it. It took maybe until 2003 or 2004 for op doomsday to heat up, but that fucked up record, the dream, lord willin, carter ii, that's all just bullshit, but have fun imagining what you were in on the ground floor for goon dudes

yeah this thread is basically "i liked their early 7 inches better: the poll"

this thread is even more indie than the flaming lips

lol, peacocks, if you think—even with 20/20 hindsight—that Hell Hath is better than Lord Willin then stop having opinions on rap entirely

yowhiney battles the pink peacocks

lord willin is the only one here that seems emphatic

yeah this thread is basically "i liked their early 7 inches better: the poll"

― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

notice that none of the serious metal or rap or R&B dudes are arguing with most of these

probably bcuz they care abt music, and not crappy opinions abt music

i meant the whole vibe of it is the same, the whole attitude, like what's the point? pointing out that operation doomsday is better than other mf doom shit? yay.

peaccoks are you saying that wayne/dream/clipse records AREN'T better than the ones that blew them up in indie circles or are you saying that indie ppl were always up on these artists to begin with

ha but i'm obv not a "serious dude" so what do i know? carry on.

tigermilk - belle and sebastian
simple pleasures - tindersticks
amber - autechre

probably bcuz they care abt music, and not crappy opinions abt music

― Lamp, Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:02 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol this is coming from the guy who posts on ilm only about what other posters are saying about music

artists where indie ppl were right on it

- cam'ron
- t.i.
- kanye west

modern life is rubbish - blur

the bends

would like some electronic opinions from the electronic d00ds

guys, genre music only, no indie opinions thx

electr-o-pura - yo la tengo

miles davis - bitches brew

pfork was covering wayne by carter 2 iirc

and i didn't know the-dream had even blown up in the indie sphere yet when did that happen

omar and helg are doing something beautiful

pfork was covering wayne by carter 2 iirc

i don't think that record made a year end list tho

beethovan's 4th

SunnO))) - Flight Of The Behemoth

I was saying that indies were up on those records. You guys should stick to gchat for stuff like this.

you should stick to dchat, where the d stands for my dick

brilliantly, whiney has chosen one of ILM's few female posters to say that to

thread enters stratosphere

peacocks, why u mad

lol this is coming from the guy who posts on ilm only about what other posters are saying about music

haha is this really what u think???

fennesz - hotel paral.el

Jordan grow a little self awareness with your nerdy year end list baseball stats tendency.

i think j0rdan is more crippingly self-aware than anyone on ilx save myself and markers

i think that 'carter II' is flimsiest of all of these because wayne's critical profile in that period became pretty fluid between all the mixtapes & what not

dream & clipse are pretty inarguable tho

Jordan grow a little self awareness with your nerdy year end list baseball stats tendency.

― peacocks, Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i don't even know what this means

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/25781277_0501861785_o.jpg

don't really get how a 'crippingly self-aware' whiney manages to get out of bed in the morning n/m post threads like this on ilx...

on ilx of all places

haha touché

let me just say shame on a Pitchfork for including 3 of Brian Eno's awful pop albums in their top albums of the '70s list (and the David Byrne collaboration in their '80s list) when Music for Airports and On Land and Thursday Afternoon are on a whole 'nother level. and no fucking way does Another Green World deserve their 9.8 rating.

let me also say I HATE DRAMA & I don't care who started it, god.

btw mastodon got good again w/ crack the skye

no

whiney, can you tell us who is and isn't an indie dude? I think more people would like to participate in this thread, but they are concerned about not doing it right.

btw btw btw btw xasthur is not a good answer either coz subliminal genocide is easily his best, kthx

lol thinking of 'massive counter-examples' is kinda more fun

defective epitaph is also brilliant but that's post-SG. by then there was no saving scott conner. behind the corpsepaint he was...indie

sara, indie dudes (self-indentified or otherwise) can post all over this thread. I'm just saying it's not the thread to post about Yo La Tengo

Crack the Skye is a fucking monster album. Love it. Oh, here's another:

High On Fire, The Art of Self Defense

yeah, but who are "indie dudes"? Like, how am I supposed to know what records they endorse as classics so I can post about their mediocre taste and judgment?

art of pretend semantics

seriously Whiney, I don't know. I'm not indie or a dude, and my name is Sarah btw.

Clipse seems like the archetypal example of this whole idea, in part because it's hard to attribute the leap in interest for HHNF relative to Lord Willin' to anything other than changes in the way that mainstream critical attitudes towards rap had shifted between early 2003 and late 2006. The debut was hardly an obscure record, and there's not really anything about the follow-up that suggests that critics were latching onto something different to what they could have latched onto with the debut had they so chosen.

skinny love is kinda the archetypal indie song of its era so it's hard to think of that record as in any way passed over

It always bugs me that Floral Shoppe won all the awards, but Eccojams was the better record by miles - it was obvious at the time that Floral Shoppe was a kind of "consolation prize" that was in the right place at the right time, and of course nowadays vapourwave is a silly joke that has been and gone. But Eccojams has something haunting about it. It has an emotional dimension that vapourwave mostly avoided.

rap seems particularly prone to this as it can seem like a chore to go back and listen to a hip hop album that came out 3 or 4 years ago

I really prefer "Ruins" to any of the later Oneohtrix Point Never things
Beyonce "B'Day" was, in my small world anyway, the album that opened the gates of pop (broadly speaking) to me and my indie friends and everybody put away their Shins records forever
Shostakovich symphonies 5 > 10 > 4 is the consensus but I think but 4 > 10 > 5 is correct
Eno: Green > Jets > Tiger > Science is the consensus but I think Tiger > Jets > Science > Green is correct
Stereolab mk. 1 > McCarthy >> all other iterations

Also:

I say this every three weeks I feel but Fucked Up's "Epics In Minutes" is one of the best albums (compilations) I can think of and towers over "Hidden World" and everything else
(edited because I said this seven years ago already)

Does The Outsiders vs. Chief from Eric Church fit here?

I really love Give Me Back My Hometown, but Outsiders is lesser overall I think. I dunno about indie dudes I guess, but it felt at the time like all critics were showering praise on The Outsiders retroactively for Chief

It's hard to tell with a case like that, since "Springsteen" (from Chief) is the song that got him noticed by country outsiders

1989

sorry - wrong way round. taylor had 4 (better) records under her belt before 1989

I was saying that indies were up on those records. You guys should stick to gchat for stuff like this.

― peacocks, Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:10 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you should stick to dchat, where the d stands for my dick

― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:11 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Shostakovich symphonies 5 > 10 > 4 is the consensus but I think but 4 > 10 > 5 is correct

Stalin was a milquetoast Animal Collective fan but even he knew that the Pretty Toney Album is better than Fishscale.

Shostakovich symphonies 5 > 10 > 4 is the consensus but I think but 4 > 10 > 5 is correct

It's 14 > 10 > 15 > 13 > 4 > 1 > 8 > 9 > 5 > the rest, as far as I'm concerned.

Oooooh, no 11? No Leningrad? Wow

For The Roses - Joni Mitchell

Also yeah, Shos 11 bangs wtf

10 is really amazing, the first mvt. is perfect in every way, along with 1st mvt. Bartok Music For Strings+ it's my favourite 'unspooling' in the canon. 2nd mvt. is fun when Dudamel does it; 3rd mvt. is good jokes I guess, the DSCH thing is cheesy; 4th mvt. well idk I read that at the premiere all the starving Leningradians ran out into the street crying with joy at its conclusion but to me it just sounds like a snooze alarm that won't quit

"For The Roses" isn't "light years" ahead of "Blue" but I do think it deserves much more love than the three more-celebrated albums that followed it

Listen I like For the Roses a lot but that is a wild opinion

FTR seems entirely in Blue's shadow and appears to be a bit of a blank spot, some songs are every bit as beautiful, fraught and confessional as Blue.

The 11th Symphony is decent film music disguised as Soviet agitprop. Not a bad work by any means, but it lacks the tragic heft of his less populist pieces. I like my Shosty either morbidly despairing or caustically mocking the powers-that-be, head-on, so I tend to gravitate towards his later material. Anyway, in keeping with the thread's premise, I do agree that the 4th is a better work than the 5th (I may even prefer the 1st, overall) but it doesn't top the 10th.

Ariana Grande - Dangerous Woman >>>>> Sweetener

The new Idles seems like a pretty good example of this phenomenon.

Ariana Grande - Dangerous Woman >>>>> Sweetener

― ufo, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 8:17 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

severely otm

extREMELY otm ^

Ariana Grande, My Everything >>> dangerous woman > Sweetener

christ, of all her records, my everything?

hell yeah. now don't have me take this all the way to the "inclining" thread!

er, declining. so many threads.

jesus this thread is embarrassing plz stop