yeah the island years is great. like gerald, i'd love to hear a good live show from that era. i have a couple pretty dismal (sound quality-wise) bootlegs.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Me too.I think there was Chris Spedding on guitar, shows must have been crazy, especially around the release of Helen of Troy.
― Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I picked up the New York In The 60's box set the other day. It'll probably take me a while to get my head around it, but I think I'll ultimately be able to do business with it. Seems like a good gateway into the world of the drone.
― henry s, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the ny 60s stuff is not for the faint at heart, but some of it is great. one thing i dig about the live 80s set is how brutal/simple cale's guitar playing is. obviously he's an incredibly skilled musician, but when it comes to guitar, he really just wants to pound on the thing.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
He was still playing that way when I saw him do an instore at J&R Music World last year! It probably works better when the sun goes down.
― A Man Needs A Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
But I guess I like Velvets viola-droning Cale, melodic Paris 1919 ivory-tickling Cale, gonzo live show/Tanglewood hatchet-wielding Cale, and don't really like Cosby-sweater-wearing guitar-bashing Cale.
― A Man Needs A Meme (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
hey y'all I have been obsessively collecting Cale boots from the Cowgirls era for a while now
Dallas '79 is an incredible soundboard that blows Cowgirls away, and there is a Philadelphia AUD recording that's pretty decent. Also the whole CGGB set that most of Cowgirls is taken from has been floating around as MP3s.
I'll put 'em up on the blog, shardsofbeauty.blogspot.com... gimme a couple of hours though.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yes please
― tylerw, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
woohoo
― i guess you are the fattest and the ugliest (Matt P), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
awesomeee
― iatee, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
OK all done, have at it. I'd love to hear what people think of these shows.
― sleeve, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy shit -- I've been dying to hear Cowgirls-era Cale forever but all that's been officially released from that era was...well, Cowgirls.
I suppose I can just wait for you to post it, but do any of these dates include "Fucking the Neighbor's Wife"?
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
no but wow @ that title, never heard of it.
― sleeve, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, I suppose I overstated myself - I like to supplement best-ofs that I feel are too stingy, like Cale's "Seducing Down The Door". You should already have "The Island Years" as everything there is prime Cale, not to be skipped. I'm also quite partial to his album with Eno and the "Sabotage/Live" album is killer (the CD with the "Animal Justice" EP tacked on). As it happened I had a terrific set of C90 tapes a friend had made when I first got into Cale and I pulled off the unique tracks from that as well as adding some of my own. So here's my disc 3 of "Seducing":
1. Cleo (Vintage Violence)2. Hello There (Vintage Violence)3. The Soul Of Patrick Lee (The Church Of Anthrax)4. Church Of Anthrax (The Church Of Anthrax)5. The Philosopher (The Academy In Peril)6. Dance Of The Seven Veils (Even Cowgirls Get The Blues)7. Don't Know Why She Came (Even Cowgirls Get The Blues)8. Streets Of Laredo (Honi Soit)9. Honi Soit (Honi Soit)10. Magic & Lies (Honi Suit)11. I Keep A Close Watch (new version) (Music For A New Society)12. Praetorian Underground (Caribbean Sunset)13. Never Give Up On You (Comes Alive)14. Heartbreak Hotel (Comes Alive)15. Fadeaway Tomorrow (Artificial Intelligence)16. Black Rose (Artificial Intelligence)17. Satellite Walk (Artificial Intelligence)18. She Never Took No For An Answer (Sid & Nancy soundtrack)19. There Was A Saviour - Interlude I (Words For The Dying)20. Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night (Words For The Dying)21. Songs Without Words II (Words For The Dying)22. Style It Takes (Songs For Drella)23. Forever Changed (Songs For Drella(24. Hallelujah (I'm Your Fan compilation)25. Frozen Warnings (Nico:Icon film)
I cheated, that's more than a single CD's worth. Gotta say, when I go back to the full 80s albums, I think they're mostly great and deserve a real reissue but I expect if we haven't seen it yet we never will.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
oh wait looks like I was wrong, it's on the CBGB's set (xp)
setlists:
Dallas '79 - 4/21/79 "great SB, Palladium, Dallas" Rare tape transfer, kind of a weird mix, with vocals mostly right channel, guitar left, but otherwise a clear SBD of a wonderful show, great companion to Sabotage and Even Cowgirls, alt. Lyrics for Baby and Cowgirls; Tracks: 1. Walking the Dog / 2. Mercenaries / 3. Baby You Know / 4. Guts / 5. Evidence / 6. Dr. Mudd / 7. Even Cowgirls Get the Blues / 8. Waiting for the Man / 9. Fear / 10. Chorale / 11. Leaving It Up to You / 12. Heartbreak Hotel / 13. Cable Hogue (inc. ending)
JOHN CALETHE HOT CLUB, PHILADELPHIA, PA, USAMarch 9, 1979AUDIENCE RECORDING BY THE BIG ASONY D6>1ST GEN CASSETTE>STAND ALONE BURNER>WAV>FLACSETLIST:01. mercenaries02. baby you know03. casey at the bat04. jack the ripper at the moulin rouge05. i don't know why she came06. evidence07. guts08. i'm waiting for the man09. dirty ass rock and roll10. heartbreak hotel
CBGB's 1978:1 Dance Of The Seven Veils 05:012 Helen Of Troy 04:573 Casey At The Bat 05:294 Guts 04:025 Don't Know Why She Came 04:346 Taking It All Away 03:047 Even Cowgirls Get The Blues 07:148 Darling I Need You 03:519 Mercenaries 08:0410 Neighbour's Wife 04:4111 Heartbreak Hotel 03:5612 Pablo Picasso 09:38
― sleeve, Thursday, 27 January 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Crap, I have OS X 10.4.11, which xACT doesn't work on. Any chance you could post the first two of these as mp3s?
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Use this and convert them yourself:
http://download.cnet.com/All2MP3/3000-2140_4-190407.html
Works like a charm and you don't need to to convert them to AIFF as a between step.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 27 January 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks for sharing these Sleeve! Been on a big Cale kick and can't wait to hear 'em.
Great suggestion!
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 27 January 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
weird I run the same OS, but I have a much older version of xACT, guess I better not update it.
― sleeve, Thursday, 27 January 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
These are great, btw. Love hearing this material with decent sound. The version of "Fear" on Dallas is absolutely bonkers and fantastic. "Chorale" I've never heard -- love the harmonica.
I always thought this would be a fascinating era to write about. I think it was inspired by reading some review of Sabotage somewhere (Trouser Press Record Guide maybe?) that basically said that by the time that record came out Cale's schtick had become something of a parody of itself -- that his music had taken on a heavy metal sound and that the real deal was what he was doing in '77-78, a lot of which (a la "Fucking the Neighbor's Wife" and "Dance of the Seven Veils") never came out on the studio records. Just kind of a "mythical" era in some ways.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 27 January 2011 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Thankig u
― StanM, Thursday, 27 January 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
sleeve many thanks for these!
here's to Mr. X:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHIqMmtS-0
― nerve_pylon, Thursday, 27 January 2011 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow.
Only a matter of time for that Marvin/Tammi show performance to turn up?
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 January 2011 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I did see that Pete Best one (have it on a bootvhs), but that's for another thread...
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 January 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ach, go on then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLZewcgIK8
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 January 2011 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks, sleeve!
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 January 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
oh and hey Gerald -- is Cale's version of Frozen Warnings available anywhere? is there a sdtk for that movie? i feel like i had an mp3 of that song but it was just recorded directly off a vhs copy or something.
― tylerw, Thursday, 27 January 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it's available, I got it from a vid too!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 27 January 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna check out that German live album. circa when, 1982? I saw the Sabotage tour in '79 and it was indeed awesome, metal guitar player but the rest of the band was punky & Cale was a glowering PRESENCE.
― communist kickball (m coleman), Friday, 28 January 2011 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
never heard cale's 1975 peel sesh til now -- great performance and sound quality! wonder why this has never been released? fruitierthanthou.blogspot.com/2010/10/john-cale-john-peel-session-1st-may.html
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
posted this on a john cale thread on some board called de subjectiven or some shit. meant for it to be on ILM. new ep on domino forthcoming! preview clip sounds ... kind of great? http://www.dominorecordco.com/uk/landingpage/15-07-11/john-cale-extra-playful-ep
― tylerw, Friday, 15 July 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't heard his last few albums in full (just bits) but this is decidedly the best thing I've heard from him in 20 years!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
yeah me too, i've always meant to check out his more recent albums, but just haven't. this is really promising.
― tylerw, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
did just listen to music for a new society this morning. what a brutal album.
― tylerw, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoyed the Circus Live disc from a few years back. It had a couple of cuts from the recent records and they fit in well.
This preview though sounds really great.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 July 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
hobosapiens is good.
― nerve_pylon, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
and that '5 tracks' ep.
― nerve_pylon, Friday, 15 July 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
"Outta the Bag", the first cut on Black Acetate, has Cale pulling his finest Prince impression. Stunningly great.
― doug watson, Saturday, 16 July 2011 11:02 (twelve years ago) link
There's a lot of live stuff around from '79 and thereabouts where the band have a nearly Television-y guitar interplay and is playing a broad range of his music. That includes VU, Fear, Animal Rights etc etc. Would try to see what you can find of that stuff. I'd recommend it anyway.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 16 July 2011 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
yeah sleeve posted a couple great late 70s shows over yonder: http://shardsofbeauty.blogspot.com/2011/01/john-cale-live-in-late-70s-got-my.html
― tylerw, Saturday, 16 July 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't Cowgirls semi legit if it's ROIR? Haven't heard about that getting a remaster like some of the other stuff from the label. Think I have it on Danceteria which might mean it's a boot of something more legit. Not sure about that label beyond them doing early cd versions of ROIR stuff.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 16 July 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
ECGRB's problem isn't that it wasn't mastered properly -- it's that it was recorded poorly. Which is too bad bc the performances and songs are great.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 16 July 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
New EP streaming here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/sep/14/john-cale-extra-playful-stream
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
cool, this is great. one of those older guys who hasn't lost his voice (looking in your direction, Lou). vocals here sound like they could be from 30 years ago.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
is that fripp soloing on whaddaya mean by that? ha, probably not. but sounds a bit like him.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Very true. Two songs in and it's pretty enjoyable so far.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
xp yes, the Frippy bit! Like the St Elmo's Fire sound.
lol autotuned French tune is pretty wild. "Extra Playful," indeed.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
Cheesey sleaze funk of 'Perfection' is amusing too.
― Geirge Hongriot (NickB), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link