the ny times thing talk al stewart "year of the cat" as ref point and that definitely hits it for me, though it never occured to me until i read it
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
He doesn’t seem to be pointing at any of this music out of love or fashion, or at least he doesn’t want us to think so. He seems to be pulling different strands together to make a nice dressing for poems that suggest a comfortable blankness of spirit.
WAHT
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
tomorrow i am going to go to the record store, buy "destroyer - kaputt", make some burritos, smoke a joint, and listen to this record while eating burritos
― flopson, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^like this plan
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"smoke weed listen to destroyer"
― Tim F, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I should add, though, that I actually *prefer* Pink's rambling, faux-incompetent songwriting style to Bejar's. Although the latter inhabits the textures in a smoother sense, he cannot nearly level up to the melodic gifts Ferry or Fagen bring to this sound palette.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
ie it just betrays how hollow his songwriting is when presented in such a vivid setting.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i like both of them -- destroyer is avalon & pink was more steely dan
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
love this record but invoking Fagan??...."destroyer your arms are too short to box w.god"
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda jealous of flopson's upcoming day
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, destroyer's songwriting is hollow?
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, I don't get that Pink-Dan resemblance at all. I'll grant Pink his chord and tempo changes, but the rest is closer to a nineties ideal of a fungible singer-songwriter one-man-band record.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
pink is closer to guided by voices than steely dan
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I like "Round and Round" but I don't hear what's SD-ish about it -- it sounds like mildly interesting bedsit melancholy to me. Steely Dan had a lot more going on.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
YES
Okay ah I was comparing Kaputt to the production on SD and Roxy, rather than Pink. It was a poorly formed sentence.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont listen to guided by voices -- the production vibe, bass parts & unconventional compositions remind me of steely dan. i certainly dont think ariel pink's career is at that level but 'before to day' is similar in approach imo
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i like both of them -- destroyer is avalon
to me, bejar is the new bowie.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
sans makeup and fake stage-character.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
im just talking abt how these two records sound -- is there a bowie record that sounds as much like this as avalon does?
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
no. you're right. i'm thinking more rubies-era destroyer.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
How does Bejar sound like Bowie?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah the Bowie comparisons seem further off than anything..apart from this faint dusting of 'glam'.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
In the pre-Kaputt stuff, that is.
maybe cuz Bejar sounds "odd" and "British"
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't get that at all. The production on Before Today is a little murky or hazy, but the songwriting and instrumentation is nothing like GBV.
― Tyler/Perry's "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
no. it's the shambling, loose song structures and tumbling-downhill drumming, mostly (reminds me of bowie's berlin period).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
The muffled, half-formed ideas and hints of melody that maybe cohere into something attractive definitely remind me of GBV; and there's moments when Pink's voice evokes "Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory" levels of emotion.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
also, and i have to go back to rubies to jog my memory, but i think it's also the way the guitars are arranged into the songs. not way out front, but sort of bobbing up and down like a snake.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I kinda see although I would characterise those the two elements you mentioned with Man Who Sold the World and Hunky Dory, rather than the Kraftwerkian glimmer and sheen of the Berlin-stuff.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ha i kinda love the way alfred frames everything in such pejorative terms that simply by accepting his framing you cede ground to him
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"actually i think the half-formed ideas work to ... wait a minute."
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm 1000x more likely to compare vocals (hence the Destroyer/Pet Shop Boys comparison) than lyrics. Voice is 1000x more important than lyrics
but Pink/GBV are you for real? what's wrong with you?
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i agree w/alfred and fucking love guided by voices
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
xp scratch the 'the' between those and two eek. Some weak prose mistakes tonight...
'Voice is 1000x more important than lyrics' is the wrongest thing said tonight...the enunciation and sounds of the words tell as much of the story as the timbre.
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
levels of emotional power in vocals is a good comparison? shoot metallica is like GBV sometimes. retarded
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol deej
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
First part in quotation marks = right on. Then the second sentence contradicts the preceding phrase.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Davek (davek_00)
enunciation and sounds are vox not lyrics
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i've been mildly surprised at the idea of 'cheesiness' or 'irony' as issues with this stuff, though i can see why it might be for some. can't figure out much about how age might play into that, either. (i mean, i suppose you could say i'm of the age where these sounds are like magical preconscious memories of what was on the radio when i was an infant, or something, but i'm not having any strong reaction to them like that.) it's not a sound that's limited to the distant past, eithe -- i liked late-90s Aluminum Group albums that sounded like this, and that last Scritti Politti album had some similarities with this, etc...
― oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I don't see that as a flat-out contradiction....the lyrics, the words themselves transmitted have this autonomous effect on the voice. You're responding to the aural patterns of the lyrics even if you're not registering their meaning semantically. Does that make more sense? I get your train of thought though..
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
My review mentions Scritti Politti, nabisco: that sense of a singer reciting a monologue with himself whose soundtrack comprises Toto, Scaggs, and Sylvian. Also: what's that one track which specifically namedrops magazines?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
What I love about Green Gartside is how he tosses a lifeline between himself and his listeners yet he's ready to yank it back.
I suppose you're right, but I'm certain there is this half-life that exists where the words placate the sound/vox. What can I say ILM, I come here to learn!
― Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"everything"
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
EVERYTHING
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i like that u dispute quantity, but not the main idea of that post
― challopian youtubes (deej), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
haha well of course -- I have a paradigm to uphold
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, January 24, 2011 10:31 PM (4 minutes ago)
ha you kinda turned the tables on him tho..."come on, everyth...wait"
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Dalek,
Certain words enhance the vox. I do understand what you are saying. Certain words or sentences can easily ruin a song as well. But lyrics do not influence whether or not I choose to like a song in any other way. Good lyrics do improve a tune that I already like though. I don't care for the vox on Kaputt so there's no room for improvement if I knew the lyrics.
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I did not mean to have this many posts to this thread. Sorry yall if it looks like I'm trying to troll here. I just wanted to post one or two cents about this album, see if people agree/disagree, and then bolt.
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link