80s Italo Disco POX

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they're german and they just miss the '80s by a nosehair, but ganymed was a precursor to a lot of this stuff.

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

And Fun Fun's funnest songs are "Baila Bolero" and "Happy Station", by the way. Though others might come close.

chuck, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't recall that there were many seminal releases pre-1980

http://www.rephlex.com/2001releases/cat146/146cd-150dpi.jpg

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd add:

Queen Of Witches - Kano
Happy Station - Fun Fun (especially the Scratch Mix)
Happy Children - P.Lion
I Want You - Gary Low
Lunatic - Gazebo
Masterpiece - Gazebo
Extremix - Novo

Hypnosis - Pulstar was also huge, but I never took to it.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

there should be at least one tapps song here, but i dunno which one i like best: "don't pretend to know" or "my forbidden lover."

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

and how 'bout a little alphaville "big in japan" action?

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that Black Devil thing geniune or is it a fake?

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Devil were French, though, right? I only know from the reissued thing - I don't know if it was recorded in 1978 (or whenever) or not.

Pangolino again, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't feel like "Big In Japan" was Italo Disco. It was more like synthpop. Fancy, who was also a German act, might count as Italo Disco though.

Btw. never been that keen on "Happy Station", even though the sample from Donna Summer's "Sunset People" is at least a sign that the Italo disco producers knew their roots.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Devil were French, though, right?

"The record is credited to Joachim Sherylee and Junior Claristidge, , pseudonyms of two library writers Bernard Fevre and Jackie Giordiano."

(sez the rephlex site)

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"big in japan" sounds pretty italo to me!

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

To me, "Big In Japan" has a lot in common with acts such as Howard Jones, Blancmange or Tears For Fears.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Black Devil might be a lost classic now, but was anyone really blasting that in 1979?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Btw, if you discount Giorgio Moroder, what would be the first Italo Disco song ever? Anything older than Isadora Juice's "Musica Magica" from 1981?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Som interesting stuff on the Global Darkness website: These guys (italo/electro website from The Hague) quote La Bionda's 'One For Me' from '78 as early italo influenced song.

"Let’s start with the prehistory of Italo Disco: In the summer of 1978 LA BIONDA had a smash hit all over the world; "One For You, One For Me". LA BIONDA produced several Italo Disco songs in the eighties. RIGHEIRA is the most successful example. But also AIDA COOPER (‘Stand Back’) and ROBERT BRAVO (‘Love Me Like I Do’) were produced by LA BIONDA. Even in a song like ‘One For You, One For Me’ you can already hear the Italian melodies. 1979 One year later JACQUES FRED PETRUS recorded his first disco hits; ‘Walking On Music’, ‘Fire Night Dance’ by the PETER JACQUES BAND, ‘I’m A Man’ by MACHO and ‘Music Man’ by REVANCHE. MAURO MALAVASI was always involved.

http://www.globaldarkness.com/articles/history_of_italo_disco.htm

Sandeman, Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

A bit weird that they are trying to write a prehistory about Italo Disco, and not even mentioning Giorgio Moroder. Sure, I am aware that they have an article on him elsewhere on the site, but still, Moroder certainly predated the Italo Disco sound with some of his stuff.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Check out 24/7 vintage Italo radio from the eighties online at

http://www.radiostaddenhaag.nl


Sandeman, Thursday, 10 March 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

1. BWH - Stop
2. Klapto - Mr. Game
3. Casco - Cybernetic Love
4. Alexander Robotnick - I Remember Kamchaka
5. Doctor's Cat - First track on their "Gee Whiz" album ("Genius Man"?)
6. Moses - We Just
7. ? - Anxiety Outro Dub
8. ? - Angel Eyes
9. ? - Music Colors
10. Sun La Shan - Catch (12"Dub Version)

Don't know who did 7-9 but they're faves at the moment.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 10 March 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"big in japan" sounds NOTHING like tears for fears!!

lychee mello (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 10 March 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Alexander Robotnick - "Problemes d'amour"
2. My Mine - "hypnotic tango"
3. Kano - "Another lover"
4. Ken Laszlo - "Hey hey guy"
5. Koto - "Visitors" (remix)
6. Doctor's Cat - "Feel the drive"
7. Klein and MBO - "Dirty talk"
8. Cyber People - "Void vision"
9. Radiorama - "Desire"
10. Scotch - "Delirio mind"

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 10 March 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlie - "Spacer Woman"
Mr. Flagio - "Take a Chance"
Doctor's Cat - "Feel the Drive"
La Bionda - "I Wanna Be Your Lover"
Sun La Shan - "Catch"
Kano - "I'm Ready"
Easy Going - "Fear"
Fun Fun - "Happy Station"
Klein & MBO - "Dirty Talk"
Alexander Robotnick - "Problemes D'Amour"

kinda basic, but I haven't really gotten into the post-'83 pop stuff too much

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 10 March 2005 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Do Change count?

chuck, Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Jam/Lewis produced act? I would say not.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 10 March 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Nobody has any clue about my what my little demo is? :(

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

What Change stuff was produced by Jam/Lewis?? Their two great albums were their first two, both of which I believe were produced by Jacques Petrus and arranged by David Romani and Paolo Gionolio, with plenty of Gianolio/Malavasi/Romani song credits. Seems pretty durn eye-talian to me. (Their later stuff, inasmuch as I've heard it, greatly downplayed Eurodisco elements and upblayed r&b elements, to nobody's benefit.)

chuck, Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

a current fave pox pix, no order

amin peck-anxiety
bb and band-all night long
brand image-all your loving
naif orchestra-check out five
charlie-spacer woman
mr flagio-take a chance
pineapples-come on closer
giorgio farina-disco cross
lama-love is on the rock
x-ray connection-get ready (special freak mix)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 March 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

charlie-spacer woman is incredible.

Vitalic is really really heavily influenced by it, I feel, and the better for this.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

does "You Prefer Cocaine" even sample it?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

MANDY have sampled the Fuzzdance ep!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Chuck - Here ya go. I worked for the engineer on this record, who had some great stories about the making of. Malavasi was also supposedly a major major cr**k.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 10 March 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"The End," an instrumental tucked near the end of the first Change LP, is as Italo disco as Italo disco gets. If I ever make a POX it'll be in there.

Jam and Lewis were all over the Change of Heart album.

Andy K. (ADK), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

...which, as Chuck alluded to, isn't so hot. (I say this as a massive fan of both Jam and Lewis and Change. "Change of Heart," one of the best songs on there, is a poor re-write of "Paradise," one of the best songs ever made.)

Andy K. (ADK), Thursday, 10 March 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
does anyone have the I-F CBS top 100 underground dance classics mix?

peter smith (plsmith), Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I downloaded the whole thing from somewhere, it was a site where you could download the zip with the entire thing as one mp3, or broken down into individual songs. I was happy because I never knew the song or artist of Disco Cross, which I only knew from some megamix.

Since this wasn't mentioned upthread I don't think, it's generally considered the italo starts here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~halco1/mur/090800/goodycat.html

with the influence of Moroder/Summer something of a given.

The Malavasi/Petrus stuff, as well as the Claudio Simonetti/Giancarlo Meo records are all certified italo-disco in my book, and many predate the 80s.

Having a long and silly debate with a man from eastern europe on another list recently, it's apparent that while there's certainly crossover, most current italo-disco fans from europe consider Italo disco's beginning in 82 or so, and everything from Macho and Easy Going to Black Devil and Vivian Vee, is "pre-italo". Likewise, all the electro/vocoder italo that's so popular in america is "space italo" or "electro-italo". Perhaps all that Simonetti and Malavasi stuff is just space-disco to them?

Regardless, it's like pornography...you know it when you hear it.

oh yeah,


7. ? - Anxiety Outro Dub
8. ? - Angel Eyes
9. ? - Music Colors

7 is an edit of Amin Peck, I think by John Selway! That Amin Peck single is one of my favorite 12"s of all time. Girls On Me, Anxiety(which has vocals) and Coda, which Alec ended his Italo DeRuggierio mix with. I think Selway edited Anxiety, there is no instrumental/dub version far as I know. They have 3 other singles, Suicidal, which is wonderful, Running Straight/My Frames which is ok and I kept getting beat on ebay for it, and apparently a self-released 7" that went for like 200 bucks a few months ago.

and is 8 Angel Eyes by Lime? I played that at Lit tonight!

Look out for the Crazy Rhythms mix cd, it's got a bunch of italo-disco on it.

http://www.igetrvng.com/

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 30 April 2005 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I love "hey hey guy", what a song & god bless gabba/pod.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 30 April 2005 09:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir's #8 at the top of the thread (Don't Cry Tonight - Savage) is also track #1 on Chris Lowe's half of the Pet Shop Boys' Back To Mine. Track #2 on the same CD (Take A Chance - Mr Flagio) is also mentioned a couple of times upthread.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Saturday, 30 April 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

that's AMAZING. Take a Chance is the ultimate vocoder song, so wonderful. For those not familiar, it's a cover an almost as good Material w/ Nona Hendryx song.

funny they'd include Passion by the Flirts considering their historical problems with Bobby O.

But also Celestial Choir, Carl Bean, Roedelius?!?! That's pretty hip.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

watch me download every song on this thread

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link

dear riaa,

jk bros. Also my name is actually Tuomas.

love,
Tuomas

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

hey curt1s i have an idea

max, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

when u graduate lets start a neo-italo duo

max, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

it's a deal.

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:07 (sixteen years ago) link

ok i think i might drop out since this will so clearly work out

max, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

btw i dont play any instruments

max, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:09 (sixteen years ago) link

http://myspace.com/thegiorgiomarauders

dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

my mine - can delight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2wAxm6M3d0

ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

crutis i will handle costume design + hair stylin if you write all the songs

max, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

5. Rockets - "On the Road Again"

this is so hilariously good!

haitch, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 02:44 (sixteen years ago) link

still waiting for output from the crutis/max neo-italo duo

1986 Olive Garden (Z S), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

five years pass...

this monster jam is so perfect for a saturday night... (nemesy - 24 hours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KvaRnX5tg0

brimstead, Sunday, 5 November 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link

is Italo one of those things that just didn't happen in the U.S.? Or did it happen and I just missed it?

I've never heard any of these songs. I've never even heard of any of the performers (except Moroder)

Lee626, Sunday, 5 November 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link

exactly one italo song happened in the us - "tarzan boy". (and italo wasn't really ever about the performers, so it's not terribly meaningful that you wouldn't have heard of them - i think it was mr. master where the producer just found some random guy on a beach and got him to sing the song.)

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link

Den Harrow's "Broken Radio" has amazing lyrics and incessant hooks throughout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqxXcWVnztA

Spencer Chow, Sunday, 5 November 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link

"self control" by laura branigan is an 'italo' cover:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3zP3ziq738

brimstead, Monday, 6 November 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link

xpost to lee

brimstead, Monday, 6 November 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link

The early Madonna singles like Holiday and Intro the Groove are essentially Italo too.

Italo artists were never really promoted abroad, the main driver for Italo success was through holidaymakers bringing the occasional Italian summer hit home, but the vast majority of ‘real’ Italo hits were a local thing only.

At the time, you mostly had local artists in each market emulating the style (Modern Talking in Germany, Pet Shop Boys in UK, the Sabadell Sound in Spain, Madonna in the US, etc) rather than the actual Italo artists being successful. The Italo rediscovery post-2000 did more for Italian artists than the original wave ever did, really.

Siegbran, Monday, 6 November 2017 09:22 (six years ago) link

Italo artists were never really promoted abroad, the main driver for Italo success was through holidaymakers bringing the occasional Italian summer hit home, but the vast majority of ‘real’ Italo hits were a local thing only.

Yeah this has been my understanding too. Along with 'Tarzan Boy' I think the only other one that made any impact on the UK charts was 'Dolce Vita' - I wonder why these crossed over and so many others didn't (I guess timing must be part of it).

I was thinking about this recently after watching some of those 'Top of the Pops 198x' programmes - on one episode Kid Jensen talked about how they'd occasionally make these half-hearted attempts at covering international charts which never really took off.

Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 6 November 2017 11:52 (six years ago) link

xp Funny how that worked out. I mean, it would be weird if there was suddenly a big global interest in French language 80s zouk music and er... whatever you call this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IScq44jts

Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2017 12:09 (six years ago) link

@siegbran - yes I was also thinking to my ears alot of this sounds like the first Madonna album, the Hi-NRG and other alt-dance music on the sidelines in early to mid-'80s America, though rarely on the pop charts. By 1981 the term "disco" had become poison in the US and was considered hopelessly passe, even though disco was all over the charts just two years earlier and elements of the music itself were occasionally still present in new releases. But there was still a market for danceable music, though it was around this time that mainstream pop hits and dance/club tracks seemed to completely diverge; before that the disco hits you heard on pop radio are what you heard at dances (and I don't mean exclusive, trendy big-city venues but rather the real clubs young suburbanites could go to). By the mid-'80s even low-rent college dorm dance parties were relying on 12" DJ mixes of club hits rather than dance-pop radio hits.

There was a big change in the overall sound too. Gone were the elaborate orchestral production from late-'70s disco, replaced with the new drum machines, synths, and sequencers. This further increased starting in 1983 when MIDI quickly became ubiquitous and enabled easy programming of sequenced, synchronized electronic sounds from an array of different sources. But also missing from most of the Italo tracks i've been listening to are the strong melodies (and sometimes lyrics) that typified '70s disco. What they really remind me of is going to music stores as a teen and playing with all the new Fairlights and DX7s and LinnDrums and the early digital synths and samplers i couldn't come close to affording. Many of them were pre-programmed with Italo-esque rhythm tracks that could be used as is or modified as desired.

Lee626, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link

Italo artists were never really promoted abroad, the main driver for Italo success was through holidaymakers bringing the occasional Italian summer hit home, but the vast majority of ‘real’ Italo hits were a local thing only.

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. While it's true that not many people cared about the artists themselves, italo records were definitely being played abroad. I remember this was at least true in Mexico (where I grew up) and some parts of South America. I also read somewhere that Italo records were big in some parts of Asia.

Honestly, I think it just skipped the US.

daavid, Monday, 6 November 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link

i mean, there was synthesized disco music in other european countries too, it all folds into EURODANCE or DISCOFOX

brimstead, Monday, 6 November 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

Hmm there are a lot of italo threads to choose from, idk if one is preferred. Since this one was mentioned recently…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZhOkYj_F0o

4 M International - Space Operator (Donato Dozzy Cadillac rhythms reshape)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 8 October 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link

My bad, it’s still Bandcamp Friday isn’t it.

https://goodymusicproduction.bandcamp.com/album/space-operator

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 8 October 2021 11:56 (two years ago) link

There's a ton of awesome retro/pastiche italo around, like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbw2JvvIWg

Siegbran, Friday, 8 October 2021 12:50 (two years ago) link

Sure I don’t doubt there are multiple threads dedicated solely to Italians Do It Better. Donato Dozzy tho, it’s like we’ve come full circle. I just noticed the YouTube link I posted is only a preview but the full track is in the Bandcamp link sorry.

Giulia Tess is an interesting Italian DJ who I’ve heard mix some italo with other styles. The most recent mix I heard from her was headed in a trancey breaks direction tho, hopefully that was just some exploration.

Sadly it does seem like the (‘nu’) disco edit movement is slowly merging with prog house.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 8 October 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link

Guess it’s like my OG DJ friend told me when I asked her about when trance started to infiltrate house music dance floors, how she could tell what was trance and she said she knew it was trance when she heard the whooshy sounds (they were pretty similar initially).

cosmic disco - whooshy sounds - trance - prog house

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 8 October 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link

a pure slice of disco faboulosity! Yes, I want to funk with you, Sylvester, thought you'd never ask!!

Sylvester - Do you want to funk with me (video mix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ9lXRy7ys0

Swanswans, Saturday, 9 October 2021 12:40 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

My friend played me the vinyl of this last night, a track I hadn't heard in years, and I've listened to it about 20 times today. It is perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXNe1vQNQ5k

I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:19 (two years ago) link

It’s a good one! Instrumental is nice too, it popped up on my playlist earlier this year. Synths remind me of early/Please-era Pet shop boys.

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:26 (two years ago) link

Just came across this nice slow track - Schiffer "Get It Right"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFYNESk9GKc

skip, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 05:24 (two years ago) link

Vocals (by Albert one?) are a bit too sleepy on that for me, so I prefer the other mix, but the production / synth melodies are classic!

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link

This thread is delivering! Just catching up and after hearing Dozzy remix italo I know want to see him DJing stuff like it for 5 hours. I started searching and noticed a year ago he put out a dreamy synth-pop too> https://raster-raster.bandcamp.com/album/il-quadro-di-troisi

Love the Lisa G and Schiffer tunes posted too.

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 4 December 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link

Anachronistic question: any recommendations for essential compilations in 2021? In one of the other threads here someone recommended the Italo Dance Classics series, and then ZYX has a zillion comps of what I imagine are varying quality. Wish there were a comp that had both sides of B.W.H.'s "Stop"/"Livin' Up" on it.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 4 December 2021 22:09 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

Hadn't heard this before. Instant classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJKvf5B772k
Agatha de Co - Avion de nuit (1988)

ArchCarrier, Saturday, 18 June 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link

xp there’s this comp of Casco’s productions that has both BWH tracks: https://www.discogs.com/master/881058-Casco-The-Cyber-Album

brimstead, Saturday, 18 June 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link

That's a great track

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 19 June 2022 14:24 (one year ago) link


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