how was vanilla ice portrayed by the media?

He didn't produce it, I can't remember what the name of the guy was who did it but he was someone who DJed where he used to breakdance i think.

I wonder how much the backlash against the pop success of breakdance heavy acts like Vannila Ice and MC Hammer had to do with the abandoning of the whole elements thing in mainstream Hip-Hop.

i.e. "he's not even hip-hop" = stay in your place.

I think this is otm.

I dunno though, the actual hiphop community seemed to be kind of free of the idea of 'sell out' in those days - if you made it, you made it.

I don't think this is true. The accusations were certainly made. Interestingly, it was Chuck D. (who I think would have been held up as a model of not selling out) who more than once defended artists accused of selling. I think I even saw him do this in person once (at a free panel discussion with Chuck D., Harry Allen, and I forget who else) in reference to that guy whose name escapes my memory right now, but you know who I mean. His not so clever (but realistic enough) line was: well, if you've got a bunch of CDs you made sitting on the shevles, you better sell them out.

Am I imagining it, or was Vanilla Ice actually listed in one of those long lists of big ups on the inner sleeve of 'Nation Of Millions' or 'Fear of a Black Planet?

It's not impossible. I remember Public Enemy's liner notes (at least by that point) going out of their way to argue for a very inclusive idea of hip-hop.

This is all the view of a middle class Englishman dabbling in hiphop, so may be totally off base.

This is all the view of a middle class white American, though I was following things semi-seriously at the time.

That's the guy whose name I couldn't remember.

am I mistaken or didn't he initially DENY that he had sampled Under Pressure?

yay! I get to share one of my favorite quotes for the 80th time on ILX.

"see their song goes dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee. Ours goes dee-dee-dee-diggy-diggy-dee-dee DEE-dee-dee-dee-diggy-dee-dee. It's totally different."

"yo, KAT! words o' wisdom...drop that zero and get with the HERO!"

what bside single did v blow up on?

impt question -- how much of the "he's not even hip-hop" thing came from people who *don't like hip-hop*? i've noted that the first to denounce "sellouts" are often the least familiar, and often the most concerned with hip-hop incursion onto their own territory -- in this case "white ppl. music". yeah

I wonder how much the backlash against the pop success of breakdance heavy acts like Vannila Ice and MC Hammer had to do with the abandoning of the whole elements thing in mainstream Hip-Hop.
the question is would you rather see breakdancers or women vibratin? in living color bridged the gap, but now we're almost there w/beyonce & video girls. lloyd banks is a bastard, and 50 manipulates his image and salability so well.

The kids on my bus knew every goddamn word immediately.

I see what yr getting at here but I'm fairly certain most hip-hop fans weren't feeling him. They may have liked the single, at least when it first came out, but there was probably some resentment at this wack, lying white boy coming out of nowhere and making more money than any black rapper up to this time, except for maybe hammer.

I think we all know who schooled him in that department:

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/oozepix/ooze26.jpg

-- s1ocki (slytus...), September 12th, 2004.
it was called "ice by ice".

Lyrics, fill in the gap -- Drop that bass and get the NINJA RAP
Feel it, if you know what I mean -- Give it up for those heroes in green
Just flowin, smooth with the power -- Kickin’ it up, hour after hour
Cause in this life there’s only one winner -- You better aim good so you can hit the center
In it to win it, with a team of four -- Ninja Turtles that you gotta adore it’s the:

Ninja, Ninja, RAP! Ninja, Ninja, RAP!
GO GO GO
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
Go Ninja, Go Ninja. GO; Go Ninja, Go ninja, GO!
GO GO GO GO

So you get the Gas Face.

did u go?

i tested my will on the vanilla ice luge

and lost :(

Arsenio Hall is the one who looks like an asshole in that interview. Vanilla Ice seems like a nice guy.

― Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Monday, 10 November 2008 19:39 (1 month ago)

a nice, stupid guy.

his autobiography (or memoirs) was called "to the extreme" right?
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:08 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Not "To The Extreme Right"?
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, September 12, 2004 1:10 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"Magnetized by the mic while I hit my juice" is a dope-ass line. But MAJOR PROPS to "Having a Roni". The pinnacle of his career!

I'm upset that Hammer gets lumped in with him where Hammer is actually far more awesome and talented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_-ilEO3g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuaWV4kWCVU&NR=1

the "Extremely Live" album is actually quite entertaining, if you can find it. in retrospect it's kind of funny how people who weren't even born by 1991 can recite Ice Ice Baby word-for-word, given all the flack it's gotten

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wtf pumpkin tattoo
--am0n

He was born oct 31 iirc

Not since Bryan Ferry was on that one plane that was hijacked.

So I just landed from Dubai and now there is like tons of ambulances and fire trucks and police all over the place pic.twitter.com/i9QLh6WyJW

— Vanilla Ice (@vanillaice) September 5, 2018

plane was SICK

police on the scene, u know wut I mean

Best response: "Stop. Contaminate and listen."

Second best: "Hope you were able to get word to your mother."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckNuJuO_N2w

Thought this was the hottest shit ever when I was too young to know better.

probably listened to that CD 100 times as a kid and had no idea who "Rob Van Winkle" was. I thought that was just some stupid name the Bloodhound Gang made up

Same. And I don't remember the back of the album crediting him at all, let alone as Vanilla Ice.

BLOODHOUND GANG AND ROB VAN WINKLE...TOGETHER ON THIS TRACK

oh boy, havent heard that in a v long time... they really tried to ride the beastie boys sabotage train w that one.

Good read!
https://www.theringer.com/music/2020/10/6/21494291/vanilla-ice-to-the-extreme-ice-ice-baby-history-30th-anniversary

I think that if the internet had been around to the extent it is today back in 1990, then Vanilla Ice might not have come off so badly. The entire media story, at lease in the UK, was that he was a fool, poser, etc.. But now there'd be Twitter stans (lol thanks Eminem), and he himself would be engaging much more directly with the public at large through social media. On the other hand, if Soundcloud and other music platforms been around back then, would he still have taken the compromised path to fame that he did.
He did pave the way for other white rappers in a sense, because he was so totally criticised that anyone following after him had a) a model of what not to do, and b) a very low bar to get over (don't be a complete fool like this Vanilla guy).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvp9ELDix5I

The Art Of 'Cool As Ice'

The Art Of 'Cool As Ice'🕸

W.T.F. (Wisdom, Tenacity and Focus), also known as W.T.F. or just WTF, is the sixth and, to date, most recent studio album by American rapper Robert Van Winkle, known as Vanilla Ice. Originally scheduled for a 2009 release, it was officially released as a digital download on August 30, 2011, through Radium Records, executive produced by Vanilla Ice, Nick DeTomaso and Mark Mehwald.

he could have been bob van winkle. but instead, he became vanilla ice

“yo, Bloodhound Gang and Rob Van Winkle, together on this track”

"Rob Van Winkle in the conference room!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuxNq_FIvgQ