― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
Have to disagree there. I don't think it was an attempt at respectability, I think it was an attempt to make a much more jazz-inflected record. He'd described himself in the past as more of a jazz musician than country, and I think he felt he was making music that was closer to the 'true' Charlie Rich than what he had been doing before.
Whether it was better is a moot point. I love the record, but if push comes to shove I'd take the Smash compilation first.
I heard the full gospel choir version of 'Feel like going home' before the demo and it sounds perfect to me. The failure is still there in his voice, but by the end, when the choir comes in, it's almost like he's being borne aloft. Like he's been forgiven for all the failure and he's on his way to the Lord despite it all. It's a song that never fails to move me, and it moves me all the more because it stirs contradictory emotions.
I agree with fact checking cuz's comments about Margaret Ann Rich. The fact that she wrote some great songs for him about their marriage makes them resonate all the more.
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link
A jazz record by Rich would've been a natural thing. He should've gotten some real producers instead of "sympathetic" scribes. It sounds like a Rounder Records effort to me, which to these ears is one step above CMC International. As in the boneyard.
And how about that 'Set Me Free'...
― rumple., Wednesday, 24 September 2003 20:19 (twenty years ago) link
'Set Me Free' is definitely one of his finest though.
― James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 25 September 2003 07:19 (twenty years ago) link
arrogance? on this list? be still my cold, cold heart. actually, I think it was arrogant for anybody to think they could top the two versions of 'Home' captured by Sherrill.
― rumple., Thursday, 25 September 2003 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 September 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose), Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link
everyone should read guralnick's profile of charlie.... actually there are two profiles. one is in the book "feel like going home" and the other is in...i forget. they are incredibly poignant.
under his high school yearbook photo it read "charlie 'stan kenton' rich"!
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 25 September 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 25 September 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 25 September 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
And sorry if 'arrogance' sounded a bit harsh. I didn't think it was arrogance that you didn't like it, more that you thought it wasn't even worthy of comment (good or bad). I still think it's a remarkable record.
Amateurist, the other profile is in Lost Highway.
This thread makes me want to play a lot of Charlie Rich this weekend.
― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 26 September 2003 12:34 (twenty years ago) link
(doomy piano note)(slight charlie growl)Lord I feel like goin' home(bee deedle deedle deedle dee piano begins)I tried and I failed(more)And I'm tired and wearyAn' everything I done was wrong(beedle deedle deedle dee, particularly sad)And I feel like goin' home(slightly bright beedle deedle)Lord I tried to see it through(darkness, hard beedle deedle)but it was too MUCH(again, slightly ironic, perhaps)for meAnd now I'm comin' home to you(sad sad beedle deedle)I feel like goin' home(88s restate the case)Cloudly skies are closin' in(beedle deedle)And not a friend aroundtohelp meFrom all the places I have been(beedle deedle)Now I feel like goin' home(heavenly-bound beedle deedle dee)Lord, I feel like goin' homeI tried and I failedAnd I'm tired and wearyEverything I done was wrong(regret beedle deedle)And I feel like goin' home(almost jaunty beedle deedle dee-dee)And that's it.
And that IS it.
― rumple., Friday, 26 September 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
apologies.
― rumple., Friday, 26 September 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 12 January 2006 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― reacher, Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― stew!, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Guralnick's chapter on him in Feel Like Going Home (for which, Charlie wrote the song) still amazes me every time I read it.
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=20WIJGMRBOG0R32FZQ8V5NW6JC
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002AB1/qid=1137093681/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-0227664-5327031?s=music&v=glance&n=5174
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link
The lyrics alone to that song are like, wow. Charlie Rich has pummeled me into even greater inarticulateness than usual.
― Dell (Dell), Thursday, 12 January 2006 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 13 January 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link
Whatever. sub-lime'ness, n. the state or quality of being sublime. -- Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Deluxe Second Edition. (My favorite.)
I have "Memphis & Arkansas Bridge" but on vinyl. Maybe I'll kill some more time and transfer.
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 13 January 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Beta (abeta), Friday, 13 January 2006 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Beta (abeta), Friday, 13 January 2006 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=08Z1HNPH5R8PL19ZNZYLGMGB6X
If you dig, it looks like both Boss Man and Very Special Love Songs are available as a twofer on Edsel (a reissue from '05 that should have been on my list):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/tracks/B0007MAQVY/103-0227664-5327031?%5Fencoding=UTF8#disc_1
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 13 January 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link
And if there's one demo of Rich and piano, there's got to be more--that shit needs to be released.
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link
And thanks to Edd for putting the bug in our ear.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link
anyway, went back and listened to those Sherrill/Rich records, and they're certainly a cut above the usual '70s Nashville gloppy shit. Rich's voice almost always makes it all really interesting. Just think what could have happened had Rich gotten on Blue Note or some jazz label; just think about him backed by Duke Ellington...he wouldn't have made as much money but I bet he would have been far less melancholy, and maybe still alive today...
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link
Not so sure Charlie would've benefited from straight jazz/Blue Note kinda treatment, he was a true fusion artist intuitively blending styles, his easy listening tendencies figure as imporantly as his jazz and blues leanings (along w/the realism/sentimentality schism in wife Margaret's lyrics). Though an album of Charlie Sings Standards w/a big band sounds enticing on paper in practice it could turn out like his "legendary" Stax sessions which left me kinda cold. Long story short, I think CR's Billy Sherrill period is better than credited, arguably his peak esp. those initial 3 albums: Big Boss Man, Set Me Free, The Fabulous Charlie Rich.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 14 January 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link
I've never heard SILVER LININGS (a post-'74 gospel album that Guralnick thinks is great), but in general anything Sherrill produced on him from that year onward - BEWARE, BROTHER, BEWARE!!!
― Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link
The Feel Like Going Home demo can be bought from iTunes or Amazon. It's on an out-of-print comp called FLGH, The Essential Charlie Rich. No better way to spend 99 cents.
― that's not my post, Friday, 8 May 2009 05:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Silver Linings is awesome.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 May 2009 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
There's also some great stuff on that older Bear Family comp of his Sun Records recordings. A lot of it is just plain nuts, especially stuff like "Popcorn Polly." It seems like whenever Rich tries to write a straight forward teen hit, he can't help but take it some oddball directions. One of those guys who sound nice and conventional on the surface, but when you peel it back is profoundly weird.
― leavethecapital, Saturday, 9 May 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link
at the end of the day, it's really all about that slow walkin', fast talkin', good lookin' Mohair Sam...
― henry s, Sunday, 10 May 2009 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Nice 'N' Easy, damn, that's a sexy tune.
― that's not my post, Monday, 6 July 2009 03:48 (fourteen years ago) link
That CMA clip is on youtube now...Charlie was Fuuuuuuuuuuuucccckkkked Up...the cut to Glen Campbell after it's over is priceless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krZmHCQ3l9o
The whole show is up as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDyPmBlon0Y
― Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
that clip is awesome. but poor dude who had to keep that timpani roll going for 25 seconds.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 19 June 2013 04:54 (ten years ago) link
thnaks for posting is all i can type thru tears of laughter
― screen scraper (m coleman), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 09:52 (ten years ago) link
kanye rich
― screen scraper (m coleman), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 11:16 (ten years ago) link
Charlie Rich, country & western singer ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xXFqEjcuXg
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 10:18 (five years ago) link
Is the RCA & Groove stuff as good as the Smash recordings? There was a 2cd put out by Ace at the start of the year which was called Too Many Teardrops: The Complete Groove & RCA Recordings. So I wonder if i need that as much as the Smash stuff.
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 December 2018 10:31 (five years ago) link
I don't see a big difference in terms of quality between the two; if you like the Smash stud even half as much as I do then I strongly recommend that new CD (apparently there are a few bits on the new edition that I haven't heard so there may be a few duffers on it but I know most of it and it's gold IMO.)
― Tim, Monday, 3 December 2018 11:25 (five years ago) link
Thanks for mentioning Too Many Teardrops! Hadn't heard of it. After a couple of listens, I've found it surprisingly easy to get used to the strings and choirs, although some Disc 2 incidents are still annoying, and maybe scale-tipping on the more dubious material---that's okay though; that's what he and/or the suits get for turdpolishing .like Elvis, Sinatra, Willie etc. he's found that he can effectively apply his signature sound to inferior imitations of his top-shelf line of goods, and so he does, and I admit there are at least partially redeeming moments in most(?) of the worse, though not worst, tracks. Not many of this last category though!A good number of the rolling piano jazz-blues-rock tracks I always favor, starting right off with "Big Boss Man," soon followed by "River Stay Away From My Door," later a very sassy "Ol' Man River," such as Jerry Lee might approve, then a more respectful vocal on "The Twelth of Never," though that beloved tearjerker now goes thunkin' along. Mercy!Also a couple of intriguing ballads written by Freddie Hart:"Too Many Teardrops" starts out feeling for a fella who lost his love to the narrator, yet"I did what any man would do"---emphasis on "man" because the cry guy wasn't "strong enough to play the losing hand"--crying and drinking yourself to death doesn't count as a well-played losing hand, so what does? Revenge, mebbe? Doesn't say.The other Hart-written track, "There Won't Be Any More, " has a terse lilt that somehow reminds me of some British Invasion tracks, like uhhh covers like "Don't Let the Sun Catch You Crying"? But with more attitude.The Riches-written (lots of originals here) "The Grass Is Always Greener" advises that, "You may think you're rollin' in clover/But you better think it over." Shaddup with that, I must not think bad thoughts! The Complete Smash Sessions is the one to start with, but this is def worth checking out.
― dow, Friday, 14 December 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
40 tracks, and I like at least---28? Love at least an LP's-worth.
― dow, Friday, 14 December 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link
Was just listening to "Behind Closed Doors" today, the first half of this album is glorious, tails off a bit though.
― It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Friday, 14 December 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Silver Linings is awesome.― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, May 8, 2009 3:22 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, May 8, 2009 3:22 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just got another vinyl of this, and 10 years ago me OTM.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 May 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ai9WUg6.jpg
― tandoor vittles (unregistered), Monday, 27 May 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
ILX shall now be split into three warring factions.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 May 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
Never forget that one time a decade or so ago when the only working thread was for a Canadian Zeppelin clone.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
I don't remember that
― tandoor vittles (unregistered), Monday, 27 May 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
but lol
Can't open it now but wonder if it will link? https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=20850
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
Nope.
― pomenitul, Monday, 27 May 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
In any case found cached version and no evidence therein. Believe we lost seventeen days of history at the time.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link
Well at least a few people might discover Charlie Rich, that's a plus.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Monday, 27 May 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
Well I make it alright.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
Who Will The Next Poxy Fule Be?
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 May 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
Behind Closed Threads
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Monday, 27 May 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
I'm listening to The Essential Charlie Rich as we speak :O
― Number None, Monday, 27 May 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
the titular song of this album was used in an advert by the scottish executive raising awareness regarding domestic abuse and has been forever ruined for me due to the association
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 May 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
Wait they used “behind closed doors” rather than “have a heart” for an abused dog campaign?
― Heez, Monday, 27 May 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
Ugh sorry not abused dog. I think I did I mistaken that for a US commercial
― Heez, Monday, 27 May 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
Ugh sorry not abused dog. I think I did I mistaken that for a US commercial.
avoid the final dud, "pictures and paintings," a horribly misguided attempt at respectability.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:38 PM (eighteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
holy shit was i wrong about this album 19 years ago. it's a stone cold masterpiece.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 31 March 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link
this on the p&p version of "feel like going home" is dead on:
The failure is still there in his voice, but by the end, when the choir comes in, it's almost like he's being borne aloft. Like he's been forgiven for all the failure and he's on his way to the Lord despite it all. It's a song that never fails to move me, and it moves me all the more because it stirs contradictory emotions.
his last song on his last album, damn.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 31 March 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link
"Life's Little Ups and Downs" is one of the best vocals ever.
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 31 March 2022 23:42 (two years ago) link
Just to say his piano playing on P&P is gorgeous. I'm still partial to his earlier material but happy to have a reason to pull out P&P for first time in years.
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 6 April 2022 04:53 (two years ago) link