The Breeders - Classic or Dud?

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I enjoyed Title TK a hell of a lot. And not simply because the opening track is called "Little Fury." ;) I think people were too damn eager to write it off. There are some great great songs on that album, "Huffer" in particular.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Sunday, 13 July 2003 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

I like the production/recording a lot, too, though it took a while to get into it.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 July 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, its all about Josephine wiggs.
Apropos of nothing really...but have you ever seen Josephine Wiggs and Robert Smith at the same place at the same time?
Neither Have I.
Look at the photos below. Make up your own mind if something suspicious is going on or not.
http://www.chaoscontrol.com/current/dustytrails/cover.jpg
http://www.abc.es/festivales/reportajes/FIB2002/images/Cure.jpg
or this pair...
http://www.noaloha.com/breeders/pictures/press/tn/volume_05.jpg
http://www.laganzua.net/discos/discos4/imagenes/thecure.jpg
are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 13 July 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

Yes: Robert Smith is really Josephine Wiggs with her hair messed up.
< /THREAD HIJACK >

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 13 July 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

classic. Title TK is nowhere as good on a pop level, but Steve Albini's work makes Deal's voice truly astonishing. It's like a documentary that's so fascinating you're indifferent to its value as a work of art. I think there's filler on everything she's done, but they're all rewarding albums. Kelley Deal's solo stuff has some similar appeal.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 13 July 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

i think title tk was overlooked by most. it's not a classic as pod, but it stands out as a great rock album.

lord custos, are you on crack?

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 14 July 2003 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

am I the only one who likes them more than the Pixies?

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 14 July 2003 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

Is it because you like girls more than boys?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 July 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

I mean I can't really seperate them, even after 15 or however many years it is. It's probably a great pity Kim's role in the Pixies was limited to bass/very occasional writing/fantastic (never sucky) backup singing.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 14 July 2003 10:32 (twenty years ago) link

CLASSIC.
title tk was a bit eh.
POD is so classic, i want cut off my arms and waive them around until the windows are pink.
kelly is uber sweet- buy her a beer & get her talking about efx/pedals/guitars.

kephm, Monday, 14 July 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

Based on the show Chris Barrus and I caught a couple of months back, they very much still have it, so long may they rock, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

Pod - brilliance.

Last Splash - my CD's been played so much it's gone all quiet and muffled and basically fucked (I didn't even know this was possible but...there you go), loveit loveit loveit even though "Cannonball" was for years the most overplayed indie club tune EVAH and - for shame - ended up immediately preceding my departure from whichever club on the grounds that "if the DJ's still playing that...sheesh" etc.

Title TK stands up well with the above, agreed, but I've perhaps not given it the exhaustive attention it deserves. Hmmm.

Anyway. Breeders=brilliant, Jo Wiggs was always my favourite but now she's disappeared (anyone remember Honey Tongue? Aces). Is she related to Pete?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

What exactly is classic about Pod? It's a decent album and all, but it sounds really quite slight to me. I just can't imagine loving it.

Title TK is pretty good as well. But Last Splash fucking rocked like a monster when I was in middle school and still does so when I listen to it now. I listen to it a lot now.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

But Last Splash fucking rocked like a monster when I was in middle school

Good God I am old.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'll get yer Metamucil. We can be like those two old guys in I'm Not Rappaport.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

Pod was better.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

POD is so classic, i want cut off my arms and waive them around until the windows are pink.

How exactly are you going to wave them if they're already cut off?

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

Based on the show Chris Barrus and I caught a couple of months back, they very much still have it, so long may they rock, etc.

I'll bet Ned started crying and gnashing his teeth when they played the theme to Buffy though!

Lars (Nicole), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

The hell?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

What exactly is classic about Pod? It's a decent album and all, but it sounds really quite slight to me. I just can't imagine loving it.
Title TK is pretty good as well. But Last Splash fucking rocked like a monster when I was in middle school and still does so when I listen to it now. I listen to it a lot now.

-- Tom Breihan (lazerbee...), July 14th, 2003

Well, I think I know what your problem might be. Them ol' pair of ears need some quick replacing, gramps! :)

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

++POD is so classic, i want cut off my arms and waive them around until the windows are pink.

"How exactly are you going to wave them if they're already cut off? "
--My name is Kenny


SH*t you're kidding right?

KING KONG, Monday, 14 July 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

what about the amps? everybody slogs the amps! pod is great.
last splash is a perfect summreday soundtrack. i went right out and bought title tk, some tree and a six pack on a hot summers afternoon in brooklyn and sweated thru the damn disk. geeze. what a fucking drag. it took ten years to sound like this? npr is more fun. the next day i went up to the little record shop in parkslope and traded it in for a used copy of last splash and three bucks- got a quart of beer and sat on the fire escape and relived the splendid sunshine of the summer that it came out.
ten damn years ago when i lived in the country and things were so much simpler....

kelly denison-cole (dustjacket), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:18 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I think I know what your problem might be. Them ol' pair of ears need some quick replacing, gramps! :)

-- Francis Watlington (peppermintsmok...), July 14th, 2003.

No! Dude! I get to make fun of you for being old! That's how it works! Nobody gets to make fun of me for being young! Don't make me fuck you up with my Nerf dart gun!

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

The hell?

They've been playing it at most of their recent live shows, I wasn't saying it for the sake of being random.

Lars (Nicole), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

pod- great
safari - great
last splash - great & personal-top-five-easy
amps - great
title tk - eh
breeders singles - great, esp josephine singing, like "lord of the thighs" & "900"
j wiggs experience - great and criminally overlooked
dusty trails - great except for emmylou harris song
kelley deal 6000 - need to reinvestigate, not positive memories

(and yes i like the breeders way more than the pixies)

(btw the amg is a little messed up for kelley deal. boom boom boom doesn't show up under 'kelley deal 6000' but does under 'kelley deal')

ron (ron), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

They've been playing it at most of their recent live shows, I wasn't saying it for the sake of being random.

I remember a cover of "The Angry Inch" from Hedwig, which is far cooler on several levels. Or so I deem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

They also made a cameo appearance on Buffy too. They played @ The Bronze in that episode about that kid w/the magic letterman jacket.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

The Amps album is funny in that I hardly remember too many tracks, but I'm more likely to listen to multiple times in a row than most albums I own.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 14 July 2003 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

I declare the Buffy theme far cooler! Buffy episodes have endings, I LOVE endings. And they played it down here, it was a great great moment

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 01:38 (twenty years ago) link

What's this about the Pixies reforming? Thought I saw something on Pitchfork ...

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 01:59 (twenty years ago) link

someone told me about it last weekend, yes.
i don't think it would be a good idea. keep the beautiful corpse intact etc.

joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 09:47 (twenty years ago) link

Classic

Fortunately Gone

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

Since I snarked on Kim in the Pixies reunion thread, I thought I'd pay penance here and say: small-c classic. I can't say they're one of the greats of rock 'n' roll, but every album Kim Deal has played on has had its share of ragged, quietly unassuming, but brilliant pop songs. Yes, that includes the Amps album (Those hoarse screams on "Tipp City"! Those not-quite-on-the-beat drums on "Hoverin"! "Dedicated", for crissake!!) and Title TK (ever listened to it back-to-back with Pod? No? I think you'd be pleasantly surprised if you did).

Not picking sides in the Breeders-Pixies fight— they're both solid bands.

Nick Mirov (nick), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 06:29 (twenty years ago) link

am I the only one who likes them more than the Pixies?

No you're not.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...
"When Iris sleeps over...

...what a book she'll WRIIIIIiiiIIIIIiiiiTTTTE!"

I'm on the verge of proclaiming the Black Sessions 1993 show they did one of the greatest live albums never released as such.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I usually think the Breeders are overrated. But if someone were to put on an album of them right now I think I'd probably smile and be pleased as punch.

I don't know of that live album at all.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i miss kim deal.

the orchid and the wasp (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah! WTF? She was the one who wrote that amazing song the Pixies came back with. What was it called? The really amazing one...won't come to me now. Keep thinking about spiders lately. It's very distracting.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw a movie called Spider Baby that had this girl in it acting like a spider and killing people with large scissors while pretending to be a spider. It was from the late 60's. Very cool. Also Robyn Hitchcock's album is called Ole Tarantula and the girl in the movie had about three pet tarantulas she kept hidden from people.

So anyway the Pixies song was called...fuck where is that CD? Give me a minute here.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:22 (seventeen years ago) link

BAM THWOK. That was the name of it.

Sorry, this is a Breeders thread. And I am drunk.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 28 October 2006 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

for me:

Breeders > Pixies

not that I don't like the latter, but songs like "Do You Love Me Now?" and "DOE" kind of, well, SHALL WE SAY, TROMP LE MONDE?? harhahr

poortheatre (poortheatre), Saturday, 28 October 2006 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Throwing Muses > Pixies

for me (not that I... blah blah..)

What exactly is classic about Pod?

I'd like to know too! Seems pretty unanimously like a record I should get round to hearing one day.

ennui (fandango), Saturday, 28 October 2006 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

also Title TK one of Albini's shittiest sound jobs

Couldn't disagree more - the songs on Title TK are fairly uninspired but what saves it is the gloriously raw-but-rich sound (the non-Albini tracks are very flat by comparison).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 28 October 2006 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The Safari EP is one of my favorite EPs evah. Last Splash needs editing. Haven't heard the other two.

Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Saturday, 28 October 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Kim Deal's voice (and i guess Kelly's too) is grand.
i love her so much...and her gtr playing's alright, too!

COME BACK, KIM AND SING SOME MORE!!!

edde (edde), Sunday, 29 October 2006 02:01 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

last splash and pod are getting vinyl reissues and coming out on march 31

pro bowl was fun (omar little), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link

pod on vinyl is perfection

Surmounter, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Surmounter, that's awesome!

Dynamic Leia Dress (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 29 October 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

hey surm, air high five.

fyi vagina (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 29 October 2009 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

His brother, the ukelele player.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 19:59 (five months ago) link

Triple oof, I just misgendered her FFS.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:00 (five months ago) link

I didn't know "Drivin' On 9" was a cover until last week (after the show, my wife looked up & played the original).

Rhoda Morgenstern stan account (morrisp), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:30 (five months ago) link

this seems to come as a surprise to many people, sadly. The original is definitely superior, the Breeders version excises several key lines and verses, which undercuts and obscures the narrative that makes the song work imo.

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:33 (five months ago) link

also Cow Art just webmail me where to send the zine

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:42 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuR-wL5sh_M

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 20:55 (five months ago) link

Worth mentioning that violinist Carrie Bradley in above video of ERQ playing in Oakland was originally a member of (pre-Pod) The Breeders and then again sporadically throughout the 90s.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 21:00 (five months ago) link

Also when covering "Drivin' On 9" there was no shoutout to Dom Leone who wrote the song and lived in SF most of the 90s/00s.


Sorry wut? Is this widely known info? Is this the same person who used to post here?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 23:38 (five months ago) link

how does webmail work

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 00:11 (five months ago) link

LL, no:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed%27s_Redeeming_Qualities

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:13 (five months ago) link

figured it out!

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:13 (five months ago) link

Thank you SS

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:15 (five months ago) link

i tried looking for a thread, but Ed's Redeeming Qualities is great. Breeders could've made a new American songbook digging through their works.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 28 October 2023 05:47 (five months ago) link

Cow_Art check yr webmail, you should be receiving the zine soon if you haven't already

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 14:47 (five months ago) link

honestly we should change the name of this thread because "dud" is not an option.

alpine static, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:09 (five months ago) link

i have been on a Breeders kick because I never listened to any of the post Last-Splash albums. Enjoying it IMMENSELY.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:36 (five months ago) link

I still put on All Nerve a lot, it's a good morning album!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:48 (five months ago) link

All the post Last Splash catalog is great but I love love love Title TK

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 15:58 (five months ago) link

The only bummer about the classic lineup getting back together is that it makes Title TK and Mountain Battles seem lesser, which is not the case.

I got the zine!!! Thanks a million! How do I check my webmail?

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:05 (five months ago) link

Title TK was a revelation. Ive gone back to it several times. Love the nonsense lyrics and meaty sound. Listening to Mountain Battles after it made me realize that Kim Deal will make a cool sounding song out of basically anything.

Has anyone seen the iguana???

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:39 (five months ago) link

How do I check my webmail?

login to the email account that you use to login to your ILX profile

famous instagram dog (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:41 (five months ago) link

xpost Kim has a real knack for surreal turns of phrase. I think about the line "I need spit/to crush these beetles on my lips" from "Skinhead#2" on All Nerve all the time

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 16:52 (five months ago) link

Here's a challop: the only Breeders album I don't play often is Pod.

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 17:00 (five months ago) link

I’d love the zine, please

beamish13, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 19:05 (five months ago) link

Oh. So webmail means the email goes to my regular email account?

If that’s the case, I have no emails pertaining to the Breeders Digest.

But I have an address and I know how much it cost, so I think we’re good.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 19:32 (five months ago) link

Here's a challop: the only Breeders album I don't play often is Pod.

― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 17:00 (yesterday) link

It's funny that with the In Utero anniversary and the attendant discourse all the stuff about how them wanting to work with Albini becuz of Sufer Rosa, which I am not discounting, but I haven't seen any mention of Pod which at the time seemed, and listening to both records recently, to be a pretty obv sonic template, I mean "Happiness is a Warm Gun" sounds exactly like something on In Utero

Every time I listen to the Amps record I think "oh I don't really remember this record" and the second it starts I realize I have it memorized

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 2 November 2023 13:13 (five months ago) link

first song on the Amps record has been one of my go-to random out-of-nowhere just-start-singing-out-of-thin-air melodies for 30 years

"now i'd liiiike to get back..."

alpine static, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:13 (five months ago) link

In "Tipp City" I thought I was mishearing this but she really does sing "I have relations with anonymous internet nation", which feels both of the times and truly prophetic

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 2 November 2023 15:54 (five months ago) link


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