donald fagen, "the nightfly" -- c or d?

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amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

it's in New York along w/almost everything else I own, and I'm not = dilemma

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

nelly and kelly might be able to help you with this one.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yes Kenan, I see your point.

Years ago some firends of mine a/b'd this record with a Steely Dan record, Aja I think/. It seemed outrageously clean and smooth by comparison, like of the pair, Fagan was the real obsessive compulsive when it came to studio technique. I remember him saying once that he couldn't use keyboard strings, as their tuning characteristics made him tense.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 3 July 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

total classic. a wonderful, wonderful album. i hear IGY in public every once in a while, and it never fails to make me happy.

derrick (derrick), Friday, 4 July 2003 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

It's a dazzling album, and I wish I still had a copy. (I left mine in front of a window in the sun, and it melted.)

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 4 July 2003 04:25 (twenty years ago) link

It seemed outrageously clean and smooth by comparison, like of the pair, Fagan was the real obsessive compulsive when it came to studio technique.

I think they both were, really. And 1982 has a lot to do with that Spyro Gyra production, too.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 4 July 2003 04:49 (twenty years ago) link

Had a listen to this again last night - it really is a marvellous record. I like the liner notes:

"The songs on this album represent certain fantasies that might have been entertained by a young man growing up in the remote suburbs of a north-eastern city during the late fifties and early sixties, i.e. one of my general height, weight and build."

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 4 July 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

There is irony there, at least in an ambivalent attitude towards the benefits of hindsight. These days irony seems to be getting frequent kickings from writers wanting presumably to assert how real they're keeping "it", ignoring the possibility that irony can be more generous or imaginatively open-ended than any apparent alternatives. Of which generosity and imagination The Nightfly would be very good example.

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 4 July 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

"Maxine" is a classic car song (driving from New Haven to NYC a sunny afternoon). "Ruby Baby" is much better with Dion. The rest is great Dan-pop but it lacks the nerve of Beckers twisted inputs (Can´t Buy A Thrill, The Royal Scam). It´s better than Gaucho though.

Vincent Vern, Tuesday, 15 July 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Whoa.

I've been a Steely Dan fan for quite a few years, but never thought to investigate the solo albums. Downloaded 'IGY' today and man, it kicked my ass. What a wonderful, heartbreaking song. Can the other songs on Nightfly possibly be anywhere near as good as this?

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 22 October 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd say that (at the least) "New Frontier" is as good. It really is a beautiful album.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 22 October 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Downloading it from the iTunes Music Store RIGHT NOW.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 22 October 2004 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

This is not an original observation at this point in the thread, but yes, it is a great album, download it with my blessing.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 22 October 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Listen to Kamakiriad, it's just as immaculate, if different in style and evocation. I can't remember how it sold; it's either out of print or massively discounted by now. Track down a copy.

derrick (derrick), Friday, 22 October 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my favorites are "I.G.Y.," "New Frontier," and "The Goodbye Look"

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 October 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I agree, with a nod to 'Maxine'.

derrick (derrick), Friday, 22 October 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

What of Becker's "11 Tracks of Whack"? Anyone heard that?

A Million Talking Hot Dogs (AaronHz), Friday, 22 October 2004 06:43 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah. it's kinda great, but it's kinda only great if you listen with the whole walter becker backstory in mind -- the aloof, sarcastic, richer-than-god muso freak studio hound who does too many drugs and fucks off to hawaii for detox/early retirement and spends the ensuing decade-and-change surfing and raising a kid and laughing his ass off at the absurdity of it all.

paranoia is the hipster's disease (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 October 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Special shout out to the title track and 'The Goodbye Look'. Great, great album...
Been meaning to pick up 'Kamakiriad' but it's indeed pretty hard find these days

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 October 2004 07:08 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah. it's kinda great, but it's kinda only great if you listen with the whole walter becker backstory in mind -- the aloof, sarcastic, richer-than-god muso freak studio hound who does too many drugs and fucks off to hawaii for detox/early retirement and spends the ensuing decade-and-change surfing and raising a kid and laughing his ass off at the absurdity of it all.

-- paranoia is the hipster's disease (theundergroundhom...), October 22nd, 2004.

And producing China Crisis.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 22 October 2004 07:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The first two tracks and the last one are pure gold...the rest is okay. I'm talking about Becker, of course -- The Nightfly is 24 carat.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It seemed outrageously clean and smooth by comparison, like of the pair, Fagan was the real obsessive compulsive when it came to studio technique.
I watched the documentary about the making of Aja last week
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6305772649/qid=1098456054/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl74/104-3659107-1279138?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

Really really interesting - just to hear all of the parts broken down...

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

MC FAGEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

There are some really great songs on Becker's album, but a lot of the production leaves me cold. Only three songs, I believe, used live drums, and the drum machine songs(esp. Girlfriend, Hard Up Case) suffer. His guitar sound is GREAT.

search 'Junkie Girl', 'Book of Liars', 'This Moody Bastard', 'Down In The Bottom', 'Lucky Henry'. Destroy 'Cringemaker', 'Girlfriend'.

If people seriously can't find Kamakiriad, i'll put it up on slsk myself; if you're serious about the Dan, you should hear it.

derrick (derrick), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

And producing China Crisis.

and the rosie vela album!

paranoia is the hipster's disease (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and rickie lee jones!

derrick (derrick), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
"I.G.Y."

Best song ever? I rather think it might be.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

love it

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't stop listening to it. HELP ME

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link

who says you have to stop?

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:57 (nineteen years ago) link

retort pouch,

If you get really desparate, you could listen to Howard Jones' cover of IGY, that would probably put you off it for a while.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Good point, well made.

Actually I did stop listening to it, now I'm onto "Snowbound" and "Pixeleen"

Becker & Fagen should be given the Keys to the fucking City. They have improved my life beyond measure. God DAMN this is a wonderful world. [falls face down onto keyboard]

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

If you get really desparate, you could listen to Howard Jones' cover of IGY, that would probably put you off it for a while.
Oh my god.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

boy, this is fucked up. i was just thinking about this record today, on the train.

i saw an ad for two morning-show DJs who were conspicuously ugly. so i thought, "haha, 'a face made for radio.'" then i thought of the cover of this album.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

My copy was stolen years ago -- haven't re-bought it. Liked the record then, not so much the drum sound.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Best song ever? I rather think it might be.

i just listened to this on the way home from work! that tower records online sale had the nightfly for $7.99 so i picked it up, wanting to hear new frontier. walk between raindrops is pretty great too!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"I.G.Y."

Best song ever? I rather think it might be.

Wow.

Wow.

We are from such completely different worlds. "I.G.Y." is not only one of my least favorite songs ever, but hearing it actually makes me feel slightly ill. And, no, I'm seriously not being hyperbolic. It sounds utterly soulless to my ears.

But then I'm most assuredly not in any way a Steely Dan fan, which would appear to make my opinions very unpopular in this thread.

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 3 April 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I really don't understand how "IGY" could make anyone feel ill - unless it's an innate allergy to sequencers and the 80s drum sound. It's a perfect song on its own terms - I think I'll go listen to it now.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 April 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago) link

marcus miller on bass! YES PEOPLE! WHAT A BEAUTIFUL WORLD WE LIVE IN!

charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 4 April 2005 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I was actually specifically checking this thread to see if you were on it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 April 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

hey if jeff pocaro is on drums...im there

charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 4 April 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
who's got the dvd-audio verion of this?

what else is on it extras-wise, just the NEW FRONTIER video?

how soes it sound?

piscesboy, Monday, 13 March 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

The cover of "Ruby Baby" is wondrous.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Haven't heard this in years but see it all the time cheap on vinyl -- I should pick it up.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

engineering-wise it was(is?) supposedly as close to perfect as one could hope to get.

Will (will), Monday, 13 March 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

according to wikipedia:
The Nightfly is widely considered to be one of the best engineered albums ever made. Some audio engineers use it to evaluate the quality of playback equipment.

Will (will), Monday, 13 March 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

>Some audio engineers use it to evaluate the quality of playback equipment.

The guy I studied engineering under, for one.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 13 March 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Steely Dan released several great albums, but "The Nightfly" was better than any of them. Donald Fagen is one of those rare cases of major group leaders who break up the group and then go on to release an even better solo albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

God, there's nothing QUITE like "Ruby Baby" for getting ready to leave for a great dinner and the company of friends on a Saturday night.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Holy fsck! So good

calstars, Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:35 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

I don’t where to put this so I am putting it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8fU18_IEGY

Theory of Every Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 April 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link

took me a minute but good to see old D. What's that big black and white photograph on his keyboard? Also who's the guitar guy - could it be old Jeff Beck?

calstars, Sunday, 28 April 2019 01:17 (four years ago) link

Guitar guy is indeed Jeff Beck.

Theory of Every Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 April 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

Ah cool. He had one, maybe two inspired moments during his solo. Kind of a sleepy performance all around though. Probably the drummers fault.

calstars, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link

You mean that hack Bernard Purdie? ;)

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link

What? That was Purdie? No way

calstars, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

https://youtu.be/zx_4fwOfRXI
DOnald explains the world as he knows it in ‘93

calstars, Saturday, 13 July 2019 04:09 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

New live album is perhaps unnecessary, but I'm enjoying it!

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link

it is good! ditto the new steely dan live album — yeah, unnecessary, but it sounds damn good.

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link

ha, yeah the Dan one is up next after I finish this one.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Donald Fagen during James Hamilton's album cover photoshoot for his 1982 masterpiece, 'The Nightfly' pic.twitter.com/PLbuxfeUxI

— Barney Hurley (@barneyhurley1) October 14, 2021

calstars, Friday, 15 October 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link

Donald Fagen 'Yamaha KX88' keyboards store poster, 1983 pic.twitter.com/uZ5CluSyl8

— Barney Hurley (@barneyhurley1) October 15, 2021

calstars, Friday, 15 October 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link

lolz

tylerw, Friday, 15 October 2021 21:47 (two years ago) link

Trying to imagine how differently The Nightfly would have been received if that shot above had been the cover. People would have reviewed it like it was Fagen's version of The Idiot.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 15 October 2021 23:52 (two years ago) link

Straight to VHS slasher vibes

calstars, Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:15 (two years ago) link

Does Don ever smile?

calstars, Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

His lips sometimes curl up to show his teeth, does that count ?
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xytRyW-HpC4/TxDDY2DV2QI/AAAAAAAAHjI/yeQw3oeq5ns/s1600/donald.jpg

Nabozo, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 15:54 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

lou chang/her brother/he's burning with rage
louuu chaaang buuurns wiith rage

flopson, Friday, 29 July 2022 23:03 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

hey we saw you from across the bar and really dig your vibe. can we buy you a drink? pic.twitter.com/YAFRQ8FZwV

— boss (@bosscrood) September 6, 2022

creepy af

calstars, Saturday, 10 September 2022 00:17 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

With all due respect to Walter, some days this is my favorite Steely Dan album.

o. nate, Friday, 23 June 2023 20:39 (ten months ago) link

And tonight they're arranging
A small reception just for me

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 23 June 2023 20:42 (ten months ago) link

I like it a lot too. I like all of Steely Dan's albums, but I do favor their first four - The Nightfly is not far behind.

birdistheword, Friday, 23 June 2023 23:07 (ten months ago) link

I really really love “true companion” from the (year before’s) heavy metal soundtrack too. Gorgeous chord progression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9wbumIKJJ0

brimstead, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:06 (ten months ago) link

Steve khan going hard

brimstead, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:08 (ten months ago) link

Never heard this! Thank u brim

calstars, Saturday, 24 June 2023 00:44 (ten months ago) link


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