Soft Cell -- classic or dud?

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amateurist's interpretation of Say Hello... is fine indeed. I just listened to Non Stop Erotic Cabaret today for the first time in ages and similar thoughts were bouncing around my head re Frustration. How angry is that song?

I'd forgotten about the genius of Seedy Films. It's his Walk on the Wild Side, I guess. Whatever, it works so beautifully. Blimey, and to think I was 14 when I first heard it

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and let's not overlook Dave Ball's contribution to Say Hello Wave Goodbye. Those 'strings' in the chorus still make me all goosepimply.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Me too. I have a compilation called 'The Best of Soft Cell' or something like that - without Tainted Love! Can't say I miss that song at all.

moley, Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Tainted Love will be the soundtrack to the end of the world.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
For the fanatics -- Marc Almond's site is now selling The Bedsit Tapes, which collects all/most of the original demos Marc and Dave did while still at school in Leeds. I have a hunch you might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere if you look around, but ya never know. Dave does liner notes; tracklisting:

1 .. Potential
2 L.O.V.E. Feeling
3 Metro Mr X
4 Bleak Is My Favourite Cliche
5 Occupational Hazard
6 Mix
7 Factory Fun
8 Science Fiction Stories
9 Purely Functional
10 A Cut Above The Rest
11 Paranoid
12 Excretory Eat Anorexia Nervosa
13 Cleansing Fanatic
14 Walking Make Up Counter
15 Pyrex My Cuisine
16 Tupperware Counter

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Those titles are so great! "Walking Make Up Counter"!!! "Excretory Eat Anorexia Nervosa"!!!

I Should Coco Schwab (Arthur), Saturday, 6 August 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheheh. I should have guessed you would approve. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

bravo! i'd imagine it sounds pretty, umm, rudimentary, but hey, that never stopped The Normal or Cabaret Voltaire or Fad Gadget or DAF...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 August 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i bought that 12"/80s/2 compilation the other week (i'd link to the thread, but i can't be arsed finding it) and it's got the extended version of bedsitter on it. i've never heard it before, and it is absolutely spellbinding: their finest moment after the 12" of "say hello" (which might, on the day of reckoning, just end up being my favourite song in the world).

it has a little skeletal rap in the middle eight, addressed to a girl. the way the bassline comes back in during this final couplet:


make your single bed
and push the tea leaves down the drain
take a long deep breath
and start the nightlife over again

brings tears to my eyes; just the sheer perfection of it.

there's also a heartbreaking additional refrain towards the end: "i'm waiting for something/i'm only passing time". this wasn't in the original, was it?

is everyone familiar with this version or not - ie is it just me that's managed to miss its existence for all these years?

grimly fiendish, watching the mirror and counting the lines (grimlord), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

shit.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

normal service now resumed.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 6 August 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Rah.

it has a little skeletal rap in the middle eight

Yeah, I love that -- first time I heard that I was all 'amazing! and so good! how to improve on something theoretically unimprovable.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 August 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I'm hearing something now and I'm not believing my ears. It's Soft Cell doing a Hendrix Medley. Purple Haze et al. I am truly amazed.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I'd really like to have the Bedsit Tapes.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

My friend's a big fan, I think he has their whole discography. I like them too, I'd say their cover of Tainted Love assures they are closer to classic status than to dud..

Harrison Barr (Petar), Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

anyone else have that rare 12" mixes boot that's knocking around?

lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Sunday, 7 May 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

this one

lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Sunday, 7 May 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

that Hendrix medley is on Art of Falling Apart, isn't it? I am pretty sure my copy has it..

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Tainted Love will be the soundtrack to the end of the world.

-- Onimo (gerry.wat...), April 3rd, 2005 10:57 PM. (GerryNemo)

WTF was I on about?

Curse you drunken internets!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahahahaha it's all our faults.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Monday, 8 May 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Tainted Love will be the soundtrack to the end of the world.

-- Onimo (gerry.wat...), April 3rd, 2005 10:57 PM. (GerryNemo)

WTF was I on about?

Curse you drunken internets!

-- Onimo

I just realised it's a Dr Who reference. Tainted Love is played by Cassandra on the "iPod" in The End Of The World

Curse you failing memory!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 8 May 2006 07:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I for one welcome our newly failing memory.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 May 2006 08:57 (seventeen years ago) link

A great song in "Bedsitter" and one of the best cover versions ever in "Tainted Love". Those two alone make them classic.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 8 May 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't even think "Tainted Love" is their best Northern Soul cover (which is "Down In The Subway").

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 May 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

What?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 8 May 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

You're right. My Written English Gland appears to have packed in while writing that.

What I meant to say, is I think "Down In The Subway" is Soft Cell's best cover. Feel free to disagree, as I'm sure you all do.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

You misread my post.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with Marcello.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"Oh BA-by!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

It's an exclamation mark though, not a question mark, isn't it?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 May 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

What?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Third base.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 May 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

the 12" of "say hello" (which might, on the day of reckoning, just end up being my favourite song in the world)

i've just finished copying a dusty HD's worth of old MP3s on to my new(ish) mac. out of several thousand, this is the one i went straight to and played.

i don't think i'd change a word of what i wrote there, either.

toast kid (grimly fiendish), Monday, 6 October 2008 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

I just rediscovered Non-stop Erotic Cabaret. God I love this album. Is it a bad thing that it kind-of speaks to me?

burt_stanton, Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link

What, do you identify with being a sex dwarf?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link

haha, no. Just the feeling and attitude of grubby urban vice and disappointment.

burt_stanton, Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost
Bored suburban housewife?

Creedence Clearwater Couto (Billy Dods), Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Nah. My friends were weirdo eccentrics and we'd go out and do the club thing, be weird, do drugs, etc. and my father was some button-down guy who secretly picked up trannies in 1980s Time Square ... and would disappear in prison for weeks (we were told he was working late). My highschool best friend (who's now dying of AIDS sadly) looks exactly like Marc Almond, so maybe that, too.

Anyway, this is a great album. Soft Cell A+

burt_stanton, Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link

my father was some button-down guy who secretly picked up trannies in 1980s Time Square ... and would disappear in prison for weeks (we were told he was working late)

Exactly what was the explanation for weekends, then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 February 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

No idea. We just thought he was working. What a weird upbringing. Anyway, Marc Almond really does irony well just using music ... I didn't appreciate it until now.

burt_stanton, Thursday, 26 February 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, anyone who can cameo as well as he did in the frickin' Coil "Tainted Love" video can operate on a level higher than an "is it irony or not?" type thing.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 26 February 2009 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I just learned what a "bedsit" is and boy did I have that song wrong. I thought a bedsit was like a babysitter for grown-ups? Which I knew made no sense because he was "all alone," but I thought maybe he felt alone spiritually next to the cold panoptic eye of this freaky adult babysitter. That and sometimes it's foolish to try & make sense of lyrics but maybe I should've tried harder with this one by employing a dictionary instead of totally making shit up.

the 'hip' thing nowadays — gay Mormon missionaries (Abbbottt), Sunday, 17 April 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Another hypothesis was a "bedsit" was a person who works at a spanking parlor? I feel kind of embarrassed by all this but you have to admit such a figure would fit in the general Soft Cell world.

the 'hip' thing nowadays — gay Mormon missionaries (Abbbottt), Sunday, 17 April 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I like all these alternate interpretations!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 April 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

i have recently found that i quite like soft cell. not always as music (they have only a small handful of songs i hold close), but as characters, as performance, as a wonderful thing that existed in the world. like suicide, they transmute rock & pop into this wholly other language, the rinky-dink chintz of the sounds a perfect foil for marc's arch sleaze and coy torment. also enjoying the way their music and attitude - perhaps in turn channeling throbbing gristle's? - leach out into their followers and contemporaries, usually in more "palatable" (less explicitly queer) guise. berlin's "sex (i'm a)", eurythmics' "love is a stranger", even ebn-ozn's "aeiou sometimes y"...

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 22 April 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

classic burt itt

buzza, Friday, 22 April 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

i guess everything i just said is a cliche, the received wisdom, soft cell 101, but i never really gave them a fair shake at the time and have been entertaining myself recently playing russian roulette with nostalgia. "talk talk" vs. "it's my life", that kind of thing.

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 22 April 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

I still can't believe a bedsit is just a place a person lives in.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

that it is literally his (only) home
I think about this every day.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 23 April 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link

what kind of question is this, who would ever say dud?

akm, Saturday, 23 April 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

Amazing setlist. Just would have liked “It’s a Mug’s Game” too!

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/soft-cell/2018/the-o2-arena-london-england-33e914c5.html

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 September 2018 23:18 (five years ago) link

nine months pass...

anyone have it yet? https://www.lexermusic.com/soft-cell-live

StanM, Monday, 29 July 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link

Ordered and en route...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 July 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Back back back again!

https://softcell.tmstor.es/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link

Also a new set of shows, performing _Non Stop Erotic Cabaret_ in full:

https://myticket.co.uk/artists/soft-cell

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link

Misread the thread title as Soft Cell -- classic or duo? and thought, well gosh, really?! Can't they be both?

henry s, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Hey hey, we got one of the new songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnheY81x3dM

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 August 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link

three months pass...
one month passes...

Heads up...

https://liveherenow.co.uk/products/soft-cell-stream-ticket?_pos=2&_sid=a595cf9d2&_ss=r

Available for the next couple of days, but there will be a separate Blu-ray etc release later.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 00:54 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

video for “Purple Zone” (duet w/ PSBs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv4QNTg1Mps

donna rouge, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 14:04 (two years ago) link

Struggling to think of any collaboration in any medium that is quite so staggeringly less than the sum of its parts.

Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 14:59 (two years ago) link

I think it's a sweet little fillip

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 14:59 (two years ago) link

More info---Pets do some mixes---Happiness Not Included (thanks for warning) out May 6: https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Soft-Cell-Team-Up-With-Pet-Shop-Boys-For-The-New-Single--Purple-Zone-.html?aid=sqHHp24xO3Q&soid=1101984419757

dow, Thursday, 24 March 2022 04:18 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

North American dates! https://www.marcalmond.co.uk/live/index.html

--

23 AUGUST 2022
The Magnolia, El Cajon, CA, USA
(presale code TAINTED2022)

24 AUGUST 2022
YouTube Theater, Inglewood, CA, USA

26 AUGUST 2022
The Masonic, San Francisco, CA, USA
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28 AUGUST 2022
House Of Blues Chicago, Chicago, IL, USA
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30 AUGUST 2022
Beacon Theatre, New York, NY, USA
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31 AUGUST 2022
History, Toronto, Canada
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Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

listening to this last night in sodom for the first time…. ahahahaha omg

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 August 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link

Can't wait for your review Brad

Bee OK, Thursday, 18 August 2022 03:19 (one year ago) link

Here doggy doggy

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/soft_cells_infamous_sex_dwarf_video_nsfw

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:28 PM (ten years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Link is still good but video is gone:
https://vimeo.com/429915379

Bee OK, Thursday, 18 August 2022 03:46 (one year ago) link

Still can’t believe I get to see them again next week

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 August 2022 04:27 (one year ago) link

Little Rough Rhinestone <33

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 18 August 2022 05:09 (one year ago) link

Ah man, this sucks, but at least there'll be something:

Sadly we learned today that Dave Ball will not be able to do the Soft Cell USA tour. The shows are still happening, for full details please see the statement on the website:https://t.co/MSWd25GFnf pic.twitter.com/YLnxzVAkwW

— Marc Almond (@MarcAlmond) August 22, 2022

From the FB announcement:

Sadly we learned today that Dave Ball will not be able to do the Soft Cell tour in the USA. We hoped until the last minute that his recovery would make it possible and all was looking good but unfortunately he has had a set back and is unable to make it.
Philip has been on standby, as our contingency being the producer of the album, and having stepped up in the past.
I will miss Dave on stage as his presence is hard to replace but musically and visually the show will run the same and Phil always does a great job on synths.
I know you will still enjoy the show. The show will be in two halves: The first half a mixed selection, songs from The Art Of Falling Apart and our other albums plus a selection of new songs from Happiness Not Included. The second half the whole of Non Stop Erotic Cabaret in order.
I know Dave wants everyone to see what a brilliant show it is and he thanks everyone for their messages in recent weeks.
The team being already in the USA for this, let’s just do it.
It is stressful enough as it is on the occasions that Dave is not with me, so hopefully the love and support will be there for us.
Marc Almond

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 August 2022 16:59 (one year ago) link

damn so its just a marc almond show i guess.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 22 August 2022 19:24 (one year ago) link

Sad news. Wishing Dave Ball the best.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 22 August 2022 20:49 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Well...if you're made of money:

https://thesoundofvinyl.com/collections/soft-cell/products/non-stop-erotic-cabaret-6cd-box-set

CD1 - NSEC REMASTERED ALBUM & ORIGINAL 7" VERSIONS & NON-ALBUM SINGLES
Frustration
Tainted Love
Seedy Films
Youth
Sex Dwarf
Entertain Me
Chips On My Shoulder
Bedsitter
Secret Life
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye
Memorabilia (NSED Version)
Where Did Our Love Go? (NSED Version)
What? (NSED Version)
A Man Could Get Lost (NSED Version)
Chips On My Shoulder (NSED Version)
Sex Dwarf (NSED Version)
A Man Could Get Lost (Single Version)
Torch (Single Version)
What? (Single Version)
CD2 - NON-STOP EXTENDED CABARET & NEW REMIXES
Frustration (Extended Version)
Tainted Love (2021 10" Extended Version)
Seedy Films (2023 Extended Version)
Youth (2018 Extended Version)
Sex Dwarf (2023 Extended Version)
Entertain Me (2023 Extended Version)
Chips On My Shoulder (2018 Extended Version)
Bedsitter (1981 Extended Version)
Secret Life (2018 Extended Version)
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye (2018 Extended Version)
Memorabilia (Daniel Miller 2023 Remix)
Memorabilia (The Hacker 2023 Remix)
A Man Could Get Lost (2023 Extended Version)
CD3 - CURIOS, RARITIES, SESSIONS & ALTERNATIVE MIXES
Frustration (Original Mutant Moments Version)
Tainted Love (2022 Version)
Seedy Films (Richard X Remix)
Youth (Dave Ball Warhol Funeral Mix)
Sex Dwarf (BBC Whistle Test)
Entertain Me (BBC Live Session)
Chips On My Shoulder (BBC Live Session)
Bedsitter (Flexipop Version)
Secret Life (George Demure Remix)
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye (ORS Live)
A Man Could Get Lost (Live at Leeds Warehouse 2018)
Facility Girls (2018 Extended Mix)
Torch (Live) (TOTP2, 2002)
Tainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go (US Radio Edit)
Seedy Films (BBC Live Session)
Youth (BBC Whistle Test)
Chips On My Shoulder (ORS Live)
Bedsitter (BBC Live Session)
A Man Could Get Lost (Original Demo)
Tainted Love (Aborted Studio Take)
CD4 - NON-STOP INSTRUMENTAL CABARET & DEMOS
Frustration
Tainted Love
Seedy Films
Youth
Sex Dwarf
Entertain Me
Chips On My Shoulder
Bedsitter
Secret Life
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye
Frustration (Original Demo)
Tainted Love (Original Daniel Miller Demo)
Seedy Films (Original Demo)
Chips On My Shoulder (Original Demo)
Secret Life (Original Demo)
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye (Original Demo)
Facility Girl (Original Demo)
Memorabilia (Original Demo)
Persuasion (Original Demo)
Memorabilia (Instrumental)
A Man Could Get Lost (7" Instrumental)
CD5 - ORIGINAL 12" MIXES & B SIDES
Memorabilia (Original 12" Version)
Persuasion (Original 12" Version)
Tainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go? (Original 12" Version)
Tainted Dub (Original Version)
Facility Girls (Original 12" Version)
Fun City (Original Version)
Torch (Original 12" Version)
Insecure…Me (Original 12" Version)
What? (Original 12" Version)
So (Original 12" Version)
CD6 - NON-STOP EROTIC CABARET, LIVE IN LEEDS, NOVEMBER 2021 PLUS MORE
Frustration (Live)
Tainted Love (Live)
Seedy Films (Live)
Youth (Live)
Sex Dwarf (Live)
Entertain Me (Live)
Chips On My Shoulder (Live)
Bedsitter (Live)
Secret Life (Live)
Say Hello, Wave Goodbye (Live)
Torch (Live in Leeds, 2021)
Memorabilia (Live in Leeds, 2021)
Insecure Me (Live at 02, 2018)
What? (Live at O2, 2018)
Tainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go? (Live in Leeds, 2002)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 18:26 (seven months ago) link

Woah, sounds great.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 31 August 2023 08:09 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

"This Last Night In Sodom": a perfect album, I say. Consistent throughout. Buzzy, wild synths and boxy drum machines. Almond's nearly unhinged overdubbed harmonies and backing vox. Tons of reverb. MONO! Frayed and hungover sounding yet full of a weird, speedy energy. Needs more accolades!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 6 October 2023 01:04 (six months ago) link

Trudat!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2023 02:42 (six months ago) link

Thirded! (is it really mono though? I never noticed)

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 6 October 2023 14:06 (six months ago) link

Some of the tracks are, yes!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 6 October 2023 15:14 (six months ago) link


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