Nu-metal:Search and destroy

Any genre where 13-year olds worship a bald 30-something as the voice of their generation needs to be destroyed completely. Really, 13-year old Limp Bizkit fans are just male teenyboppers, aren't they? I bet they dream of sucking Fred off too.

If I may ... I think it's partly because both the Deftones and Sepultura have expanded their sound and are willing and able to use "non-nu-metal" elements therein to good effect. I remember when my younger sister bought the first(?) Deftones CD, Adrenaline, back in 1995, and not being all that impressed -- Korn soundalikes, I thought at the time. There's definitely been a progression in the Deftones between then and White Pony -- I never would have thought six years ago that the same band would produce songs like "Feiticeira" or "Digital Bath," where they use almost ambient textures. Sepultura has also progressed from basic late-eighties Slayeresque thrash metal (not that Slayeresque metal is a bad thing, but I digress) to more distinctly Brazilian elements (which makes sense since they are Brazilian).

Another is that the Deftones' and Sepultura's lyrics seem to be a tad bit more interesting and intelligent than other nu-metal outfits. Neither has separated themselves totally from that sort of lyrical approach completely, but IMHO the better Deftones lyrics are almost on a par with Tool's. (An aside: would people consider Tool to be nu-metal?) In fact, if White Pony is indicative it seems like the Deftones are becoming more and more influenced (musically and lyrically) by Tool (which is a good thing IMHO) and less and less by Korn-esque nu-metal. As for Sepultura, they've always been a little bit more intelligent, even political, lyrically than most metal bands (nu or old).

Hope that helps.

A lot of metalheads (which I kinda sorta am) don't particularly care for nu-metal (no matter how many times Korn or Limp Bizkit tour with Ozzy). The analogy between nu-metal and eighties hair-metal is apt, in that both genres are largely derivative -- every nu-metal band steals from Korn, every hair-metal band stole from Motley Crue's Shout at the Devil or Van Halen, adding nothing to the originals from which they nicked their sound and look. Additionally, both hair-metal and nu-metal essentially poured syrup on top of elements of "heavier" metal -- hair-metal making Judas Priest/Iron Maiden riffs and NY Dolls-type looks tame; nu-metallers stealing their vocal and lyrical chops not only from rap, but also death metal grunts while watering down the pilfered elements from both genres. In the eighties, thrash, grindcore and (ugh) even grunge arose in reaction to hair-metal; nowadays, while death and black metal largely preceded nu-metal, those genres still exist as well as other metal acts (that DJ Martian mentioned) that largely eschew nu-metal.

On a personal note, it's also hard for me to take Fred Durst all that seriously in part because pre-Limp Bizkit he was a fucking hairdresser. Which puts him in the same league as A Flock of Seagulls, I suppose, though not as entertaining and a helluva lot more ridiculous in his way.

Haven't given DJ Martian's post a chance yet (been distracted by "stuff"), but it looks nice & meaty. And it reminds me of some excellent writing about heavy metal that you can find here, if you look hard enough.

As far as Tarden, he might be going a bit off the cuff, but I see what he's getting at (though I don't necessarily agree). Orgy = The Smiths with balls. As the sad youth become angrier, the music they gravitate towards also gets pissy. But you really can't connect these two on any non-superficial ground. Here in the US, the past 25 years have been about catharsis regarding the disenfranchised youth culture - the world sucks, you stew in your juices, and then listen to some RAAAAWK that'll pop the cork. From early Led Zeppelin & Black Sabbath to Alice Cooper & Kiss to Metallica & Megadeth to Nirvana & Alice in Chains to Marilyn Manson & Korn to Linkin Park & Papa Roach. Abrasive, loud, pissed, scathing, with varying nutritional values. No room for angsty, fey ruminations on romance & sexual ambiguity.

(Can't believe no one's mentioned Rage Against the Machine yet, either. There's an obvious touchstone.)

But, of course, Deftones = Soundgarden (the critical fave, at once both part of the movement while maintaining an aloof distance & following a slightly tweaked muse).

Being that I was a robust & wordly *cough cough* 18 when I was bitten by the flannel bug, I can't say that I'd have bitten for the nu-metal swag bounding about nowadays. Of course, I loathed shit like Metallica back then - I was into grunge for the "meaning" behind the music. (I also read _X-Men_ for literary nourishment. And ate 2 Roy Rogers roast beef sandwiches a day.)

I have a brother? Yo, biznatch, you owe me 26 birthday presents - get on it!

Whatever happened to System of a Down? I remember Alternative Press (pardon me as I suppress laughter) ran down a list of nu-metal hopefuls back when nu-metal wasn't nu-metal. From the 2 songs I heard, SoaD seemed to be an inspired & idiosyncratic take on hard rock. I remember "Sugar" to be a particularly confounding little ditty. They must've been swallowed up & spit out by American Recording's consolidation (where they let the Gang of Four CDs go out of print, but keep Andrew Dice Clay around - yeah, Mr. Rubin, keep it up).

I used to like Disturbed's "Voices" because I thought they said these lines: "N'Sync, you gonna die - will you listen to me!? D-d-d-d-die! D-d-d-d-die!" Alas, they don't so I went off it.

1) the limp bizkit song with meth is actually hot if you just think of it as a meth song produced by primo with a shit guest rapper. all the durst in the world can't take away that's it has method man going over some dj premier, and that shit is hot.

2) nu-metal is so grunge. all you assholes who like grunge, nu-metal is exactly what were listening to. actualy, nu-metal is better than grunge because they actually like techno and hiphop. while grunge just liked shitty sludge-rock.

3) everything alex in nyc is wrong, but especially that it will all be gone in five months. i remember korn debuting at number one on trl in 1998. he's also wrong about rap, but i'm not about to go off on that.

4) nu-metal is sadly one of the last mainstream genres that it is for some reason okay to hate, and that's sad. i'll readily defend nu-metal, anytime. i mean, i like rage against the machine so much more than nirvana it's not even funny. fuck nirvana.

On what is this bold prediction based? Emperor have never been the most eclectic, progressive black metal band. Everything they do sounds pretty much exactly the same to me.

Wow Ethan, and you accuse the Pinefox of making snide ignorant comments... 90s alt-rock (at least the good stuff) had tunes . Nu-metal does use hip hop and techno sounds, but (with the big exception of Kid Rock) usually does so in an entirely fun-free way (at least in the stuff I've heard), which kinda defeats the purpose. Anyway, you clearly have this big beef against 90s guitar-rock, and I'd like you to just come out with it and say why, without resorting to dumb clichés.

Fred Durst can SUCK MY BALLS

PS: pick up SOAD - Toxicity and At The Drive In - Relationship of Command. Exactly what genres are we talking about? The lines are beginning to blur.

What happened to KoRn anyways ... Life Is Peachy was really good :(

Hipsters already did like Deftones. Because they were actually good.

Is it finally dead now?

-- Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, August 2, 2007 2:04 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Link

I think nu-metal and post-hardcore have bled into each other to a degree that we have bottom-heavy screamo now, but that's about it.

Search: Papa Roach's "Last resort"---Whiny angst rock with a great medieval sounding stop-start riff

Whcih was totally ripped off the intro of this.

deftones uber alles

I went to a Deftones show once. To see Will Haven.

This was a treat. Thanks.

-- Nate Carson, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:23 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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Search: the last 50 seconds or so of 'Chop Suey!'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nu_metal/Archive_1

Excuse me, but why this article's authors are absolutely convinced that Red Hot Chili Peppers have not to be considered nu metal inspirators? (unsigned)

last band stsnding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcveAwvgp5E&feature=fvwrel

and the only one i ever really liked too! shows what great taste me and the australians have. slipknot still a thing in the u.k. too, no?

this has better sound. SERIOUS slipknot fans at knebworth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzshp82CmnU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

I'm just glad I saw the Chaos AD tour.

Also saw Korn open for Ozzy in '95. Terrible!

Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. email me if u have a problem, and ill kick ur ass.
― MeTaL RuLeS, Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:31 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love how categorical this post is. i mean, i just wanna ask this guy, "so, Korn is REALLY better than Beethoven? Papa Roach is better than John Coltrane? do you even know who Beethoven or Coltrane WERE?!?"

email him if u have a problem!

it would be really funny if he's still so militant on this topic 9 years later ...

and so it begins ..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jun/07/download-festival-nu-metal

personally, as an old man, i cant wait to be able to play my linkin park collection (courtesy of playlouder !), and not worry re the sneering masses ...

i love how categorical this post is. i mean, i just wanna ask this guy, "so, Korn is REALLY better than Beethoven? Papa Roach is better than John Coltrane? do you even know who Beethoven or Coltrane WERE?!?"

― عليك ارتداء ماكياج من مهرج مثلي الجنس المتداول مائة عميق في سيارة مصغر (Eisbaer),

haha u r old

I was given DED's debut album to listen to.

This is the most horrible shit I've ever heard in my life.

Have you listened to korn unplugged?

roger adultery (roger adultery) at 4:43 9 Mar 03

i think the song you refer to is by Kid Rock, who, as a celebrity / personality, I like much much better than Coldplay.

Pvmic

lol otm

D: 2016 cover of Michael Jackson's 'They Don't Care About Us' by Saliva that seemingly retains the original 'Jew me' line while omitting the, uh, other one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxE9uE1lXo

*presses play*

syke