C/D Paul McCartney Solo

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My favourites from WINGSPAN: Bluebird, Junk, Waterfalls, Tug of War, Pipes of Peace, virtually everything that was on WINGS GREATEST back in the day.

Favourite videos: Goodnight Tonight, Pipes of Peace.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like that "simply having a wonderful Christmastime" song (ducks)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd forgotten that one. A classic of its genre, instantly recognisable despite using all the Christmas cliches.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Half a C: MCCARTNEY II. This is, by Macca's standards, a completely outre work. Recorded solo-style after breaking up Wings, it's full of strange experiments that occasionally work amazingly well. "Coming Up," "Summer's Day Song" and "One Of These Days" are all great songs, completely void of the usual antiseptic sheen of Paul's post-RAM work. "Frozen Jap" and "Front Parlour" are pleasantly out-of-character instrumentals. You'll want to skip the rest of the LP, though, especially "Waterfalls" and "Darkroom."

Also C: "Jet," "Too Many People," "Let Me Roll It," "Spin It On" (Wings go thrash!)

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh, yeah, I do love 'pipes of peace' and 'simply having...' too.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't forget C moon!

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or "Rock Show"!

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

WINGSPAN shall be my chosen listening today.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I recently rediscovered my 'all the best' cassette that my dad gave me one christmas when I'd asked for george michael's 'faith.'

good old dad.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

1987.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

RJG, your story moves me.

the pinefox, Friday, 14 February 2003 13:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bizarrely, I bought that for my dad. It's one of the few compilations to celebrate the Frog Chorus. Not even the three-dimensional slipcase makes up for that oversight on WINGSPAN.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

: )

I don't think I've even seen a copy of WINGSPAN in a record store.

I reminded my dad about the 'all the best'-for-christmas thing on friday night when we were in a car. he didn't really remember. he said "and why did she [my mum] buy you that instead?" and I told him again and he understood. then he asked "and why did you want 'faith'??" and the answer was...I was six...I had seen it advertised on television.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 February 2003 05:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

i second 1985; that song is really fun... when i was a kid, i used to really enjoy making up stupid lyrics to "let me roll it" like, um, "i can't tell you how i sneeze, my nose is like a breeze - let me blow it"... somehow that joke never got old for me!

dave k, Sunday, 16 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

WINGSPAN seems to be on special offer everywhere now. But tread carefully, some of them have boring two-dimensional sleeves. I see there is also a WINGSPAN book available, which must be a real treat. More alarmingly, I saw a bootleg of something called the ROCKESTRA in action. I thought ROCKESTRA was just a piece of music, but no. Fortunately, the bootleg was really expensive, so I didn't get it.

Yes, COMING UP is great.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's the book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316860328/qid=1045408789/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_3_1/026-5101041-0610836

It's an intimate scrapbook.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Miller, you're wrong. I've NEVER seen WINGSPAN on special offer ANYWHERE.

Capitals are the new italics.

the pinefox, Sunday, 16 February 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=4235268501&Code2=85&prodID=338673

If that's not a special offer I'll EAT MY HAT. Note controversial opinion expressed herein: the best solo Paul McCartney work did not appear until FLOWERS IN THE DIRT. Before anyone rushes to order it, please note that it appears to be two-dimensional.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Every Night" from the first solo album is an idyll of a song, very "Railways Conserve The Environment" 1970 (as opposed to, you know, RADICAL 1970) indeed. I'd have liked it if he'd written "Come And Get It" slightly later so it could be his first solo single, because it's better than "Another Day", or if he'd written it slightly earlier so it could be a Beatles single, because it's better than "Hello Goodbye". The promo film for "Helen Wheels" is fantastically evocative. "Hi Hi Hi" is better than "My Ding-A-Ling" precisely because it *isn't* "in the tradition of the music hall" (the hilarious reason given by the ultra-conservative Charles Curran-era BBC as to why it was still playing Chuck Berry's lowpoint when it had banned the Wings song in December 1972). It's also better than "C Moon", the glorified B-side which stole the airplay.

I used to listen to my mum's copy of "All The Best" all the time. On vinyl, too.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Spies Like Us.

amazing.

Love Coming Up and C Moon too.

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Every Night is wonderful. I have a fondness for the Pipes of Peace that might be spoiled by listening to it again. I wasn't the only 9 year old to have it in my class. I liked 'The Man' off that (w/Michael Jackson) a lot.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should give Pipes of Peace a listen and Report Back, N. The tablas make it curiously modern in the current climate. And the sentiments are obv. very much in vogue.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 09:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Following on from Robin's wishes for Macca to write songs a bit earlier... I've always had this strange dream that the four Fabs actually sat down at some point in early 70, said "Let's forget about 'let it be' and make one final fine EP, one song each..." and they end up doing "Instant Karma", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "Isn't it a pity?" and "It don't come easy". Now that would have been good.

And then I wake up.

I had "All the best" on CD for many years, never listened to it, but I'll agree that "Venus and Mars" is a neglected classic, as is the first McCartney LP, very primitive but rather homely.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 17 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

nick has heard PIPES OF PEACE again, recently--maybe he just didn't notice/doesn't remember.

I had dreams about WINGSPAN last night. or it featured in my last night's dreams. I think it was really big and cost one hundred and twenty-five pounds or twenty-five pounds and was sealed in plastic and didn't tell me the tracklisting.

record shopping w/ allyC, yesterday, we saw many mccartney/wings albums. WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND looked OK but was on cassette and three pounds fifty.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

SPEED OF SOUND is one of the weaker Wings efforts, I think. "Wino Junko," "Must Do Something About It," "Cook of The House"...no thanks. "Time To Hide" and "Beware My Love" are OK in a '70s AOR sort of way, though.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

'silly love songs' must redeem all.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't hate that much of his studio solo stuff (don't love it either, most of it) but that new live album...the man's lost his voice and won't quit trying. Please, please stop, Paul, for your own sake. You suck like Billy Joel.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I meant the Pipes of Peace album, RJG. I heard only two tracks off it in your car.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's a PIPES OF PEACE album?!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

It is not all remixes of the title track, sadly.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

It has 'Say Say Say'!

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are those the two tracks you heard in the car?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes. It was RJG's famous 'All the best'. But I think 'The Man' is also 'the best'. 'Average Person' is not so good, as I recall.

Does anyone else like 'Hope of Deliverance'? I think it has a haunting melody.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes. It's on heavy rotation in my head, helping me face up to the darkness that surrounds us.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

N, did you know that eric stewart of 10cc played on the Pipes of Peace album?

p.s. 'for your love'+'bus stop'=gouldman.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was thinking of Bobby Gould.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wasn't Pipes of Peace the one with Stanley Clarke?

dleone (dleone), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Weren't you actually thinking of Graham Gouldman, Nick?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, a mixed solo/Wings career, yet on the whole good I would say; the 1970-75 period produced generally excellent records, likewise 1978-83 (though not the poor 'Back to the Egg'...). 'McCartney II' (his best 'solo' album; most experimental and consistently engaging) & 'Pipes of Peace' (some lovely McCartney pop here) are very underrated albums. 'Tug of War''s best material is much as fine, yet it has some glaringly awful tracks which let it down. 'Red Rose Speedway', of the Wings era, is overlooked; probably the most Beatles-esque of all his post-Beatles albums, with a splendid 'Abbey Road'-like medley to close. Also 'Single Pigeon', 'When the Night' & 'One More Kiss' are deceptively slight, charming compositions. 'My Love' is a majestic McCartney ballad with wonderful guitar breaks... 'Little Lamb Dragonfly' ornate and richly produced melancholy.
'Venus and Mars' (increasingly getting some credit; good to see) and 'Band on the Run' are excellent as well. As is 'Ram' of course, a one-off record, pre-Wings, and yet with a superbly ramshackle focus to it; some very good material - a far better whole than 'McCartney'. 'London Town' - overlooked classic, with mostly fine material; 'I'm Carrying' is sublime... some good upbeat numbers here as well.
So, all of the above 'Classic' really... oh, plus 'We All Stand Together'; light-hearted whimsy given grandeur and grace... 'Once Upon a Long Ago'; amusing, quotable lyrics; a great production, sound and musical invention; fine single. 'Golden Earth Girl'; far and away ahead of most of 'Off the Ground', a majestic, atmospheric song. 'Wanderlust'; prime McCartney, would have graced a Beatles record... indeed George Martin's production and the arranging of the counter-melody harmonies bolster what is already a fine song into something special... 'Tug of War'; a song that gets in your head - brilliantly conceived melody and again production.

Dud: 'Wings at the Speed of Sound', 'Flaming Pie', 'Driving Rain' (a little better than 'FP'), 'Press to Play' (interesting yet not successful experimentation from Macca in 1986...) & 'Back to the Egg' (consistently average, only 'Old Siam Sir' makes any real impression).

Many albums of his i'm mixed about... yet, overall 'Classic', I maybe go towards this strongly as the general consensus is so unfairly a 'dud' opinion. You have to look deep into his work, and will find much that is good...

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Macca on tour alert! Let's all go! Hits BCN at the end of March, must be in a town near you around about the same time. Well, same year. Hopefully I will be in a different town by then, but I might come back specially.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

So who wants to start a McCartney II viral revisionist campaign? It's only a matter of time before MOJO picks up on it.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Only if people promise to biggie up 'Waterfalls'.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

why did ally cook lie and say he'd answered this thread?

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 22 February 2003 01:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK. Given All The Best by father also. Heard it again in Richard's car. Silly Love Songs perfect. I like other songs also.

Ally C (Ally C), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

So who wants to start a McCartney II viral revisionist campaign? It's only a matter of time before MOJO picks up on it

Too late, it was in the issue with Santana on the cover.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

No one mentioned 'Arrow Through Me' from Back to the Egg. Other than that, side one of 'Ram', 'Maybe I'm Amazed', bits of McCartney II... yikes, though. yikes.

If one's scratching one's head about how badly Paul's solo cheese wears on the nerves, try the following experiment: program disc one of the white album to only play Paul's tracks. Starts off okay but the unrelenting 'Ob-la-di' to 'Martha My Dear' to 'Blackbird', by the time it gets to 'Rocky Racoon' you'll be clawing your face off.

Jon Leidecker, Thursday, 27 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

'So who wants to start a McCartney II viral revisionist campaign? It's only a matter of time before MOJO picks up on it'

Search ILM for 'Coming Up' and see how many times I've mentioned it, and how far back these mentions go. Absolute classic

dave q, Friday, 28 February 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Search ILM for 'Coming Up' and see how many times I've mentioned it, and how far back these mentions go. Absolute classic."

It should be mentioned that it's the MCCARTNEY II version that should be considered "classic." The live version, which Columbia released as a single in the US, pales in comparison (though there's a very strange meteor-shower synth break toward the end).

Am I the only person who thinks BACK TO THE EGG is almost the equal of BAND ON THE RUN/VENUS & MARS? Probably.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 28 February 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

McArtney & Ram are classic. Everything up through Venus & Mars was great (but not classic), and everything since then has been a bit dodgy. Paul can definitely come on like a real lounge singer/Muzak tape most of the time.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Sunday, 9 March 2003 02:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's far too sweeping a statement; there is much good in his post-1975 work... 'London Town', 'McCartney II' at least are neglected triumphs for me; and 'Pipes of Peace' and 'Tug of War' are largely very good. Otherwise, certainly a bit patchy as regards consistency in his albums, but good material is there; if being more difficult to find.

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thread takes a turn.

All this talk about Paul and fucking kind of makes me realize how devoid of carnality his post-Beatles music is. There are a few – “Eat at Home” is a particularly hilarious one. But by and large, there is very little lasciviousness to Solo Paul and I wonder how much of that was what fired the resentment of the likes of Xgau.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 6 May 2024 12:01 (two days ago) link

why do you think I love "Press"?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 12:02 (two days ago) link

that's it yes

Left, Monday, 6 May 2024 12:11 (two days ago) link

some people never forgave linda for taking the biggest slut of the 60s off the market as it were

I assume that goes for a lot of the ostensibly straight boomer rock guys too since they would never shut up about how pretty he was and how he should have done better (married jane and kept fucking around I guess)

Left, Monday, 6 May 2024 12:27 (two days ago) link

You are proving my point, Alfred.

"For No One" is def. ice cold. But I am failing to see evidence that Paul was some toxic misogynist if that, indeed, is what is being suggested by some here.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 6 May 2024 14:20 (two days ago) link

I always thought Junior's Farm was nonsense lyrics, but it's actually a clever little thing about capitalism, isn't it? Looking forward to One Hand Clapping coming out.

― timellison, Saturday, 4 May 2024 20:47

?? There's one line about inflation, that's all I can see. The poker stuff is about Beatle/Apple breakup negotiations, innit

glumdalclitch, Monday, 6 May 2024 15:48 (two days ago) link

re: carnality: "Hi Hi Hi!"

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Monday, 6 May 2024 16:59 (two days ago) link

^^^ definitely about fucking a banana

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:00 (two days ago) link

Let's not forget Fuh You

Alba, Monday, 6 May 2024 17:58 (two days ago) link

Actually, let's forget Fuh You

Alba, Monday, 6 May 2024 17:58 (two days ago) link

(xp) I only wish I could.

I've left the box of soup near your shoes (Tom D.), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:01 (two days ago) link

coming up!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:08 (two days ago) link

I don't find any of the Beatles a bit attractive. Maybe young George? But he would've sulked me to death.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 18:08 (two days ago) link

not sure why I posted that it seemed vaguely relevant to the fucking discussion

there are some really hot ones out there but this isnt a thirst trap thread unless the thirst traps are songs which he has plenty of

Left, Monday, 6 May 2024 18:12 (two days ago) link

I find each of them attractive or unattractive at different times in different eras

Left, Monday, 6 May 2024 18:12 (two days ago) link

pepper john is the hottest john not sure if that's a hot take or not

Left, Monday, 6 May 2024 18:13 (two days ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/nov/21/fireman-electric-arguments

apprently not his finest hour.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, November 21, 2008 4:19 PM (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

but close to it. "sing the changes"!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:32 (two days ago) link

"fluid" on rushes is the nearest he ever approached bitches brew (released just a month or two before let it be)

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 May 2024 19:36 (two days ago) link

This has been pegged by the more excitable tabloids as a hate rant against Heather Mills

lol i'm sorry but this word choice is a low blow

budo jeru, Monday, 6 May 2024 20:52 (two days ago) link

I always thought Junior's Farm was nonsense lyrics, but it's actually a clever little thing about capitalism, isn't it? Looking forward to One Hand Clapping coming out.

― timellison, Saturday, 4 May 2024 20:47

?? There's one line about inflation, that's all I can see. The poker stuff is about Beatle/Apple breakup negotiations, innit

― glumdalclitch, Monday, May 6, 2024 8:48 AM (six hours ago)

Yeah, but specifically about MONEY and how it's earned. Or not earned, you just have to play the game. And what happens in the seats of power - "We all chipped in for a bag of cement." And what someone is willing to do for a couple of pence.

timellison, Monday, 6 May 2024 22:30 (two days ago) link

Re. sexuality in his songs - "Alligator" on New.

timellison, Monday, 6 May 2024 22:31 (two days ago) link

coldblooded, that one

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 22:32 (two days ago) link

Actually, the next song on that album ("On My Way to Work") also.

timellison, Monday, 6 May 2024 22:39 (two days ago) link

Re. sexuality in his songs - "Alligator" on _New._

Other than the titular alligator, the lyric to that song sounds an awful lot like he just wants somebody there when he comes home.

Actually, the next song on that album ("On My Way to Work") also.


And on this one, he’s glancing at a Maxim-ish magazine while picking up trash on a subway platform.

What’s next, one with him leering at the semi-nude corpse of a fellow nursing home resident?
These are possibly the least sexy songs in the history of sexy songs.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 13:49 (six hours ago) link

are old people not allowed to be horny? or do you want more appropriate expressions of horniness whatever that would look like? I mean the queen is dead so what do you want from him

and he already made the most unsexy sexy song ever decades ago it's called temporary secretary

Left, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 14:08 (five hours ago) link

My nursing home crack probably made that sound more ageist than it was intended. I just don’t think either of those songs are sexy or carnal in any way. They’re mostly just kind of sad and lonely.

This catchy motherfucker OTOH …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWYlWvtEyio

(h/t Alba)

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 8 May 2024 17:32 (two hours ago) link


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