Radical Menstruation

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There are bathrooms w/tampons available? Fuck, that's great. Unless they mostly get stuck down the toilet, which I've seen a few times.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

If the menstruation is radical, you sure as f@#k dont wanna discuss it!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

I do agree with many of the specifics of what you're saying, Maura. After all, although I was told about menstration quite early, I still had all sorts of odd ideas about what it entailed. (Most alarmingly, I didn't realise that it was only for a few days at a time. I thought it would be a constant flow of blood!)

I think greater awareness of women's health issues in general would be a good thing - and all of this needs to be free of corporate sponsorship. I didn't realise things had got to be so bad in the States. But, as usual, most of Ladyfest UK addresses things in such a ludicrously cack-handed approach that no one can take it seriously.

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

There are more tampons than there are dead people in the cemetary in the financial district in the bathroom at my workplace, it's kind of frightening.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link


One grows tired of tampons

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

Those femail tin-can recepticles are super scary. Ive always wanted to take a crap in one.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

I think greater awareness of women's health issues in general would be a good thing

Especially awareness by men.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

The worst is when they aren't attached to the stalls correctly. ONe time I accidentally made the one on the opposite side crash onto the floor.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

During my short career as a custodial engineer, i had major quams with those fetus tins. Whats with the kitty-litter? I used to see food and shit in there...nothing like a ripe bananna next to a bloody wad of nasty.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

fetus tins

EEEWWWWWWWWWW...

mei (mei), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

see i've never been to ladyfest's workshops (i think i went to one show), so i don't really know about execution. but i really do like the concept. it annoys me to no end that the only time women are encouraged to know about their entire cycle is when they're getting ready to (/panicked by) have children.

haha ally, yeah the workplace where the ladies' room had the highest number of tampons available was also the one where there weren't many women at all.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

In my middle school, one could often find used pads open in the hallway. Talk about feeling awkward about one's coming of age! Urgh!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

My workplace has a lot of tampons because we all rather suspiciously have serious defaults with our reproductive systems that have all come about since signing on at this godforesaken company. Ergo, we buy a lot of tampons. Haha there is one way to force male awareness! "Your horrible drinking water or something has made us all horribly ill!! Here's a $10k tampon bill fuckos!"

Allyzay, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

okay, i don't mean to be disrespectful to the opposite gender, but this thread so made me lose my shit. i kep laughing out loud for at least 6-7 minutes. i'm a creep. my negative karma is going to decree me to be born as a menstuated red-blood cell next, i know it

also, the other thing i just have to add here is like a public service announcement: women, womyn, ladies, PLEASE do not ever ever ever dispose of your feminine hygiene products in the toilet/bathroom drains if you live in an old apartment building, since this WILL very probably cause the entire building's toilets to fuck up and get stuck and then explode the plumbing system ETCETERA...especially if you are living at 909 West 30th Street, Los Angeles, CA, 90007

just trust me here.

Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

Womyn, hahhaa...

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

"Womyn" isn't actually respectful, it's condescending, but then I'm male

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone who calls Us Womyn will get a used homemade tampon flung at them.

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

When my parents were first married, they went to live in Seattle. They shared a house with their landlord. One day the toilet got backed up. A plumber came out and worked on it for a very long time and eventually pulled out a feminine product and was like, "This here is yer culprit." My mom was mortified.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I am not down with "womyn".

Allyzay, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

But you "go down" on them, right? ha ha

I consider myself a feminist, but being around people like my mom for years and years has made me develope quite a sense of humor about this sort of thing.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

see i've never been to ladyfest's workshops (i think i went to one show), so i don't really know about execution. but i really do like the concept. it annoys me to no end that the only time women are encouraged to know about their entire cycle is when they're getting ready to (/panicked by) have children.
-- maura (maur...), November 5th, 2003

I went to a couple of workshops, not about menstruation, and they were fascinating.

Men never really get to know abt the full cycle, which is a shame.

At the risk of sounding like a TOTAL idiot, is it true that sometimes the cycle gets linked to the moon? I read it on a quite believable website, but it seems a bit unlikely.
Seriously, I don't know!

mei (mei), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I have read that if you sleep somewhere that you are actually exposed to the moon on a regular basis, then your menstral cycle synchs up to it. I don't know if this is true or just an old wives' tale.

Generally, womens' menstral cycles tend to just synch up to whatever woman they spend the largest amount of time in close proximity to. Unless they're on the pill. Selfish women, going on the pill and wrecking havoc with their sisters' cycles!

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

*sneaks away*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

hey, i didn't mean to condescend -> its not me who made "womyn" up, its radical feminists! isn't it? there are all these "womyn's organizations" on campuses, we must contact one to find out

Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

I've been reading this book called "Desire: The Politics of Sexuality" or something like that. And one of the most interesting things about it is talking about the polarisation of the Feminist Movement, and its eventual split into various factions - radical feminism, cultural feminism etc. etc. etc.

People's reactions to the extreme (including my own dislike of Womyn etc.) is rather tempered by the idea that many of the more moderate ideas of feminism have already been accepted into the mainstream.

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

Nah I don't blame you Vik, if yr worried, you rule

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone who calls Us Womyn will get a used homemade tampon flung at them.

At last a legit context for me to shout "MENSES FIGHT"!

(ew)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

My Actionette girls performed at Ladyfest Bristol, and had a good time (although then had a dodgy Independant article written later, shame...) but being in Manchester, I didn't tag along for that one. They were in it for their version of feminism, which means girl-organised events done the way they like it (i.e. lots of alcohol, glitter, getting dressed up together - a bit like a giant pyjama party.) The Independant writer didn't think that was radical enough. Bad Actionettes! Bad feminists!

I had a look at the Manchester Ladyfest website but the kinds of bands and workshops didn't appeal, so I didn't check it out.

My sex ed classes in 1980s Toronto were ok - we definitely went through everything in a lot of detail. The boys were made to sit through it too, although they were banned from the breast self-examination film (but were peering desperately through the door when it was screened!)

I do think pads/tampons should be a lot cheaper, but I especially think that condoms, pregnancy tests, the pill etc. are insanely overpriced - and I mean as in Boots or Superdrug, as not many people are likely to travel to the family planning clinics that dish stuff out for free or nearly free. Younger peeps with limited spending money are not going to fork out £6.99 for 12 condoms (about the cheapest you can do from Boots)

elisabeth k, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Blood, v-hole...gross. Brutal reality.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Spinktor, your name says it all.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

Its a family name.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

An unmerciful one.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know how sex ed is like there in the States, but here in Finland we learned there that menstruation is a perfectly normal thing, not to be ashamed of. No corporate sponsorship either, and no mention of a specific way of dealing with the flow. If this is all "radical menstruation" is, i wonder why they call it "radical". I guess it's radical compared to norm...

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

Radical menstruation is like regular menstruation only with more kickflips and ollies.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

And energy bars.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

Why do I sometimes feel I'm the only male here who can talk about menstruation in a reasonable manner?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

'cause you've reached male menopause?

Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

That's it. When I am finished being Queen of England, I'm moving to Scandinavia. I bet there is no Ladyfest or such nonsense in Finland because they have no NEED of such nonsense. Sigh.

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

Because you are in Finland where menstruation is a perfectly normal thing.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

In what ways is it not normal in the US/UK?

I bet there is no Ladyfest or such nonsense in Finland because they have no NEED of such nonsense. Sigh.

Now that you mention it, what is Ladyfest exactly?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

I don't find this thread funny either Tuomas, just very interesting and hopefully informative.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

I'll leave it to someone not quite so bitter as I to explain what Ladyfest is.

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

I don't find this thread funny either Tuomas, just very interesting and hopefully informative.

You're a guy? Oh, sorry, I never paid attention to your e-mail address, I thought you were a girl with a Japanese name (Mei is a woman's name in Japan).

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

Lots of women in bands, or womyn if you prefer.
They also have forums on various topics.
I really wanted to go to one, then I auditioned to play at one, then they turned me down. Bah humbug!
I mostly just wanted to go to the one in Olympia though and have Sarah Utter of the Bangs give me a guitar lesson. Later I heard that Ladyfest was a bit annoying though; that folks were unkind to non-natives. I dunno though as I wasn't there.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

A) Menstruation is a bodily function.
B) Bodily functions are a source of puerile humor.
C) 95% of my posts are puerile humor.

A + B + C = In what alternate universe is it a shocking travesty that I would see the phrase "Radical Menstruation" and make fun of it?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

Heck, *I* make fun of "radical menstration". But it's the radical part that's funny, not the menstration.

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, didn't Ladyfest London do, like, Radical Knitting or something?

Her Royal Highness Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

Hippies?

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

A + B + C = In what alternate universe is it a shocking travesty that I would see the phrase "Radical Menstruation" and make fun of it?

It's not just you, and I remember similar reactions on a previous menstruation thread. But I've nothing against humour, as long as there is more than that.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

What single thing could make an every-day event radical? A sweatband? Mountain Dew in hand? What....?

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

Am I totally sad to be excitined that, thanks to double coupons, I am going to get $1 offf on tampons at the grocery store?

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

oh oh oh pussy control

0+>, Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

I love that I know exactly who posted that without needing any clues.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

why didnt mrs tampax come to our school? *stamps foot*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 6 November 2003 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

I think this thread got started PRECISELY when my period started.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

Dude (actually, technically Dudette), now that IS radical!

Citizen Kate (kate), Thursday, 6 November 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

I think this thread got started PRECISELY when my period started.
-- teeny (teen...), November 6th, 2003.

Oh hey, we must have synchronized. No, wait...

mei (mei), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

So anyway, I meat this thread in earnest. I asked the person who used the phrase originally and they said:



> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 06:19:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: heather webster
> Subject: radical menstruation>?
>
> well.. I'm kinda glad you asked what radical menstruation is.. It's actually pretty broad and such a general term that it's open to individual interpretation.
>
> However, what I can answer is what is radical about menstruation? Tampons are made out of cotton./rayon fibers (unless you buy organic only cotton). In the US cotton is one of the most pesticide -ridden crops. Rayon is a synthetic fiber derived from wood pulp, and in the processing of rayon Dioxin is produced ( a harmful chemical linked to cervical cancer, endometriosis, tss, yeast infections, low sperm count (for guys who interact with a dioxin-tainted vagina), cuts in the vaginal walls, and birth defects. We are concerned about thoes chemicals being absorbes through our vaginal walls and fucking us up BIG time. So...We started a womyn's health and sexuality collective and the first thing we focused on was the health of menstruation. We did a lot of work and research on these chemicals and alternatives to tampons (like the keeper, homemade cotton or flannel pads, organic tampons, and stuff like that). We also looked at the impact tampons have on the enviorment- as a form of waste
> and as a chemical hazard, and the shame surrounding OUR BLOOD.
>
> So, currently we carry 8 or so zines about having a healthy period, practicing non-invasive birth control (fertility awareness through tracking your ovulation cycle (for more info see Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler)).. We also distro homemade pads, speculums, we give away info on making your own pad, and stuff like that..
>
> So, what I mean by Radical Menstruation is Menstruation Activism, tampon's are'nt healthy and if you do reaserch on them and still wanna use 'em that's fine. But I'm pretty angry that I was never told how harmful they can be. And I think it's importnat to get the word out there so menstruators can make informed decisions about thier health.
>
> if anyone wants more info.. I'd be happy to send zines and good stuff.. I'd just want $$ for shipping..especially cause most of y'all are in the UK...Wait, not necessarily- I'm actually visiting London from Nov 22-29 if there's someplace I could leave info??
>
>


mei (mei), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:48 (twenty years ago) link

Nutcases.

smee (smee), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be a lot more inclined to actually be interested in what she has to say if she didn't use the bloody word "WOMYN". Sigh. But perhaps that's just my own personal prejudices. It just taints What She Has To Say (quite interesting) with this sort of stupid feminist sloganeering Ladyfest slant which makes a lot of people who would other wise be interested completely turn off.

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 7 November 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

I would like to see the research she's citing. I can't help thinking that if tampons were categorically unhealthy, female reproductive health would be a disaster almost across the board. (Maybe it is and I just don't know.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

no http://www.vietgrove.com/images/hatorade.gif drinking on "womyn", plz.

(nb obv i like "womyn" coz it's a funny spelling, actually it's my favourite funny spelling)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

uh, the tampon companies have a very vested interest in keeping the health risks associated with their products as on the down-low as possible. see this story (which originally ran in the village voice) as one example.

maura (maura), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

(and actually the other stories linked from there are also v informative, albeit 10 years old or so)

maura (maura), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

We started a womyn's health and sexuality collective....Menstruation Activism

alarm bells there...

Jay Dee Sah Mon (Kingfish), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

uh, the tampon companies have a very vested interest in keeping the health risks associated with their products as on the down-low as possible.

Wow, that never occurred to me!

some dumbass, apparently (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

I find almost everything about menstrual cycle really fascinating. I wouldn't necessarily want to have periods, but I do wish I were more overtly forced to recognize the physiological cycles my body undergoes (and how they affect my behavior, my appearance, etc.) -- they're so obscure that I can't recognize them.

I don't remember learning anything at all in sex-ed about the fertility cycle, just that girls get periods and wear sanitary napkins during them so as not to make a mess. What a joke!

I also think the idea of menstrual cycles synching-up is fascinating (though there has been some scientific suggestion that this can be explained by mere random coincidence). I hopefully imagine that there is a good deal of behavior-mediating chemical communication going on between individuals that we haven't yet learned to recognize. And of course, the less physically shielded we are from each other, the more influence these things have.

If "radical menstruation" (a perverse name, obviously) is the response to our mindlessly commercial, interventionist health care system and paranoia-inducing health education strategies, then bully for it.

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 7 November 2003 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

Okay why has my period been going on for five weeks?

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link

It's getting A-SPENSIVE.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link

i read this as racial menstruation :/

velko, Friday, 30 January 2009 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Be colorblind, don't be so shallow.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Friday, 30 January 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link

http://members.shaw.ca/revchu/stuff/men2zb.gif

salsa shark, Friday, 30 January 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Buy some cheap red t-shirts to cut up and use as supplemental pads?

WmC, Friday, 30 January 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

why isn't there a menstruation emoji

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

I just use the volcano emoji.

Yerac, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link

well, then what do you use for volcanos

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link

The dancing lady.

Yerac, Friday, 11 January 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 January 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link


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