I thought Joker was supposed to be an evil dandy clown, not a horror movie monster.
the evil dandy clown version was done already in the Burton Batman. the character has been interpreted in enough various ways to warrant doing it differently this time around. i like it, it keeps the villain in line with the "creepy" approach they took towards the Scarecrow.
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link
http://i9.tinypic.com/4t8g9hj.png
This was the Joker-fied Dent banner that was hiding that new Joker Wayne Gacy pic. There's been a bit more of this viral marketing thingy going on apparently. Details here:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/12513314.html
I'm getting excited now.
― Roz, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 12:48 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, there was this site too with the wierd secret messages :
http://ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/
― Ste, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
im so happy eric roberts is in this
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:08 (sixteen years ago) link
when is this out again?
― akm, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:19 (sixteen years ago) link
next summer
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
-- homosexual II, Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:08 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
wow i guess there really is a first time for everything!
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
So looking forward to this.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
"see you in december"
― koogs, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link
but what happens in December?
― Ste, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link
I think that Joker looks pretty stupid. What's up with the smeared lipstick and the scars? I thought Joker was supposed to be an evil dandy clown, not a horror movie monster
Um, no.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Well, yeah, I know he's face was changed in a chemical accident, and I'm not against character revision... It's just that the image seems to imply they want to have a "darker", more brutal Joker, which is in line with the altogether darker approach they're taking with the new films, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing. The nice thing with Burton's films (and even Schumacher's) was that they blended the Gothy darkness with the essential absurdity in the heart of any superhero story, so they worked fine as modern fables. But as I said in the big debate we had about Batman Begins, I don't think Batman should be taken too seriously, which is why I think Joker works better as a dapper fellow who's just completely insane, rather than as some Hannibal Lecter type of psychopath serial killer.
Besides, if Joker has a mutilated face, doesn't he come a bit too close to Two-Face, who I see is also in the film?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
The nightmarish visions of what the Batman Begins thread turned into are starting to recur...
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
> doesn't he come a bit too close to Two-Face, who I see is also in the film?
did the big Harvey Dent posters tip you off? 8)
that 'see you in december' is what the html source of that page reads if you scrub out all the 'Ha Ha' stuff. no idea what it means, other than 'wait'.
― koogs, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Heath's face too fat and round to play the Joker. Mind you so was Nicholson's.
― ledge, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Dude, with the exception of the 1940s-1960s, the Joker has always been portrayed as a violent sociopath, not a hilarious trickster-thief. I mean, look at what he did to poor Barbara Gordon. Playing the Joker dark and scary is totally appropriate and lives up to what (IMO) is the best part about Batman--the really awesome/interesting/scary villains. xxpost
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't mean he shouldn't be dark and scary and violent, I'd just rather see him as funny-dark rather tortured-dark.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's totally in keeping with Batman existing more along the Doc Savage/The Shadow/Dick Tracy axis than the Superman/Green Lantern axis.
For that matter, Captain America and the Red Skull pretty much work the same kind of angle.
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Here is how I would cast it:
Batman/Bruce Wayne: Mark Two-Face/Harvey Dent: Scott Joker: Kevin Gordon: Bruce Barbara Gordon: Dave
― Jordan, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
FWIW I think The Joker's "dark sense of humor" is supposed to come into play in this film.
BONUS POINTS: Katie Holmes is replaced by Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel Dawes in this.
― nickalicious, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
And thank god for that.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Does anyone know if this movie is based on "The Long Halloween"? The last one already took some bits of it, and the Harvey Dent thing makes me suspect this one will too.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
ledge otm about nicholson face.
but the more i'm reading stuff online about this new one the more i'm warming to it. I love dark and nasty Joker, and am a huge fan of the Arkham Asylum graphic novel.
it's difficult to draw a conclusion on how Ledger is going to play this Joker just from one picture tho. I'm sure they'll be some 'harlequinn' banter at some point surely.
― Ste, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay that is perfect!
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
The Joker isn't in The Long Halloween. It DOES look like it will take elements of that and Dark Victory though, since Sal Maroni is also in it.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Can we cast Jake Gyllenhaal as Gay Cowboy?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
I am kind of wondering if the A Story will be from Long Halloween, and Anthony Michael Hall will be the Calendar Killer.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, when do we see Robin? Wouldn't it be great if they'd someday come up with a Batman/Robin love story, where Katie Holmes would act as Bruce Wayne's beard?
(x-post)
I think Joker is in the Long Halloween, but he has only a minor part... Maybe in the movie he's responsible for Harvey Dent's fate rather than the mobsters.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
My guess is the newly-mutilated Joker is going on a revenge spree against the mobsters responsible with Bruce and Harvey trying to stop him, and prevent a gang war, with a big ironic finale as Havey gets Two-faced by the same poison that Jokered the Joker.
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― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I was a bit underwhelmed by The Long Halloween to be honest. Lots of great atmospheres there, but in the end it was just a run-of-the-mill whodunit with a run-of-the-mill twist ending. They should've focused more on Harvey Dent's metamorphosis, which was the most interesting part of the story.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I think of Loeb as second-rate at best, so yeah, I agree.
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
long halloween was not great.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't really get "Arkham Asylum."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link
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SO THEN GO WATCH THE IDIOTIC TIM BURTON FILM FOR GOD'S SAKE TUOMAS
or the cartoon series, or the television series from the 60s, or...etc etc!!
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link
It's all Jungian and shit. Fuckin' Morrison. (I don't think AA is one of his better works, but I'd take minor Morrison over a Loeb 'masterpiece' anyday.)
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
i am so so so there for this if aaron eckhart is playing harvey dent tho. i mean i was there for this before that but now i'm 100% on board.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Look upthread, Ally.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf do you think i was referring to, ned.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link
u makin me crazy, bro!!
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost Whoa. Now I happen to think that Batman Begins is the best batman movie yet, but let's not get too crazy. Keaton was awesome, and Burton's film was a lot of fun.
― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:30 (sixteen years ago) link
It was your use of the word 'if' that threw me! But now I'm imagining a scenario where they cast him, took the promo photos and then told him they were fucking with him.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
omg that should be casting industry standard procedure.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
"Michael Keaton" and "awesome" are only allowed in the same sentence as "Beetlejuice" sorry.
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
How soon we forget "Jack Frost."
― Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
How soon thankfully we forget "Jack Frost."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:26 PM (9 minutes ago)
Ya, I got the Jung undertones, I think it was just too much atmosphere and too little comprehensible story for my tastes. I loved the art, but it was too difficult to follow. I suppose I should go back and read Morrison's annotated script in the back.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
AA is a bit of a big mess, but it was one of the first things I remember reading with Morrison's name on it - definitely put him on my radar
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 17:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Dear Jessie,
You are wrong.
Sincerely,
Mr Mom
― nickalicious, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
MR. MOM (1983)
Plot Keywords: Child Nudity / Self Discovery
― jessie monster, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 19:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i actually liked him as batman
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link