Penn & Teller's Bullshit!

"Three of clubs" is classic, being an easily recogniseable 'medium' card

not like, say, nine or ten of hearts, where conj goes "Is this your card" and the guy goes "um, maybe, let me count the hearts..... yep!"

The point with bottled water isnt the taste, its the fact coca-cola amatil et al claim you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals.

BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city. Bottled water otoh sits in storage and parking lots and shops in the sun and gets all gross and has been shown in tests to have far more ecoli and etc than tap water.

Dont buy bottled water, any of you. Just dont. It is a crime against everything, a problem created by coca cola to make money.

Then again, the first time I made a disprin with bottled water, I was like "whoa, it actually dissolves! As opposed to "go all clumpy and have to be stirred"".

The point with bottled water isnt the taste, its the fact coca-cola amatil et al claim you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals.

Where do they claim this?

"In designing DASANI to be the best tasting water, we start with the local water supply, which is then filtered to remove impurities."

"Since [Aquafina's] state-of-the-art HydRO-7 purification system removes substances most other bottled waters leave in, you get pure water and perfect taste every time."

"Does Aquafina remove the substances like bacteria or gaseous compounds?
Our state-of-the-art HydRO-7™ purification system is designed to remove dissolved solids and organic compounds that may be present in the water. The reverse osmosis process we use removes these organic compounds, but we also employ other steps such as carbon filtration, ozonation, and Ultra Violet (UV) light as additional safeguards."

"Does the Aquafina purification process remove pharmaceuticals?

The Aquafina purification process uses the best technology available to purify water. It is an accredited and validated process that meets or exceeds government standards and has been verified by independent experts.

The seven-step RO-7 process includes reverse osmosis, ozonation and carbon filtration. Each of these steps - even individually - is designed to remove manufactured molecules such as pharmaceuticals, as well as naturally occurring substances such as heavy metals. When these steps are used together, as they are in our proprietary RO-7 process, they further ensure the purity of Aquafina."

So is none of that actually true? Or, is it true but not really a big deal (as in, tap water won't get you sick anyway).

Yeah the latter, mainly (and thanks Phil! Some excellent quotes)

I did mean in the marketing sense rather than anything scientific of course. Not all that long ago bottled water did not exist, and people sniggered at Perrier and Evian drinkers. "why would you pay for water?".

Softdrink companies manufactured a concern. There's some excellent web-movies on this stuff. I'm trying to rememver where I saw them.

FIJI water's a nice example of something supposedly pure and quality actually completely fucking up the community in Fiji where the factory is.

Recycled plastic - there's too much of it - is sent to India for "processing" and most of it ends up being burnt. WHich poisons the commnities where they do the processing. Which means their water gets tainted. Whoops! Better send in some bottled water to help them out!

Well I can see people drinking it as a "novelty" back in the day but it's not really that laughable of a product anymore. You can get around 30 bottles for $4 which is about the cost of just buying purified water by the gallon.

Aha here we go: this is what I saw recently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annie-leonard/the-story-of-bottled-wate_b_507942.html

The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?

...you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals. BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city.

People do tend to forget that there are still a lot of places in the world where the water will make you very, very sick. And not over several years, Erin Brockovich-style, but that very same afternoon. No, we have not 100% perfected the total purity of the water supply in America, but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you. This is not because most municipal water supplies are unsafe to drink. In America, almost no municipal water supplies have been shown to have any ill health effects of any kind over any period of time. (With a few notable exceptions, of course.) A huge amount of time and money and engineering and invention and all-around giving a shit has gone into making sure that you can drink a glass of water right out of your faucet whenever you like, and even if you have taste issues with your local tap water, I don't think enough people stop to consider what a modern miracle it is that we have unlimited access to perfectly safe, clean water.

The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?

Because it tastes much better, and yes I would do a double blind test or whatever

Yeah Kenan I'm obviously talking about western cities with clean water supplies. Theyre the ones soda companies are selling this crap to!

but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you.

It is Coca Cola Amatil et al who CREATED this "feeling". Watch that link/video I posted.

Sorry this is my one barrel I push haha. Wrong thread for it really.

oh my god you guys

Bottled water is a load of bullshit. please don't drink/buy it. Thanks from the rest of the world.

pretty sure all water is fine unless you drink it out of a muddy hoofprint. Like you guys being all "don't put bad things in your body" on a board that has a 340-post thread on how awesome four loko is, i mean

it's the BOTTLING of the water that is the problem

Thankyou Shakey, I was begnning to think I was on crazy pills!

And if your tap water is hard (which is why Mark G's disprin wont dissolve), or metallic, or a little funny tasting - buy a filter jug!

I like hard water, both for drinking from the tap and for showering. Calcium and magnesium are not problems with the water, they're just common minerals. Hell, the water out of Lake Michigan has so much calcium in it, you don't need to drink milk anymore.

And it's delicious, btw.

I like the chunky style.

hard water is the worst for showering, makes crazy hair

so does this show still involve Penn and Teller picking and ripping apart easy targets and spitting out oversimplified opinions? if so, I'll continue to skip and will thank u for the warning

I never liked this show for that reason. Any good arguments they make are, like you say, shootin' fish in a barrel stuff - and theres that small percentage of utter libertarian nonsense to boot.

And a while ago I was dating a guy who, I realised eventually, looks (and has opinions) like Penn Gilette. It was... disconcerting. Like that episode of the IT crowd where Jen is dating the guy who looks like a magician, haha.

Just got tickets for the Vegas show! :D

My seats are ridiculously fucking close

Growing up, these guys were some of my heroes. It was awesome to get another Penn & Teller book for Christmas or seeing them on Letterman.

I liked in one of their books when they said magic is a terrible way to pick up women. It makes people think you are deceitful and crafty and manipulative, which they said is not attractive to women.

It's a good way of making women appear from nowhere though.

being cut in half is probably a turn-off

Whiney will the Vegas show have the ppl from the British TV contest?

\o_o/

man i used to love these guys wish i never woulda watched this horrible show.

glenn beck follows penn on twitter (and muse!)

muse about what?

muse the band

I feel silly!
But: Stephanie Meyers likes them ---Glenn Beck likes them, are they the #1 band for Mormons?

yeah i don't know much about them, other than the songs on rock band and guitar here...are they "political" or some shit? i guess they are the new Rush kinda so maybe they have weirdo libertarian leanings and shit

An in-law of mine has been tweeting obsessively on facebook about the recycling episode, telling everybody to stop recycling. Could anyone who has seen the episode break this down for me? The only clue I've got from this thread is:

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:01 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bump

from what i remember someone figured out the pollution/resoureces it takes to drive trucks to places and pick up news papers and then break them down vs just dumping them in a field, and it's supposedly WORSE for the environment to have all these extra trucks and factories running to reuse this stuff

Oh, I'm sure...

Also, for every action there is a reaction.

As in, we get to have our burgers in biodegradeable boxes, only get a shopping plastic bag when we really need it, and so on. So, Newspapers are given out free to train travellers, everyone tales one, only 50% of them are read, and 95% are left on the train to get recycled and reprinted. I vote we sack free papers.

xp ok (or not, depending on whether that's true) but recycling is not just about energy saving, it's about not giving over the whole of your countryside to massive stinky unhealthy landfill sites.

Yeah, I was thinking about that. And not stripping the countryside of natural resources in the first place.

stuff like paper might be better made from renewable resources rather than recycled, iirc. like to see the arguments against recycling rarer materials with finite supplies.

aren't these guys more or less global warming sceptics tho? fucking libertarians