post-super bowl XX chicago bears starting quarterbacks

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I've railed against the late-80s/early-90s "graffiti" fonts before, but really. I have to remind everyone that there's a place worse than D.A.R.E.:

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Steve Fuller- decent backup QB, won a playoff game and if hadn't gotten hurt after Jimmy Mac in 86, they might have had another shot at the Superbowl.

Mike Tomczak- much maligned, but really better than many of these clowns that followed. He hung around the NFL for a long time.
Doug Flutie- First start was a playoff game against the 49ers as a rookie. The Bears gave up on him after that embarrassment and in hind sight was mistake, as Flutie did eventually prove he could play in the NFL.

Jim Harbaugh- Harbaugh was kind of a scapegoat as he became the starter as the great Bears teams were in apogee with Payton gone and that good offensive line starting to fall apart. Ditka really screwed him big time pulling that yanking stunt in Minnesota and the fans turned on him big time. In hindsight, he was WAY freakin better than most of these bozos and could have been a solid for a lot longer. His scrambling ability bailed out a their O-line a bunch. The only game I ever saw in person was the Vikings versus the Bears like the weekend that Jordan retired for the first time (so probably 92?) and they sacked him like 7 times and hit him a dozen more. The line was so porous and yet every Bear fan listening to talk radio driving out talked about how much Harbaugh was to blame for the loss, which was complete insanity.

Peter Tom Willis- He was hyped up for about a half a year after he was drafted, I think because of the three name thing and because he had that Jesse Palmer thing that he kind of looked like a QB. He was also one of many Florida State QBs that put up huge numbers in college and not do squat in the pros.

Will Furrer- Don't even remember the dude.

Erik Kramer- He actually was pretty decent when healthy. He had one good season with the Bears.

Steve Walsh- See Peter Tom Willis and insert Miami of Florida where it says Florida State.

Dave Kreig- This guy was a pretty good QB for a long time, not heralded as he played in Seattle. He played for the Bears late in his career and had a few decent games on very middling Bears clubs. I think he was there in the Wannstadt 7-9 into infinity years.

Rick Mirer- The guy had a decent rookie year at Seattle then turned to suck. The Bears cannot help but get rooked on Notre Dame guys, but hey Mirer kept getting a job for ten years or more.

Steve Stenstrom & Moses Moreno- Don't remember, I didn't watch as much football for a couple of years as I used to have to work a bunch of Sundays at a restaurant.

Shane Matthews- See Steve Walsh, insert Florida in place of 'The U'.

Cade McNown- Flush that #1 down the toilet. He looked cool throwing from the left side though.

Jim Miller- One of my favorites, as the dude was a total meatball. His press conference after he got busted for steroids was hilarious. He was decent, but couldn't stay healthy after having the one OK year.

Chris Chandler- Chandler was a decent QB that could never stay healthy. When he could play, he did alright and put up some results like in Atlanta. The guy played in the NFL forever and ended up with the Bears at the end of his career.

Henry Burris- This dude was terrible. He was one of the worse ones, even more so then Krenzel. That season the Bears went through everyone and a bucket playing QB and I don't think that Burris guy could of started at Illinois, let alone the Bears. Burris started either a Monday night or Sunday night game and it was one of the most freaking ugly games a QB could have.

Kordell Stewart- The guy had some talent and maybe if just left as a 'slash' player, he might have had more success. He took the brunt of the Steelers long time failures in the playoffs, some much deserved. It wasn't a terrible idea giving him a shot, but I think the failure seemed to kind of break him a bit. When he first started though, he was an exciting player for a season or two.

Rex Grossman- In the end, see Shane Matthews but give him a bunch more starts.

Jonathan Quinn- Another guy that got a shot in lost season. He didn't have much.

Craig Krenzel- Dude gave it the old college try, but he just didn't have the chops. I kind of liked the guy, but he didn't have much of an arm.

Chad Hutchinson- This is a backup that got hyped, a signing for the Bears a bit like Steve Walsh, who started as a backup with the Cowboys. He had some big ass teeth.

Kyle Orton- I like the guy and there have been some decent QBs to come out of Purdue, so I hope for the best.

Brian Griese- Dude was following Elway, his dad is a Hall of Fame QB and he ended up a QB for the Bears -- i.e. he was screwed from jump street.

Jeff Blake is one of my favorite of the more obscure Bears QBs. That dude had a cannon of the arm and a couple of decent years with the Bengals. If he would have ended up with a better club early in his career, things might have been different.

Vince Evans- The guy had a really good arm and started a bit before Jimmy Mac. He hung around the NFL for a long time afterwards.

Bob Avellini- The dude would run for more yards than pass some games. Payton always got more running the ball for more yards than Avellini would thrown.

Mike Phipps - Dude was a big time first round draft bust that ended up with the Bears for a while before Jimmy Mac.

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voted Tomczak

I grew up in northern Indiana in the 70s/80s and had a Bears stocking hat when I was like 3. My uncle was a die-hard Bears fan and he got me into watching football, as he lived with my grandma and we would spend Sundays over at there house quite a bit. I probably saw 85-90% of the Bears games from like 1980 to 1992. I was a total football junkie when I was a kid, so 80s football up until when the Cowboys would maul the Bills, I know really well. I can remember watching like the Cowboys versus the Rams in the playoffs in like 79 (Roger Staubach at QB for the Cowboys) and Earl Campbell with the Oilers pretty well, as even when I was like 9 or 10 years old, I'd watch football and read comic books on Sundays.

I worked a lot of Sundays during the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys era (which was kind of cruddy anyway as either them or the Niners were going to win it all) until say 96 when I finally got done with school, started working 8 to 5 and could watch football again on weekends.

i always sort of appreciated harbaugh and the straight up professional michigan qb in general. brady's sort of upped the ante, but i still think of there being sort of a "michigan style."

here's the Burris line from his one and only start (against the Bucs)

7-19 78yds 0Td's 4INT

The guy who replaced him in the game, Cory Sauter, is not even listed in the poll.

oh, sauter never started and replacing Burris was his one and only appearance in an NFL game

can someone explain to me how this has happened - is there an institutional bias in chicago toward getting the shittiest possible qb - theres got to be a reason

i think a lot of it has been this unofficial organizational mandate to go with defense and bruising running backs and qbs who are "effective" at "managing the game". i also think it's been the gms the bears have had, a lot of dudes who happen to believe in that particular mandate and really think the team should have this "monsters of the midway" thing. i mean there's also bad luck coming into play, the bears are pretty notorious for having ill-timed, horrific #1 draft picks at qb and rb.

every single offseason bears fans are praying for some awesome pick in the first round of one of these star qb types or, barring that, some amazing free agent signing or trade. but every offseason, as far back as i can recall, angelo or whoever happens to be running the show announces they're going with that they've got and bringing in some griese/kreig aging former pro bowler type to be the third string. i mean it's pretty sickening to think that our best qb over the past twenty something years was probably erik kramer and our best hope now is kyle orton, only because he doesn't cough up the ball on a regular basis. but i personally don't think orton is the long-term answer, because while he's not grossman he's not exactly gonna change the game for the better.

and yeah, the treatment harbaugh got in chicago was pretty horrible. the dude was an alright qb, and ditka was just being a bitch because a lot of the problems with those teams had more to do with the coaching and o-line and less to do with the qb, and i think ditka would rather hang his qb out to dry than the guys in the trenches, because they're men's men after all. but it sort of makes sense in chicago; qbs there never catch a single break, every single one of them has received the mcnabb treatment, and the best qb in town is always the dude on the bench (haha except for right now!)

figured it was something like that - just like red sox for years being all we need power to compliment fenway while neglecting pitching - new ownership and boom 2 titles

personally i think the bears have some really big issues and they have only a few things going for them now, and that's forte (dude looks pretty awesome, best rb since anderson), briggs/harris/urlacher, hester, and lovie smith (he's made some mistakes--lol falcons game--but i think the guy is a really good coach and 6-6 considering the "talent" he's saddled with is pretty good imo).

Honestly think it's worth sticking with Orton and surrounding him with more talent. He's looked pretty good this year at times.

yeah i mean he's not a "problem", he's been good, and i'd say the bears got bigger issues in the secondary and in the receiving corps, but i'm not sold on him 100% yet.

Erik Kramer

"can someone explain to me how this has happened - is there an institutional bias in chicago toward getting the shittiest possible qb - theres got to be a reason"

The Bears seem to also always have a bunch of injury problems at QB, much more than the norm, it has to be. I think in the 70s and 80s it was probably playing on that often frozen piece of Astroturf at Soldier Field. They have had seasons in this stretch when they would not just lose their starter, they would literally lose two or three QBs in a year. That year that Flutie ended up starting that playoff game, the Bears lost McMahon, Fuller and Tomczak to injury. That has happened more than a few times in the last 20 years or so.

The injury bug has kind of been a thing with the Bears on and off over the last few years. I'd like to have a dollar for every day that Mike Brown and Tommie Harris have spend on IR. Both dudes are killer players when they are healthy, but they have had some bad luck (although Mike Brown is holding it together this season).

good insight re frozen tundra^

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ok who voted for grossman?

How did Kordell Stewart get 3 votes, and Steve Fuller get none?

I know Bobby Dougalass predates the conditions for this thread but check out his dropback technique in this: (it's at the 40 second mark)

^I think this was played at Wrigley

and check out how gigantic the Browns wide receiver is (#89 Gary Collins)

er I guess that's Milt Morin the tight end, still Collins (86) is semi-gigantic. This is all I have left in this ol' world.

I grew up with Bobby's stepsons. Douglass was a nice guy, but he liked the sauce a lot.

Two notes about that Browns/Bears clip above:

1) on the Browns first touchdown from the one, every one of the Bears d-linemen stands up at the snap, which is terrible technique. If you did that nowadays, you'd be cut at halftime.

2) Was Dick Butkus trying to rip Leroy Kelly's head off?

Bobby Douglass' backpedal in that clip just encapsulates in a few seconds the shoddy legacy that Bears' qbs have left since Sid Luckman

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this is pretty key

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"He was also one of many Florida State QBs that put up huge numbers in college and not do squat in the pros."

Soon to add Jameis Winston to this list!

Charlie Ward was the best pro Florida State QB ever and he played for the KNICKS!

I think it is a perfectly logical move for the Bears to go to Claussen. Bears get a shot to see if Claussen has picked up anything sitting in the wings as a backup and it puts it out that Cutler might not be the starter. I can't see the McCaskey's eating that contract, that would be very unlike them as they are notoriously tight with their cash. You make Cutler sit it out and then make him win the job next year in training camp with a new coach.

you can't start jimmy clausen. you just can't.

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DUDE WAS QB FOR NOTRE DAME, don't underestimate the Chicago Bear front office and some of the fan base to be blinded by that fact.

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Motivational football speaker, Craig Krenzel was is a former college and professional quarterback. He is the founder of Arthur Krenzel Lett Insurance Group and occassionally a commentator for WBNS 97.1 The FAN in Columbus, which broadcasts the Ohio State Buckeyes football games. Craig led Ohio State to the national championship, and 2003. He was known for his clutch play, smart decision making, and accuracy.

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Kordell Stewart, the former Pittsburgh Steeler and ex-husband of “Real Housewives of Atlanta” member Porsha Williams, is leaving 92.9/The Game after 19 months at the station.

He said goodbye on today’s show and took calls from fans. I did not hear why he’s leaving but will update this as I get more information. Was it voluntary or involuntary? Does he have a plan B?

Terry Foxx, the program director, declined to comment about where Stewart is going. He said there will be new staffing announcements on Tuesday. Foxx on air said Stewart will keep a relationship with the Game and clearly this is an amicable break up because Foxx actually allowed Stewart to make the announcement on air.

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It was sad to see Peter Tom Willis forced out as a radio analyst for Florida State football games. It was sadder still to see honesty forced out with him.

Willis, a former FSU quarterback who had been in the booth for 10 years, was told this month that his contract would not be renewed because the administration felt he was too critical.

So now, I suppose, the Seminoles are free to hire a softer radio voice.

And all it cost them was their integrity.

My goodness, this was wrong. Too wrong to be ignored.

How does an institution of higher learning send the message that offering honest and well-informed criticism is a firing offense? How does a fan base accept this with so little complaint?

Isn't a college campus a place where independent thinking is encouraged? A place where the quest for knowledge and understanding is supposed to be a good thing?

Willis' sin was that he did his job too well.

Genius.

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2011 season

After a back and forth preseason, Hanie won a battle with Nate Enderle for the second position on the depth chart. Against the San Diego Chargers in week 11, starting quarterback Jay Cutler suffered a broken thumb on his throwing hand. The following day, the Bears reported that Cutler would need to have surgery on the thumb, possibly ending his season. Hanie was named the starter for the Bears until Cutler's return.

On November 27, 2011 Hanie started his first NFL game against the Oakland Raiders. He threw two touchdowns and three interceptions in the 25-20 loss, snapping the Bears' 5-game winning streak. In that game with 8 seconds left, looking to spike the ball, Hanie stepped backwards, as if attempting a pass, and then spiked the ball. He was charged with intentional grounding and was forced to runoff the clock 10 more seconds, preserving a Raiders win. The following week, Hanie threw three interceptions in a 10-3 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Baltimore Ravens

Hanie signed a one-year contract with the Baltimore Ravens on April 16, 2013 as competition for Tyrod Taylor for the backup quarterback position. He was released on August 30, 2013.
Cleveland Browns

Hanie was signed by the Cleveland Browns on December 3, 2013.[8] Hanie was waived on December 10.[9]
Dallas Cowboys

Hanie was signed to a one year deal by the Dallas Cowboys on April 23, 2014. Hanie was released by the team on August 26, 2014. [10]

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Collins was signed by the Chicago Bears to a one-year deal for the 2010 season. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.[8] Collins made the roster as the second-string quarterback after Jay Cutler and ahead of Caleb Hanie. Collins played for the Bears in the fourth game of the season, beginning the second half of the Week 4 matchup against the New York Giants when starter Jay Cutler suffered a concussion in the first half. Collins finished that game 4 for 11 for 36 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. The Bears lost 17–3, their first loss of the season, falling to 3–1. He would fill in for Cutler in Week 5 against the Carolina Panthers. In that start, Collins completed six of 16 passes for 32 yards, threw four interceptions and had a passer rating of 6.2. He was relieved at the end of the third quarter by Caleb Hanie. The Bears won 23–6.[9] Collins also saw limited action in the Bears' 21–14 NFC Championship game loss to the Packers, relieving the injured Cutler in the third quarter before being replaced by Hanie after suffering a shoulder injury. This was the final game of his career.

the biggest indictment of Bears QBs is to look at every single one objectively and ask if they were a disappointment or if they were surprisingly not bad. and the list of "better than expected" is basically only Grossman, Orton, and Kramer. And the best QB on the list is *still* Cutler, who has to be filed under "disappointment".