New Apple Lust Objects

(what i mean is, when you're out and about, scrolling through your list of albums, you're just looking at an index of what's on your home machine, which then streams the song to you via IP)

xpost provide proof of address in another country - it worked for me! (nb: i actually did move to another country)

You used to be able to do this with iTunes sharing, except the record companies went nuts so now it only works on your local network

It took all of four phone calls and two minutes of Internet for my shiny new $299 iPhone to crash and require a hard reset. This does not bode well.

You can do this streaming already, at least over wifi (and I'm sure over 3G too). I imagine in a couple of years I'll have a 3G phone, a 2Tb (or so) hard drive at home and access to all my music whenever I'm in cellphone range.

....has anyone heard about those t-mobile phones that use VoIP when yr in range of Wifi?? pretty rad.

the nanos are SOOO teeny lovely. really want to see one up close

Argh, if it's the same Starbucks song in every store than the sales are likely handled through the centralized iTunes store, which sucks.

I was hoping it'd actually be a store-based thing, where the system knows what song is playing and the files to sell are stored locally. The system could phone home to validate iTunes Store login credentials, and then sell whatever it has loaded locally.

Think how that could work as a standalone appliance. Apple could sell a "band on tour" box to bands where they could plug it in at a venue (electricity and network) and then anyone who had an iPod could go ahead and buy the band's album, or tour exclusives, directly at the show wirelessly.

I loathe my phone, so I'm set for an iPhone, which makes an iTouch a bit pointless really -- it's not got enough space to be much more use for cutting about than a nano, and everything else the iPhone will do.

dude. you loathe your phone? remember what i'm still using? jesus fucking christ.

i dunno, though: part of me thinks, hmm, all-in-one phone-and-iPod? that's gonna get lost/dropped/nicked, and fuck me RIGHT off.

maybe i should buy two :)

i will never understand how 6G of music is "not enough" for a portable music player

It's also a portable movie player.

Jobs is really not handling this well:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118910651781519626.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

HI DERE, what's a feature-length movie though? about a gig? say i'm going on a long plane trip: you could bring three movies and still have 3 GIGS left over for music!

i'm sure it's just what you become used to. i haven't had a walkman since my minidisc gave up the ghost, so coming from the perspective of "which two or three albums should i bring with me today" 6 gigs seems positively decadent.

"which two or three albums should i bring with me today"

With humongous storage you don't need to make that decision every day. You just get up and go and listen to whatever you like on the way. It is decadent, but decadent is good.

Yeah, I've not got time to add iPod loading to my crowded morning schedule. I'm a busy executive!

It is nice to be out, get a song in your head and then realise you can scratch the itch right there and then.

(to be fair, Tracer is saying he's left the "which two or three albums should i bring with me today" decision behind with his minidisc)

i did, but that's my baseline for expectations - so 3 gigs for me seems pretty close to providing "whatever i want".

i also am possibly just more discerning than you.

my 4GBer seemed more than enough when I used it

Jobs is really not handling this well

As someone who knows that the standard Apple rule of thumb is that something newly introduced will be made cheaper and better some months down the line, I can't find myself being at all sympathetic to all these consumer complaints. If a lot of people complaining are talking about their loyalty to the brand for a long time, then THEY know that as well. Whiners.

getting rid of those 40 gigs of sebadoh b-sides was the most cost-effective decision i've made in years

I still don't get the point of the iTouch. It's just a touch-screen version fo a Nano, isn't it.

w/ bigger screen and wireless

the nano doesn't have a wireless web browser!

register likes it more than the iphone - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/07/apple_ipod_touch_coup/

As someone who knows that the standard Apple rule of thumb is that something newly introduced will be made cheaper and better some months down the line, I can't find myself being at all sympathetic to all these consumer complaints. If a lot of people complaining are talking about their loyalty to the brand for a long time, then THEY know that as well. Whiners.

-- Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2007 12:55 (29 minutes ago) Link

I don't feel sorry for them either - I kind of think it was stupid and vain of people to need to buy the phone when it first came out. But I still think it looks pretty bad and lacking in confidence to drop the price so much so soon. And I think he's actually making things worse with the store credit, like "Hey, I know I fucked up, so here's a consolation prize."

I've been pretty amazed by the coverage of this - I maybe didn't expect a pric drop a couple of days ago, but certainly within a few weeks of now. Look at the amount the Razr dropped in price over its first year - I don't think we're going to see $99 iPhones in six months.

As I didn't feel I was entitled to anything back $100 of store credit seems like a good deal.

From that register article:

Unlike the iPhone, which is locked down at the carrier's request, third-party applications will not be restricted on the Touch.

Is this confirmed?

so i know i shit-talked it like two days ago, but it turns out the nanos aren't that ugly in person

Although I have a laptop, I rarely take it out and about. I turned it on in the airport and there were half a dozen wireless networks available. Are most of them subscriber-only? For one-off use, do you have to physically find a place to pay and get credit? How do people tend to use public wireless? I find it all a bit of a mystery. It would be a better technology if you could have a menu of all the payment choices from your laptop/iPod Touch.

I still don't get the point of the iTouch. It's just a touch-screen version fo a Nano, isn't it.

I think people are underestimating how much the size and quality of screen makes a difference. People who've used the iPhone say it really is nice for watching video on in a way the old iPods never were.

lots of pubs have free wireless

Yeah, I know there are lots of free places, but I'm interested in the payable side of it. Also, some people say that using free open wireless leads your computer wide open to attack.

Talking about wireless, my netgear modem is crapping out of me ALL THE FUCKING TIME. How do I know if it's the modem or the provider. :-(

Many public-but-not-free wireless networks let you connect but then redirect any http requests to a welcome page. A lot of hotels work this way, and Starbucks does too, I believe. In hotels, you're usually asked for you name and room number, which are then checked with the hotel's booking database. In Starbucks you're asked to pay for time with a credit card. "The Mesh" in Brixton also does this (though I don't know if they still exist).

Many public-but-not-free wireless networks let you connect but then redirect any http requests to a welcome page.

Oh right - that's what I thought it should do, but the one I tried didn't. Thanks.

Unlike the iPhone, which is locked down at the carrier's request, third-party applications will not be restricted on the Touch

whaaaat? oh, that's fucking bollocks, surely. i mean, that'll kill the iPhone dead. won't it?

i get some BT roaming minutes nonsense with my broadband account, which i've not used yet 'cos -- like alba -- i rarely take my laptop out. however, it'd be bloody useful with the iPhone. the deal is basically that you get free access to consenting wireless providers; there seems to be a pretty long list of people on board. openzone, that's what it's called.

FYI, alba: the university across the road from our office has a wireless server called GCC public onto which i can log from my desk ;)

In Starbucks you're asked to pay for time with a credit card.

Ah, if it were only this simple. In the US, you're given the T-Mobile login page, meaning if you pay for their unlimited access plan you theoretically log in and it just works. Or you set up a new account, or do a one-time credit card payment.

In reality, if you're a cell customer and have a plan with unlimited access (they have an edge/802.11 unlimited plan), they at no time tell you what the hell to log in with and it is documented NOWHERE. It turns out that the username is your 10 digit phone number and the password is the last four digits of your social security number (wtf).

But back to the original point, I still wonder if this means that Starbucks has a separate router for iPod/iPhone crap, or if it's using the T-Mobile one, or what. If Apple has had to deal directly with T-Mobile for the wireless part, it might mean interesting things down the road.

This thread makes me want to get all Ted Kazinsky.

xpost back to own musings: also: we're not 100% sure who the UK carrier for the iPhone will be, are we? there were stories that O2 had got it, but AFAIK that's not yet been confirmed.

one thing's for sure: if it's orange, i won't be getting a fucking iPhone.

xpost: riiight; writing that from your fucking stone tablet, are you?

free wi-fi, what a world we live in.
who's down for some warchalking?

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I think the 02 thing is confirmed now.

hmmm.

So how large is the 160GB pod? And will it burn my skin?

Those who can't imagine anyone needing that much pod storage need to try harder to imagine me.

Well, "need", admittedly.

anyway, so yeah. i bought a new nano. they're pretty rad.

Tempted by the 160GB but it might be overkill.

Tempted by the 160GB but it might be overkill.

I have 2.5TB of encoded audio and video. 160GB is not overkill.

Quite honestly, Elvis, I honestly expected you to have *more* than that! But I'll give it a few days.

Elvis, you know there's a distinction between an attic, a wardrobe, a suitcase and a wallet.

Fuck this is a long thread. Without searching all the way through it. Would now be a good time to but a new iMac?

Well they just came out with new ones, so yeah - get a snazzy new one, or an old one at bargain rates.

Don't give me options! Are the new ones any good? I mean they look good, but I know nothing.

MY $100 8 GB IPHONE WILL BE DELIVERED WITHIN A FEW HOURS