The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

how about people stop hunting quail and get some new fuckin hobbies

what if we just traded them wiis for their guns

~problem solved~
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Holy shit guys slow down.

I don't think anyone's alluded to the possibility that, while there's overlap, people who own guns for hunting are not to be confused with people who own guns for self-defense.

alfred i don't think it would matter

why are we focusing on the people who own the guns and not the guns themselves

I know plenty of guys who use their rifles and shotguns between November and February for boar/deer hunting season and don't touch them the rest of the year.

alfred those ppl do not matter

their hobby is stupid

seems worth pointing out that being a hunter is statistically pretty unlikely so people shouldnt freak out so much

And they should be deprived of their hobby because a 9 year old girl died, obviously.

jeez u guys are pretty touching about hunting!!! have you considered knitting or something

knitting socks out of grouse feathers

If someone can prove that a gun saved two lives, then we get to keep them right?

You're still free as long as you think you want to do the things you're allowed to do.

or would it have to be two nine-year olds

And they should be deprived of their hobby because a 9 year old girl died, obviously.

― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 14:43 (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Assuming you're taking the piss but I agree with this for two reasons.

just have to prove that a gun can stop the boot of tyranny

lets not go down this particular road of snark guys

what else is there to do at this point

tragedy is inverse-square so..

if we got rid of hunting 2 generations down their grandkids wouldn't be like "damn there is something missing in my life, why am I not killing things..." plus they'd be playing halo 19 or whatever, which at that point will be scientifically, objectively more fun than hunting.

too hard to stop from sniping itt

Without hunting, what do we do when deer populations overwhelm their ecosystem's ability to sustain them?

deer are cool

halo 19 would probably be literal hunting, though.

i believe i pointed this out in another thread, but deer hunting is a literal necessity in this country - they're giant rats whose population can no longer be kept in check by diminished predator populations

xp

wait guys i shot competitive high power rifle while living in a metropolitan area, so i would like some help trying to figure out if i am in the midwestern dumbshit yokel hunter category or the psycho right-wing conceal carry future murderer one.

gbx, why isn't a distinction as to the type of firearm legit?

we grant some speech protection and other speech none? why not guns?

Where to park my howitzer?

the boot of deer tyranny

ive mentioned this on this thread before (and i think milo mentioned it more recently) but lots of the distinctions made between guns re:lethality are totally wrongheaded but sound comforting to people that dont really know much about firearms. xxpost

i believe i pointed this out in another thread, but deer hunting is a literal necessity in this country - they're giant rats whose population can no longer be kept in check by diminished predator populations

xp

― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 14:48 (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Eco-hunting isn't just about killing animals though. I know that with elephants you have to cull an entire family, otherwise the remaining members go on a big psycho rampage, so you can't just give a bloke a rifle and say 'cull elephants plz'. Dunno about deer but I assume there are also correct and incorrect ways to manage deer populations.

i suggested banning handguns on this very thread like 3 years ago and ppl were all, what about competitive handgun shooters, and that was the point at which i just threw up my hands and was like, whatever

anyway heart disease kills more people than anything else in the united states (25%) and even though cheeseburgers don't actually kill ppl instantaneously like bullets do, banning fast food would probably do more for the public good than banning guns. and like if you happen to eat big macs responsible who fucking cares, get a new food you fat fuck

xp hunt3r i'm actually willing to make distinctions, but max et al are arguing that we should ban guns, full stop

max sb'd guns 3 years ago and guns have yet to get 51'd -- how is this possible

i have nothing against hunters, but handguns are something else. apparently, this makes me unacceptable to either side of this debate.

I think there are lots of reasonable measure you can take that would fall short of banning guns outright. but people like to pretend that our current laws and the current system of selling guns is more than adequate to prevent abuse of the system. w/e

Also there's no accountability when you just give some bloke (e.g.) a rifle for the culling of deer numbers. Let's say that bloke also takes out a load of endangered animals that are crapping on his driveway.

trying to change the issue to be able cheeseburgers and cars is ridiculous - yeah we have to fix lots of other huge problems in our society! we should also get on that! that doesn't mean we should let crazy people buy machine guns!

be about

we don't have blokes in america so i think your post is irrelevant

like yeah I'd totally be down with only banning handguns and letting the high power competitive rifle shooters have at it or w/e. but then it makes it harder to resist the boot of tyranny oh no

i'm from around the bloke

as has been previously discussed iatee (and i) believe that everyone in america should move to new hampshire and cars should be outlawed--banning guns seems more feasible at this point so thats what im going for

How is it 'pretending' dayo? We don't live in a lawless society with gun violence on every street corner. What would be 'good enough' for you? What numbers are you looking for?

Also there's no accountability when you just give some bloke (e.g.) a rifle for the culling of deer numbers. Let's say that bloke also takes out a load of endangered animals that are crapping on his driveway.

― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yes there is

and I think comparing guns to other causes of death in america like cheeseburgers or cars or tobacco is fallacious because guns possess certain properties that those other things just don't. guns are designed to cause damage to other things. that is their only purpose. they are designed to do so in a way that doesn't damage the user of the gun. the damage done is potentially lethal. etc. etc.

btw I'm not sure 'fast food is worse' is on point itt