thread needs tombot
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
what does this even have to do with anything
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I smell a rat with that list. I would have expected Sth Africa to be well above Australia. Presuming that list is recorded gun ownership, as Australia's got pretty tight audits on that stuff and Sth Africa's is messy as hell.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Perhaps you're unaware that their restriction is part of the initial wave of modern gun control - and are found much more frequently in other 'more strict' countries (such as those now being discussed).― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:55 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
I'm not following you milo
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
lol my cousin is married to a dude who owns one of like 7 .50 caliber sniper rifles in the states.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:52 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark
i know this is your 'thing' max but could you not do it
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i still dont get what the point is
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
There are a ton of .50BMG in the US. A single-shot bolt action runs ~$2500, the military Barrett semi-auto will run you about $9k.― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:57 AM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark
I should clarify - one of 7 of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_HS_.50 allowed in the US
or so he told me, I know nothing about guns
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
As many people possess multiple weapons and many others possess none, this number is not a representation of the percentage of people who possess guns in each nation.
and so on
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
sweden makes it easy to buy silencers and the US doesnt and that demonstrates....
girls with dragon tattoos
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw all ex-military guys I know have been very very responsible in gun ownership. lol my cousin is married to a dude who owns one of like 7 .50 caliber sniper rifles in the states. O_o― dayo, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well yeah! because, you know, someone showed them how to use them. like i am totally down with mandatory training, licensing recert, etc. imo legislation like that would do more* to bring down gun deaths in the states than any wholesale ban on them
*"do more" in the "per Calorie of congressional exertion" sense.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
But in these countries we're talking about without the Wild West gun culture of the US (or whatever), they're widely available and their use is encouraged.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
why does everything need 2 have a 'point' - why cant he just bring up some interesting little factoids huh - u guys are way too aggro, my least fav kind of ilx discussion thread is where u guys are all like YEAH BRO?? YEAH BRO???? like bullying milo into thinking guns are bad is the fulcrum on which world peace rests - just chill out testosterbros
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
that seems logical considering that there seems to be less of a risk of getting assassinated there xp
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Those Steyrs are available here, too. I think that's the model someone got busted for selling to Iran a couple of years back?
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah gbx, I'm with you there - that's about as reasonable a compromise as can be hoped for in a country where the right to own guns is built into its foundational document
still doesn't stop me from thinking of guns as being totally fucking barbaric, get real dudes you're not traveling the oregon trail anymore
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
By someone I mean the manufacturer
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
'Silencers' are a bogeyman in the US, much like assault rifles and so on - oh, criminals use them to stay undetected, etc.. Getting one requires a great deal of ATF paperwork and a $200 tax stamp.But they generally don't even bring firearm noise down to a level that won't damage your hearing without protection, except for some .22s. They don't in any way silence a gun.But in these countries we're talking about without the Wild West gun culture of the US (or whatever), they're widely available and their use is encouraged.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 11:02 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
and this is relevant how
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
lol otm
xpost to dayo
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ur lucky i dont have a gun
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure it's relevant to a discussion of gun laws in Scandinavian countries and their gun cultures.
Yeeeeesh.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― Princess TamTam, Monday, January 10, 2011 11:02 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
sorry that you're being forced to read this thread at gunpoint, what if I were to tell you that by outlawing guns you would no longer be forced to read this thread at gunpoint, would that interest you
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
now ur tolkein
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
only outlaws will force you to read this thread at gunpoint
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
sweden makes it easy to buy silencers and the US doesnt and that demonstrates....― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
well it demonstrates that sweden has a more sane appraisal of how/why guns are used to kill ppl, probs. outlawing silencers is precisely the sorta law that seeks to score hollow political points (heyo) with a base w/o meaningfully effecting crime or w/e. the only ppl that are ~really~ going to want a silencer are gun nuts who want cool shit, professional criminals who need it for their job (and will get one anyway), and amateur criminals who want them to be badass (and then miss anything they shoot at). making it hard to get a silencer addresses a public health problem that literally doesn't exist (ppl getting iced by guns w/silencers at a rate higher than oh i don't know lightning strikes).
anyway, ad nauseum, but i will suggest again that maybe the reason that places like norway/switz/et al seem to manage their guns better is because their populations are.....well fed? not in desperate poverty? have access to state services that actually make their lives better?
xps oh whatever
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
how expensive is an illegal handgun? is the market price insensitive because if you need a gun, you need a gun?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:08 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
omg someone is talking sense
― call all destroyer, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i dont know i feel like people are arguing about totally different things on this thread--im not actually defending current gun control laws like "oh its a good thing silencers are outlawed"? i dont give a shit about silencers. i want to take guns away from all americans because we dont know how to use them properly.
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
ok max
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i think this is very otm. but only half of it. US culture just seems to worship guns.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Westerns and action movies would be so boring if everyone used silencers. Better to keep those things hard to get, for the sake of our entertainment industry.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i want to take guns away from all americans because we dont know how to use them properly.
― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
most of them do :/ also rifles are a legitimate tool of popular resistance and u would be neutering the inevitable uprising of the working class
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 10:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and i'm interested in talking about things that actually have a chance of happening, so we're both going to wind up disappointed
― call all destroyer, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
right, agreed that there is a definite cultural thing at work here. it's just that you guys are obsessed with the fringe elements of that culture (gun shows!! militias!! the oregon trail!!! the mentally ill!!!! lol at these rednecks!!!) and are totally willing to ignore, like, all these boring midwesterners that shoot grouse on the weekend and keep their shit under lock and key 24/7
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
no we're not
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
oddly enough by your definition it's the fringe elements that are the problem here
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
(I am not attacki8ng you gbx, just saying)
likewise the boring midwesterners don't have to give a shit about inner city shootings, cause, I mean, they don't live there
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
it just so happens though that those fringe elements like gun shows are how guns make their ways into areas w/ a high crime rate gbx
like I said above, as a comprormise I'm fine with responsible midwest dudes practicing responsible gun ownership! it's all the dudes who aren't, and trying to figure out why and what's going wrong w/ the current system that's enabling them, that's what I'm interested in
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
cause there are no inner cities in the midwest
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
forgot about minneapolis
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
iatee see the thing is that you have actually demonstrated, in this very thread, that you dont give a shit about ppl doing something you happen to dislike in a safe and responsible manner. whereas, this boring midwesterner that hunts on the weekend that doesn't give a shit about inner city shootings is something you have literally made up.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean i feel for the guys who shoot grouse on the weekend but someones gotta lose out, id rather it be them than 9-year-olds trying to meet congresswomen
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i shoot grouse in the inner city
― positive reflection is the key (harbl), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the point is that gun control laws as they exist now make it easy for the responsible gun owning midwesterner to buy guns, but it also makes it easy for people with less-noble-purposes than shooting quail to buy guns, and that's the problem
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
need a venn diagram of the midwestern grouse shooter/inner-city gangbanger/loan psycho and how they got access to their guns
― call all destroyer, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
scuse me "lone"
― call all destroyer, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i thought you really meant loan psycho! like a loan shark
― positive reflection is the key (harbl), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
right, sure! and i'm totally in favor of doing what is possible (and legal, we will not see any changes to the 2nd amendment in any of our lifetimes) to sew those loopholes up, tout de suite. i guess what i meant was not so much the substantive dangers that gun shows represent, but the easily clownable stereotypes they offer up for strawmanning. that is, the idea that "gun show culture" is somehow more culturally influential than it really is. i dunno maybe no one actually suggested that, i can't keep up
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link