fwiw there are countries with more guns and far easier access and they don't shoot each other nearly as much as Americans do
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:46 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what i get from this is "americans dont deserve guns"
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"People whose lives are negatively affected" is the same kind of argument conservatives make about giving victims/families more say in the criminal justice system. It's a terrible argument from them and from progressives/liberals.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
― Princess TamTam, Monday, January 10, 2011 10:46 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark
you talkin about sweden? norway? those are countries which also make their gun owners undergo rigorous training and teach a culture of responsibility
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
^ this is exactly why i don't care that much about banning guns, i just feel like milo's arguments are frustrating & gun violence makes me sadxp to tam
― positive reflection is the key (harbl), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
basically I don't think that gun crime or crime in general is driven by availability imo
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 13:46 (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, I know Switzerland is basically swimming with firearms and the incidence of violent crime there is low (xp dayo otm)
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah it does kinda show that americans shouldn't have guns because we are just too fucked up
lol teach a culture of responsibility ok man
tamtam: where? i buy that there are places w/way more guns, but i'm also guessing that those are places where the guns are held by, like, paramilitary orgs and that the avg dude on the street doesn't have any meaningful access
xp ah, i did not know that about scandos/swiss
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
damn yemenis own themselves some fuckin guns
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, so for the sake of argument (and deliberately leaving the US out of it for the moment) we have:
- countries with many guns and many violent crime (SA)- countries with few guns and few violent crime (AU)- countries with many guns and few violent crime (CH)- countries with few guns and many violent crime (???????????)
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah canks iirc all americans are made to undergo a mandatory one year stint in the military, just like in sweden
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
last one is England
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
tuomas is armed and dangerous
― fat sheets of rage (buzza), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I drive a car to dissuade others with cars from running me over. But it's OK, I took a safety course.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yah lets keep the violent crime/murder distinction clear
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
some Scandinavian countries encourage the use of suppressors ("silencers"), whereas getting one hear is a many-month process that's very expensive
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lol wait, did I say Sweden, I meant switzerland :/
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Man if that list was representative its saying 90% of americans have a gun
..I know it isnt true. but yike.
Australia's in the top 20, its worth noting.
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:52 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
what does this even have to do with anything
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus - Canada is 9th?!
xposts!
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
yeah canks iirc all americans are made to undergo a mandatory one year stint in the military, just like in sweden― dayo, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:51 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:51 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark
even tho my gut reaction is to balk, severely, at mandatory service, i can't help but think it would do the US a world of good in some ways
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
worked pretty well in starship troopers
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i thought it was well-known that canada was gun fucking central
Of violent crime?
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Surely due to it being hugely rural/bears n shit, skewing the gun req's? xpost
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Adam: no of that gun ownership per pop list
brazil's a good example for the low gun ownership, high gun crime rate
but comparing america to anything but a highly developed western country is pointless
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
hey - i spent Christmas morning sitting on a couch next to a fully stocked gun case, but 9th - i did not expect.
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
oh righto xp to trayce
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:53 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
fwiw all ex-military guys I know have been very very responsible in gun ownership. lol my cousin is married to a dude who owns one of like 7 .50 caliber sniper rifles in the states. O_o
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Heck that list says we hold more guns per capita than mexico or columbia o_0
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
thread needs tombot
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I smell a rat with that list. I would have expected Sth Africa to be well above Australia. Presuming that list is recorded gun ownership, as Australia's got pretty tight audits on that stuff and Sth Africa's is messy as hell.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Perhaps you're unaware that their restriction is part of the initial wave of modern gun control - and are found much more frequently in other 'more strict' countries (such as those now being discussed).― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:55 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
I'm not following you milo
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
lol my cousin is married to a dude who owns one of like 7 .50 caliber sniper rifles in the states.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:52 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark
i know this is your 'thing' max but could you not do it
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i still dont get what the point is
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
There are a ton of .50BMG in the US. A single-shot bolt action runs ~$2500, the military Barrett semi-auto will run you about $9k.― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:57 AM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark
I should clarify - one of 7 of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_HS_.50 allowed in the US
or so he told me, I know nothing about guns
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
As many people possess multiple weapons and many others possess none, this number is not a representation of the percentage of people who possess guns in each nation.
and so on
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
sweden makes it easy to buy silencers and the US doesnt and that demonstrates....
girls with dragon tattoos
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw all ex-military guys I know have been very very responsible in gun ownership. lol my cousin is married to a dude who owns one of like 7 .50 caliber sniper rifles in the states. O_o― dayo, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― dayo, Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well yeah! because, you know, someone showed them how to use them. like i am totally down with mandatory training, licensing recert, etc. imo legislation like that would do more* to bring down gun deaths in the states than any wholesale ban on them
*"do more" in the "per Calorie of congressional exertion" sense.
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
But in these countries we're talking about without the Wild West gun culture of the US (or whatever), they're widely available and their use is encouraged.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
why does everything need 2 have a 'point' - why cant he just bring up some interesting little factoids huh - u guys are way too aggro, my least fav kind of ilx discussion thread is where u guys are all like YEAH BRO?? YEAH BRO???? like bullying milo into thinking guns are bad is the fulcrum on which world peace rests - just chill out testosterbros
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link
that seems logical considering that there seems to be less of a risk of getting assassinated there xp
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Those Steyrs are available here, too. I think that's the model someone got busted for selling to Iran a couple of years back?
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link