^^^ yeah exactly. how many guns are (as you fukken bragged ITT) are not sold through retailers? like p sure that any book/article/report on the mexican drug war will point out that many of the weapons used by the cartels are purchased in america. so who iyo is selling these guns, if not 'gun-sellers'????
like lol @ ccw lol @ ur solipsistic persecution fantasyland 'need' to 'feel safe' by carting around a firearm if ur such a baby fine w/e have yr 20 guns and your scope-sight and yr cyanide-tipped bullets but the gun industry/nra's craven response to tightening up loopholes for even purchasing fukken WEAPONS that are fueling a blood-drenched war on yr southern border are just like gtfo
― ⊚ ⓪ ㉧ ☉ ๏ ʘ ◉ ◎ ⓞ Ⓞ (Lamp), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
and fwiw the dude who shot up the giffords rally apparently did so using a gun purchased from a retailer. good job at making sure he was mentally fit to own a gun, really have to hand it to the NICS
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
xpsAFAIK:straw purchases by people acting as fronts (which is a serious felony in itself)individual purchases in states where you don't have to go through a dealertheftguns smuggled into the country unrecorded
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Per NRA talking points, clearly the solution to several related problems is right under our noses: all poor inner city folks should be armed (and educated about gun safety, natch). Then watch murders and violent crime plummet! Because who would dare perpetrate a gun crime knowing the guy (or gal! or kid!) next to them may be armed and ready for self-defense?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
idk if this has been posted
Some members of the Capitol press corps took a 10-hour concealed handgun safety and shooting class this week – an exercise less about getting a weapon than getting into the Capitol.Visitors now must pass through metal detectors, virtually guaranteeing delays. But there's an express lane for people with a concealed handgun permit.The theory, apparently, is that people licensed to pack heat have undergone a thorough background check and can be waved right through.So in the name of journalism, reporters covering the Legislature who must get into Capitol daily – sometimes several times a day – took the weapons course Thursday.It took place outside of Austin at the hunting superstore Cabela's, a sort of saturnalia of stuffed animals, food dehydrators and camo gear.
Visitors now must pass through metal detectors, virtually guaranteeing delays. But there's an express lane for people with a concealed handgun permit.
The theory, apparently, is that people licensed to pack heat have undergone a thorough background check and can be waved right through.
So in the name of journalism, reporters covering the Legislature who must get into Capitol daily – sometimes several times a day – took the weapons course Thursday.
It took place outside of Austin at the hunting superstore Cabela's, a sort of saturnalia of stuffed animals, food dehydrators and camo gear.
/fuckyalli'mfromtexas
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i admit i am not following this thread but i am not sure how the fact that criminals obtain guns through non-legal means (duh!) supports a gun rights argument
― positive reflection is the key (harbl), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to milo
right, so how does vigorous background checks by NICS when purchasing from a retailer help with any of that, milo
pointing out that the illegal purchasing of guns is a felony doesn't prevent the illegal purchasing of guns, fwiw
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 13:15 (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dude I am 100% with you itt but the word 'apparently' leaves a hole big enough to drop a whale through.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ gun control stopping mexican drug cartels
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
milo didn't you just make the point earlier that you can easily buy guns in a private sale in texas
Lamp, you're incoherent so I'm just going to ignore you.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
its really not that hard to ban guns. you just... pass a law banning guns. grandfather in already-licensed owners if theyre going to be such whiners about it.
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Good luck confiscating 200 million guns in private hands.
I agree with this. I'm all for firearm amnesties but honestly if you're already outside the law you're not going to give up your weapon so.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39345370/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
More significant, ATF recently identified more than 90 percent of the 158 semi-automatic assault rifles seized in May at a “narco training camp” run by Los Zetas, one of the most ruthless of the Mexican cartels, as coming from the United States. Only 13 of the weapons came from Central America, one senior law enforcement official said.
... On March 29, the dealer had sold the assault rifles to a Mexican national who had worked at a Las Vegas area Jack in the Box. The buyer purchased them for cash under a phony name, using a doctored driver’s license borrowed from a former co worker at the restaurant, according to Tom Chittum, the resident agent in charge of ATF’s Las Vegas office. Just 38 days later, the same high-powered assault rifles were at the Zetas training camp in Higueras, Mexico, 70 miles south of the U.S. border, he said.
i bet all those guns flooding into mexico are making the ordinary citizens there much safer!!!!
― ⊚ ⓪ ㉧ ☉ ๏ ʘ ◉ ◎ ⓞ Ⓞ (Lamp), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
(and I do mean 'weapon' in that context xp)
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― max, Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
Please Don't Troll.
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
right, so how does vigorous background checks by NICS when purchasing from a retailer help with any of that, milopointing out that the illegal purchasing of guns is a felony doesn't prevent the illegal purchasing of guns, fwiw
How do you expect gun dealers to stop straw purchases? They already have to file an extra form that the ATF receives if they sell multiple guns to an individual in 5 or 7 days. (Formerly only handguns, now is going to be for rifles and handguns).
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
are the stockpilers generally the same people who are selling guns to criminals, or is it the people who are selling to the stockpilers?
No but I know of at least 3 instances where people I knew online who were stockpilers had their houses broken into and most/all of their guns were stolen by criminals.
protip: get a fucking gunsafe and lock it!
(god so many xposts!)
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
How do you expect gun dealers to stop straw purchases?
we don't...that's the point...
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I was responding to arguments that gun dealers are out on the street handing out guns to criminals.They have no control over who buys from them so long as the buyer meets the legal requirements.How do you expect gun dealers to stop straw purchases? They already have to file an extra form that the ATF receives if they sell multiple guns to an individual in 5 or 7 days. (Formerly only handguns, now is going to be for rifles and handguns).
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:23 AM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark
idk, by making it much harder for people to buy guns, by making gun training legal, by making them having to get recertified for their gun permits every couple of years...?
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
err not making gun training legal, by making gun training mandatory
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
What point is that?
Dayo, have states that require permits to simply own guns, waiting periods and magazine/AWB caps seen their crime rates drop precipitously compared to states where it's easier?
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
what the hell is the point of that rebuttal, milo? make gun control stricter in one state means people are just gonna hop the border and do it in another. make gun control a federal law and it becomes hard everywhere.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link
as long as you dont shoot me!!!
― ⊚ ⓪ ㉧ ☉ ๏ ʘ ◉ ◎ ⓞ Ⓞ (Lamp), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe the drug war isn't such a good idea.
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
wish he would xp
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
that we shouldn't be mass-producing and selling tools made for killing people when we have no way of realistically controlling then? xp
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
first gis result for 'awb':
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Flag-of-Afrikaner-AWB-21.png
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i am kinda pro-freedom but i've come to believe that guns are just so horrible they should not be manufactured anymore, iatee otm
― positive reflection is the key (harbl), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
what would antonin scalia say abt this thread
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Like borders? And untraceable firearms that will, with proper care, last forever?
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
he doesn't know how to use a computer ;_;
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess you and I have different ideas of what 'we do control them. quite well.' means
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
lol milo I have no idea how you are arguing that the gun trade is quite well regulated in this country when you yourself have attended gun shows which are a pretty giant fucking loophole
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i think there is some confusion about facts and opinions
― positive reflection is the key (harbl), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
is there much price differentiation across states? i suspect that all other things being equal, guns will figure more in crimes where it's cheaper/easier to get.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
What's the scale of gun presence in the US? Like do you get blokes patrolling the local supermarket toting an AK-47?
This is not a troll, I have no idea of the public presence of firearms there.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
am kinda crackin up at the idea of drive-by beatings
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
AA -- virtually nil
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I would wager that just about all gun control laws began their lives compromised within an inch of their usefulness. Ergo, I'm not sure the point debating current laws, because clearly they are ineffective if not outright disingenuous/dishonest in intent.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
you won't need to worry about those in liechtenstein xp
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
like in most places. i've seen guys in western states actually walking around with a gun on their waist, but that's like 2-3 of all of the people i've ever seen in my life. i also didn't care because they were just lolzy looking western ~dads~
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Sunday, January 9, 2011 9:27 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
stop talking about crime rates! no one gives a shit about crime rates. lets talk about murder rates.
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks gbx.
Fact is, people curled up in the corner at the thought of guns are about as rational as right-wingers freaking out about immigrant criminals and the coming Muslim invasion, tbh.
So why then do the people who freak out about immigrant criminals and the coming Muslim invasion not curl up in the corner at the thought of guns?
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a giant fucking loophole... that doesn't actually cause much harm. For having 200 million firearms in the country, very very few of them are ever used in crimes and we are all far more likely to die because of a car than a gun.― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 10:37 AM (18 seconds ago)
so clearly the way to get around this is to manufacture and sell even more guns, so we can make the number of guns used in crime rates go down even lower til it's even more 'statistically insignificant'
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I had a guy flash a gun at me because I honked at him, followed by his girlfriend punching him in the face for being a dipshit.
Other than that I don't think I've ever seen a gun (not on a cop's hip) outside of a store/range/house.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
how else are you gonna fight off the hordes of immigrant criminal muslims
― ullr saves (gbx), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
like, what if we just gave everybody in the US 10 guns? then there'd be over 3 billion guns in the US! and the percentage of those guns used in real crimes would be even lower! thus justifying gun ownership!
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a giant fucking loophole... that doesn't actually cause much harm. For having 200 million firearms in the country, very very few of them are ever used in crimes and we are all far more likely to die because of a car than a gun.
lol (turns on broken record) - that doesn't mean don't have to care less about people dying via gun violence, it just means we also need to focus a lot more on auto safety, which is an issue where we also do way worse than most developed countries. following your logic to its logical endpoint, the only thing we should care about is whatever the #1 cause of death is, tobacco I guess.
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
For having 200 million firearms in the country, very very few of them are ever used in crimes and we are all far more likely to die because of a car than a gun.
Sorry milo but I am sick to death of comparisons like this. (a) cars have at least one function that does not involve inflicting harm on people (b) saying something is more dangerous than guns does not support the cause for guns. I hear kitchen accidents are more common than car accidents, hey let's ban kitchens.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link