Didn't stop that Hoddle st dude eh?
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
iirc people who own guns are a lot more likely to shoot family members than bad guys
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― Ex Loin Tamer (Trayce), Monday, 10 January 2011 11:42 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah but people like that will get hold of a firearm one way or another, same with Martin Bryant.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i shot my cousin and his wifexpost
― fat sheets of rage (buzza), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
porn shoot or
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
popel shot
― fat sheets of rage (buzza), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Mass shootings do not "happen all the time."
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, January 10, 2011 4:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
rolling disgruntled shootings thread 2010
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
And it's also statistically accurate that i am more likely to get hit by a car. My point is that the chances of a non gun owner being shot by a stray bullet are extremely remote.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, January 10, 2011 4:46 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
spoken like a true midwesterner. just because it's statistically insignificant doesn't mean it's not a total fucking tragedy when it does happen.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow really thanks for opening my eyes
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw i think we should outlaw cars too
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
otm
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think iatee agrees with me there
loooooooool xp
haha
cars are just really big guns that can take you places
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
cars own, america owns
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry. I dunno about where you've lived before jjjusten but I grew up in inner city philly - stories about innocents getting caught in cross-fire were pretty much a standard thing. so it really rubs me wrong when ppl dismiss that fact of life as 'statistically insignificant - uh, sure, if you live in places that are not big cities.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I come from a quaint tiny burg called Minneapolis you've probably never heard of
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
er indoors used to carry sw0rds to d4nce gigs
Scottish or bellydance??
― Jesus Christ, the apple tree! (Laurel), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
latter
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ok so 'er indoors = mom, right? why
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
inner city philly
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
minneapolis, crime capital of the world
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
dayo don't you know that most gun owners are responsible and know what they're doing
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
minneapolis's statistically insignificant crimes weren't as tragic as inner city philly's because philly had more of them.
wait..
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
We do have problems occasionally with performance swords. Can't get them on Ellis Island, for example. Or to diplomatic events. But that's only in areas with heightened security.
― Jesus Christ, the apple tree! (Laurel), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that's exactly what dayo was saying kerm, good job
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
boyz2men vs hüskers amirite
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to Laurel: Ah okay. I think they still do it here as long as they're not caught, and as most gigs are in the n/w suburbs with adjoining parking there's not a police presence.
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 January 2011 12:10 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't know what that means
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― Kerm, Monday, January 10, 2011 9:12 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
no, just saying that okay if you look at america's population as a whole, getting caught in crossfire is 'statistically impossible' but that doesn't mean it's uniform. your chances sort of increase by a pretty large factor if you live in certain parts of the country, i.e. cities w/ high crime rates. look, I understand most of the pro-gun arguments being made itt, but trying to justify gun ownership using statistics is some bullshit imo. just because statistically only a small # of people are killed by drunk drivers each year doesn't make it any less of a noble cause to try and reduce the number of drunk driving deaths each year.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey maybe gun control advocates should look at where gun violence takes place and why, instead of ignoring poor minorities so they can demonize conservative white dudes.
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not a lot of poor minorities arguing for their right to bear arms
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, who's gonna top that? xp
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Gun control is all about demographics now?
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, 'instead of'? Like only one thing can be done at a time?
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm totally sympathetic to the argument that yeah, we should go after the root causes of violence in urban cities and that that would probably have a greater overall positive impact on reducing crime rates. but that doesn't change the fact that guns are pretty huge enablers to crime.
― dayo, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yo iatee i know we don't always see eye-to-eye on the politics threads but i just wanna say you've been my hero on these threads, in all seriousness
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
haha I hope I've convinced you that I'm not an undercover moderate by now
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw I would hate to live in a country in which violent crime is so prevalent that I would feel the need to carry a gun everywhere, wtf. Frequently O_O at the very concept that western democracies function like that.
― goldenarsehat.jpg (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
dayo: but guns are enabling violence where crime already exists. More guns don't just generate crime. Gun sales skyrocketed after Obama was elected because dudes expected him to start banning guns, and violent crime has continued to fall.
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
many xps - also willing to bet that "civilians caught in the crossfire" is statistically insignificant even in Philly
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw I would hate to live in a country in which violent crime is so prevalent that I would feel the need to carry a gun everyanywhere
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah a bunch of paranoid militia dudes buying their 6th and 7th guns didn't result in crime increases, crazy
― iatee, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
People feeling compelled to carry guns has little to do with reasonable analysis of the level of violent crime. Most of the people doing it are living in rural or suburban communities anyway.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
As I was going to gun shows all through that panic, it was people buying their first gun because they thought they wouldn't be able to, not Birchers stockpiling for the Apocalypse.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i think anecdotal evidence is def the way to go here
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Fairly sure British violent crime rate top those of the armed to the teeth US.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Exactly, tens of thousands of dudes buying hundreds of thousands of guns didn't result in crime increases.
― Kerm, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
But I can guarantee I was present for several thousand more gun sales than iatee was at the time.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 10 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"Gun sales skyrocketed after Obama was elected because dudes expected him to start banning guns"
are the stockpilers generally the same people who are selling guns to criminals, or is it the people who are selling to the stockpilers?i could see a weird freakonomics thing where vendors who would otherwise sell to criminals find themselves in a position where it's more profitable to sell to stockpilers,and therefore make it harder or more expensive for criminals to get ahold of guns.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Sunday, January 9, 2011 8:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dog... this is not really the issue
― max, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link